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WABC Radio ^ | 10-24-2005 | Aliveritas

Posted on 10/24/2005 11:49:49 AM PDT by AliVeritas

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Senate Intel Report Goes According to Anti-Bush Plan ^ | 7/12/04 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 07/12/2004 12:38:49 PM EDT by kattracks

A Senate Intelligence Committee report released Friday that concludes the Bush administration used false information on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to lead America into war follows a secret plan hatched by Committee Democrats last year to damage President Bush's reelection prospects.
"Most of the major key judgments" on the Iraqi weapons threat were "either overstated, or were not supported by the underlying intelligence reporting," the Committee report said. "A series of failures, particularly in analytic trade craft, led to the mischaracterization of intelligence." While Republican Committee Chairman Sen. Pat Roberts emphasized that the fault lie primarily with the CIA, ranking Democrat Sen. Jay Rockefeller did his best to turn the report into an indictment of the White House, claiming without evidence that Bush officials pressured the intelligence community.
Interviewed this weekend on "Meet the Press," for instance, the West Virginia Democrat complained, "Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc. - they were putting out these hair-raising, paralyzing, horrifying statements about what was going to happen, was about to come back to the homeland, the mushroom cloud. This is pressure, folks. This is pressure."
The report's conclusions were just what the doctor ordered for Democrats, who plotted last year to unleash as much damaging information as they could once the presidential campaign heated up.
"Our plan is as follows," a still unidentified staffer for Sen. Rockefeller wrote in a confidential memo obtained by radio host Sean Hannity in November.
"Pull the majority along as far as we can on issues that may lead to major new disclosures regarding improper or questionable conduct by administration officials."
The names of Bush officials cited by Sen. Rockefeller on "Meet the Press" were among those targeted in the document, which became known as "The Hannity Memo."
"The chairman [Roberts] has agreed to look at the activities of the office of the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, as well as Secretary Bolton's office at the State Department."
The Democrat memo continued:
"We may have already compiled all the public statements on Iraq made by senior administration officials. We will identify the most exaggerated claims. We will contrast them with the intelligence estimates that have since been declassified. Our additional views will also, among other things, castigate the majority for seeking to limit the scope of the inquiry."
The Hannity memo's summary section leaves no doubt about the Democratic plan to turn the Iraq intelligence controversy into a political weapon.
"We have an important role to play in revealing the misleading, if not flagrantly dishonest, methods and motives of senior administration officials who made the case for unilateral preemptive war," the anonymous Rockefeller strategist wrote.

"The approach outlined above seems to offer the best prospect for exposing the administration's dubious motives."
In more evidence that Sen. Roberts allowed his Democratic colleagues to control the investigative agenda, key weapons discoveries in Iraq were either downplayed or ignored in the Committee's report, including:
• The discovery of two tons of low enriched uranium at Saddam Hussein's massive al Tuwaitha nuclear weapons plant, which, according to U.S. scientists, could have been refined to make at leat one nuclear bomb.
• The discovery of hundreds of tons of unenriched uranium at the same location.
• More than a dozen artillary shells containing Sarin and mustard gas, uncovered in just the last month.
• 30 state-of-the-art Soviet-built fighter aircraft, found buried beneath the sand near Baghdad last July.
• A fleet of Iraqi al-Samoud II missiles with a range of 93 miles - far in excess of the range allowed under the first Gulf War cease fire agreement.
• A terrorist camp complete with a Boeing 707 fuselage where radical Islamists trained to hijack U.S. aircraft before Sept. 11.
• A list of suspects harbored by Iraq's government that reads like a Who's Who of global terrorism, including 1993 World Trade Center bomber Abdul Rahman Yasin, notorious Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal, Achille Lauro hijacker Abu Abbas and al Qaeda kingpin Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who was treated for leg injuries in a hostpital run by Saddam's son Uday.


21 posted on 10/24/2005 12:12:17 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: HelloooClareece

Go ask a question if you have time.

22 posted on 10/24/2005 12:12:27 PM PDT by doug from upland (David Kendall -- protecting the Clintons one lie at a time)
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To: All

Article he's referencing:

How about the Matthews or Russert calls?

23 posted on 10/24/2005 12:12:48 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Weldon Ops, Earle Fatwa Team, Pork Jihadi and MOOSEMUSS Don't Tread on Me!)
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To: All

He said Chucky... DRINK!

24 posted on 10/24/2005 12:13:16 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Weldon Ops, Earle Fatwa Team, Pork Jihadi and MOOSEMUSS Don't Tread on Me!)
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To: AliVeritas

What I really enjoy is the outpouring of angst before any reports or indictments are released/handed down ... Either the ship of state is imperiled with leaks sufficient to render it unseaworthy or the conjecture level has gone critical.

25 posted on 10/24/2005 12:13:54 PM PDT by sono (I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early. L Berra)
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To: doug from upland

I'm getting my friends to ask questions later, repost the link.

26 posted on 10/24/2005 12:14:19 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Weldon Ops, Earle Fatwa Team, Pork Jihadi and MOOSEMUSS Don't Tread on Me!)
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To: AliVeritas

LOL ... startin early eh?

27 posted on 10/24/2005 12:14:45 PM PDT by sono (I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early. L Berra)
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To: defconw

I will not post the thread. I will not post the thread.
I will not post the thread. I will not post the thread.
I will not post the thread. I will not post the thread.
I will not post the thread. I will not post the thread.

28 posted on 10/24/2005 12:16:05 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Weldon Ops, Earle Fatwa Team, Pork Jihadi and MOOSEMUSS Don't Tread on Me!)
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To: AliVeritas

SUSAN ESTRICH BEING EVISCERATED ON EBAY.....hopefully, damage is being done to Hillary.

29 posted on 10/24/2005 12:16:20 PM PDT by doug from upland (David Kendall -- protecting the Clintons one lie at a time)
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To: markedmannerf


30 posted on 10/24/2005 12:16:23 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Weldon Ops, Earle Fatwa Team, Pork Jihadi and MOOSEMUSS Don't Tread on Me!)
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To: RasterMaster; AliVeritas
Hi Raster!

I am fine now, I just scrolled down to see Ali had not omitted me on purpose...

Since it is Monday.. I choose to believe it...LOL :)

31 posted on 10/24/2005 12:16:31 PM PDT by Repub4bush ((Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade) Mark Levin for Kennedy's SCOTUS seat!)
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To: AliVeritas
was on the phone with a certain show host (if I tell, you must die)

I know and I'm not telling. Don't hurt me. I have some painting to finish, but I heard Sean's intro to the show and I fear I must listen for a while.

32 posted on 10/24/2005 12:17:14 PM PDT by Bahbah (Tony Schaffer is a hero)
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To: AliVeritas
Gosh, Ali. You're starting early!!!

I'm waiting for the Great One's show. There needs to be so many hours separation between shows for my liver to recover!

See you soon!

33 posted on 10/24/2005 12:18:06 PM PDT by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa !)
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To: doug from upland

It'd be a wonderful thing to have Juanita call in the next time Sean has Suzy Creamcheese on his show ... woohooo.

34 posted on 10/24/2005 12:18:10 PM PDT by sono (I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early. L Berra)
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To: sono

Re: Katrina and NOLA

" Corps documents and hydrodynamic models run through a Louisiana State University supercomputer -- are the work of three teams of engineers and forensic experts conducting separate probes. The investigations are shedding light not only on the cause of the failures but also the scale of the rebuilding effort: The discovery of major flaws in the design of the city's levees and floodwalls could add billions of dollars to the cost of New Orleans' recovery.

Investigators already have rejected the initial explanation offered by Corps officials in the hurricane's aftermath that massive storm surges had overtopped and overwhelmed floodwalls on the 17th Street and London Avenue canals on the north side of town. The new findings for the first time point to a human role in all three of the major floodwall failures that left about 100,000 homes underwater and caused most of Louisiana's approximately 1,000 hurricane deaths.

Experts now believe that Katrina was no stronger than a Category 3 storm when it roared into New Orleans, and Congress had directed the Corps to protect the city from just such a hurricane.

"This was not the Big One -- not even close," said Hassan Mashriqui, a storm surge expert at LSU's Hurricane Center. He said that Katrina would have caused some modest flooding and wind damage regardless, but that human errors turned "a problem into a catastrophe."

35 posted on 10/24/2005 12:20:21 PM PDT by sono (I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early. L Berra)
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To: sono

It'd be a wonderful thing to have Juanita call in the next time Sean has Suzy Creamcheese on his show ... woohooo.

That's my dream come true! Sean wouldn't ambush Estrich like that though. (Another Republican who is too nice to fight but hey....that's why I love em. And, come to think of it, why I can't stand them sometimes.)

36 posted on 10/24/2005 12:20:38 PM PDT by HelloooClareece (Anagram of New York Times....... Monkeys Write. (I Still have a water bucket))
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To: sono
The new findings for the first time point to a human role in all three of the major floodwall failures

Possible corruption? Substandard building materials and so on?

37 posted on 10/24/2005 12:22:55 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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To: AliVeritas

The leaks are coming from the Marxists / Arabists who make up a lot of the permanent bureaucracy at the CIA, the State Department, and other government agencies. They view themselves primarily as "citizens of the world" rather than primarily American citizens. The side with America's enemies and against our friends (like Israel). They are the enemy within.

Dear Laurie, "I saw you on FOX Friday [7/11/03] with John Gibson and noted what you said about what a former CIA agent told you in Fox's Green Room shortly after 9-11, just before you were to go on the air: "[We] can go to war [in Iraq] on the basis of WMD, but not on the basis of terrorism."

The enemy within is much more dangerous than the enemy without." ~ Matchett-PI Sunday, 7-13-2003

"Dear [Matchett-PI], Thanks very much for your exceedingly kind comments. And I'm most appreciative that you picked up that remark: You can go to war on the basis of the WMD, but not on the basis of terrorism.

That is why Bush has been unable to explain why we fought this war. You're absolutely right about the enemy within. " - Laurie Mylroie Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:52:30 -0400

Excerpted from my 7/15/03 thread, here:
"Free Republic is a great place--a lot of people read it." ~ Dr. Laurie Mylroie
Dr. Laurie Mylroie ^ | July 15, 2003 | Dr. Laurie Mylroie Posted on 07/16/2003 1:18:30 PM EDT by Matchett-PI

Bush vs The Beltway: How the CIA and the State Department Tried to Stop the War on Terror ^ | 7-29-03 | Laurie Mylroie Posted on 07/29/2003 12:31:38 PM EDT by Matchett-PI Just released today!

Bush vs. the Beltway : How the CIA and the State Department Tried to Stop the War on Terror (Hardcover)
by Laurie Mylroie

The truth behind the "mainstream media" story on Iraq, April 6, 2004
Reviewer: Thomas G Holt (Newburgh, NY United States) - See all my reviews
Laurie Milroie writes a very convincing book on the truth behind the conflict between the CIA and the White House. This is a very insightful book on what goes on behind the scenes in Washington.

The CIA and the State Dept had evidence of the complicity between Al Queada and Saddam Hussien. Laurie clearly details why the itelligence was not and is not still the Public knowledge norm for the war in Iraq.

It seems clear that the CIA to avoid embarrasment and for fear of losing power inside of Washington is continously discrediting such information to this day. Not only did the CIA endanger our national security before 9/11 it is till doing so in a power struugle in our intelligence community today.

Laurie also detail meetings between Iraqi intelligence and Muhammed Atta in the Chec Repuclic before the 9/11 attacks. The Checks still very much say this meeting took place. Yet this report is discredited by anoynomous leaks coming from sources inside the CIA.

Also very important links show how Iraqi intelligence altered records of terrorists in Kuwati intelligence files during their occupation of Kuwait during the first Gulf War. There same terrorists are the very ones behind attacks on the USS Cole, The First World Trade Center Bombing, The Sept 11 attacks. Laurie also sheds light on Saddams revenge tactics on Egypt for participation in the first Gulf War. Saddam was complicit in a major terrorist attack on the tourists at Luxor in 1997.

Saddam and his regimes evil is very much a subject of Ms Mylroies book which makes the most important humanitarian reason for the war in Iraq. Saddam was funneling money from the oil for food program and using it for his own weapons programs and funding of terrorist camps inside of Iraq. Which the main stream media refuses to admit Al Queada members trained in to hijack airplanes.

All this while his people starved. Or if you openly dissented you where killed or tortured, or your family was tortured in front of you. And the U.N. and the world community did nothing. Read this book. You will learn alot of the inner workings inside the beltway. And Praise G.W. Bush for fighting a just war in Iraq. Thank You Laurie Mylroie

Now out in paperback:
Laurie Mylroie on C-SPAN (Bush and the Beltway) ^ Posted on 12/25/2004 9:11:05 AM EST by leadpenny

She is emphasizing again that Saddam was deeply involved with those who planned the 9-11 attack. She also said that Tenet should not have received a medal and should have been fired long before he left the CIA.

2 posted on 12/25/2004 9:18:46 AM EST by leadpenny

From: "Laurie Mylroie"
Subject: Bush vs the Beltway--Paperback Release
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:42:39 -0400

For Immediate Release Contact: Lila Haber 212/207-7035

BUSH VS THE BELTWAY: The Inside Battle Over War In Iraq By Laurie Mylroie

"In face of the glibly-repeated slogan that America is 'in search of enemies,' Laurie Mylroie shows that many in our intelligence establishment are fatally unable to recognize an enemy even when they meet one. A caustic and spirited statement of the original case for regime change." --Christopher Hitchens

"This revealing and important book underscores the gravity of the threat that faced the country on 9/11 and the truly heroic nature of President Bush's decision to confront it, as well as the unbelievable (for many Americans) obstructionism of the bureaucracies. The phony furor over Iraq's weapons is merely the latest phase in the Washington bureaucratic war. Mylroie wants answers to hard questions--and so will you." --Richard Perle, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy

A key document in the ongoing policy debate...marshals a lot of persuasive evidence.” Booklist

Laurie Mylroie’s previous books on Iraq, The War Against America, and the #1 New York Times bestseller, Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf (co-authored with Judith Miller) made the persuasive case that Saddam Hussein’s regime had a long history of brutality and state sponsorship of terror.

Now in her latest book, BUSH VS THE BELTWAY: The Inside Battle Over War in Iraq (ReganBooks; on-sale August 2004; Trade Paperback; $14.95) she takes on the story behind the buildup to Operation Iraqi Freedom. Combining groundbreaking new research with an insider’s understanding of the workings of Washington, Mylroie describes how forces WITHIN the CIA and the State Department have conspired to falsely discredit crucial intelligence about Saddam Hussein’s regime, from his links to al Qaeda to his development of chemical, biological, and nuclear weaponry. She charges the bureaucrats of these agencies with cynical, self-serving behavior, designed to help them save face even at the expense of our national security.

Mylroie describes how major elements of the case against Iraq­from new information about the al-Qaeda terrorists’ links to Iraq, to potential Iraq involvement in the fall 2001 anthrax attacks­were suppressed or prematurely dismissed by the CIA and the State Department. She reveals how the very idea of state-sponsored terrorism had been pronounced dead after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing­thereby giving states like Iraq the perfect cover to carry out well-orchestrated terrorist acts without ever being detected.

In what will surely be seen as the controversial book of the decade, Mylroie asserts that:

the “peace and prosperity” created by the Clinton administration was in essence an “illusion” during which our government failed to recognize and handle the growing threat of Iraq’s arms build-up in the wake of the Gulf War, particularly its biological program. the “concept” of Islamic fanatical terrorist factions that are independent of any state backing is inaccurate and altogether false. all evidence points to a strong relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda operatives at a senior level, indicating that terrorist factions may, in fact, be a ruse to cover up Iraq’s agenda. on the afternoon of September 11th, Donald Rumsfeld gave the order to start looking at Iraq, as well as al Qaeda, and that plans for war with Iraq were already in the making as we attacked Afghanistan.

the CIA has time and time again used methods to divert the government from pursuing the al Qaeda-Iraq connection. the proposed centralization of intelligence may, in fact, be the worst scenario for keeping America alert to the deceptions of our enemies.

BUSH VS THE BELTWAY presents astonishing facts that will lead readers to re-examine their own perceptions of the war and wonder what else we don’t know.

In the chapter “Deception and Self-Deception,” Mylroie recounts the military tactics of deception and denial used by the U.S. and Britain during World War II to illustrate how similar tactics may be in place to convince us that al Qaeda operatives are not linked to Iraq.

This chapter alone will make readers want to brush up on historical military maneuvers in order to understand current politics. Together with Professor Robert Turner of the University of Virginia School of Law, who contributes an essay on the legality of the war­she demonstrates how only the unwavering vision of senior administration officials (President Bush first among them) broke through the roadblocks that stood in the way of liberating Iraq and defending America.

In what may be called the most up-to-date book on America’s past history with Iraq and terrorism, Mylroie succeeds in connecting each seemingly unrelated event in a way the media, and perhaps even the government, has failed to do.

Drawing on her own contacts with the Bush administration, as well as citing renowned journalists from publications such as The Wall Street Journal, New York Times and Washington Post as well as speeches made by Saddam Hussein and our country’s leaders, Mylroie puts forth a comprehensive and encompassing investigation of the facts surrounding our entanglement with Iraq that will make it impossible for readers to put BUSH VS THE BELTWAY down. This is the kind of book that will spark intergenerational discussions and debates about U.S. politics, historical events and future predictions for years to come.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR Laurie Mylroie is the author of The War Against America and the co-author with Judith Miller of Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf, a #1 New York Times bestseller. An adviser on Iraq to the 1992 presidential campaign of Bill Clinton, she is an adjunct fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and has taught at Harvard University and the U. S. Naval War College. Mylorie’s writing has appeared in the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Newsweek, and many other national periodicals.

BUSH VS THE BELTWAY The Inside Battle Over War in Iraq By Laurie Mylroie ReganBooks August 2004 Trade Paperback; $14.95 ISBN: 0060597267


I hold State Department, CIA, and FBI Clinton weasel SOBs like "Ms" Robin Raphel responsible for causing American deaths in Iraq, here in the USA, and everywhere else.

Here are the key excerpts from the WSJ article linked below that make the point:

"...The first step is to stop underestimating the nature of the threat. The CIA keeps telling U.S. officials that there is no "organized" resistance, as if it needs to find some headquarters in a basement to prove it."

"U.S. forces have at least gone back on offense against the Baathists, as in last week's attack on the convoy near Syria. U.S. regent L. Paul Bremer has also pursued a vigorous de-Baathification campaign.

This is a huge step forward from the early occupation, when State Department official Robin Raphel said it would be "fascistic" to purge too many Baathists.

In one episode reported by Mr. Tyler on May 8, Mr. Bayyati watched in horror as his former Baathist jailer walked past him to meet with Ms. Raphel."

"Disarming the Free Iraqi Forces after the war was a terrible mistake, another example of the State Department and CIA vendetta against Ahmed Chalabi."

There's also a message here for the U.S. political class: Saddam is counting on the media and politicians to continue their bureaucratic navel-gazing since the main fighting ended.

He wants them to re-parse every Pentagon word, and to interview every CIA analyst, to somehow show that liberating Iraq was a mistake. While the Beltway spins, he and his Baathists can plot their return.

Source: The War Isn't Over: The Baathists return. Is Saddam next? ^ | Friday, June 27, 2003 | By Wall Street Journal Editorial

19 posted on 06/29/2003 4:20:59 PM EDT by Matchett-PI (Marxist DemocRATS, Nader-Greens, and Religious KOOKS = a clear and present danger to our Freedoms.)

Paperback: 268 pages Publisher: Three Rivers Press; 1st ed edition (October 13, 1990)

illuminating account of historical importance, May 28, 2004
Reviewer: A reader
Everyone who wants to understand why the war in Iraq happened should read this book and think about it very carefully. Dr. Mylroie, trained as a political scientist, is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, the thinktank that has most influenced the George W. Bush administration. Miller wrote for the New York Times, with all the prestige that this brought to her byline. (As this review goes to press, she continues to work for the NYT, though for how much longer is anyone's guess).

Dr. Mylroie's later book, Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein's Unfinished War Against America (American Enterprise Institute Press, 2000)-- published in paperback as The War Against America (HarperCollins, 2001)-- was perhaps even more influential than this earlier co-production with Miller.

But by understanding the relationship and cooperation between the two writers-- Mylroie the expert and Miller the scribe, we get a full understanding ...

[]1990 pre-Desert Storm Look at Saddam, October 29, 2002
Reviewer: Maximillian Ben Hanan (Sacramento, California, USA) - See all my reviews
Saddam Hussein has become one of the most well-known figures in the Arab world. Unfortunately for him, it's because he's notorious. This little 1990 book (268 pages with intro, bibliography, appendixes, etc.) was published as an inexpensive trade paperback before the world's campaign to remove Saddam Hussein from Kuwait (1991).

While the book is very dated (12 years ago as of 2002), the information regarding Saddam Hussein's rise to power and the history of Iraq from its' creation by the British is still very valid. While I find it a little difficult to read about some of the things that Saddam Hussein had done, I feel much better informed about him and will be ready with facts next time his name comes up at the lunch table at work.

The book is divided into 11 helpful chapters that cover just about anything someone would want to know about Iraq and the events that eventually led to Desert Storm. It is a well- supported novel with several appendixes with maps, bibliographies, a Human Rights report, and other useful information. The authors are from The New York Times newspaper and Harvard University so it would be a good assumption that they don't hesitate to criticize President Bush's 1990 US government. While they criticize the government, I don't think they overdo it and I don't think they would upset a genuine US patriot.

Another good novel to read, in this vein, is "Saddam Hussein: A Political Biography" by Efraim Karsh.

CONCLUSION: A great inexpensive novel to learn more about Saddam Hussein and Iraq. Recommended.

38 posted on 10/24/2005 12:25:26 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: doug from upland

Did Susan Estrich have a face-lift?? I saw her on Fox the other night and wouldn't have recognized her, but her grating, nauseating voice was a dead giveaway!!

39 posted on 10/24/2005 12:25:28 PM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: All

Back to Plame ...

But personally, the most fascinating aspect of the Plame affair is the illustration of how information is used within Washington as a weapon, whether offensively to spread a story or defensively to discredit it; whether to build up the credibility of a source or to cast the gravest aspersions on its integrity. Whatever the power of a 2,000 lb smart bomb in the Outlands may be, it is as nothing beside the whispered word, the glimpsed memorandum, the indictment or the leak in Washington DC. That central fact almost determines the dramatis personae. The confluence of the media, intelligence agencies and partisan politics is not only unsurprising in that context, it is almost inevitable. Who else would be involved in the Plame affair except those whose jobs revolve around the processing of insider information?

40 posted on 10/24/2005 12:26:13 PM PDT by sono (I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early. L Berra)
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