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Times: Cheney First Disclosed CIA Official's Name
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| Monday, Oct. 24, 2005 10:24 p.m. EDT
Posted on 10/24/2005 9:05:41 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch
Cheney is ALLOWED to tell Libby about Plame, they both have security clearances.
And somehow I doubt that Libby wasn't smart enough to say what was in his own notes. Unless they got his notes from somewhere else.
If the notes actually said that Cheney/Libby talked about "getting" Wilson by outing his wife, they would have been out before the election -- no way the democrats wouldn't have leaked that to win.
It is almost as if the democrats are throwing out a dozen theories, each worse than the last, in the hopes that when Fitzgerald doesn't indict anybody, they can talk about all this evidence that was ignored. And, even though it was all speculation, people will remember it and treat is as true.
Just like people keep saying Wilson told the truth, that Bush lied in his 16 words, etc.
To: oceanview
"the MSM is going to have reached a new low. why would they go out on a limb with all these stories starting from late last week?"
It's what they are, it's what they do.
They don't care about the facts anymore, they're just pandering to the Progs who are still senseless enough to believe them.
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:20:54 PM PDT
by
decal
(Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
To: InvisibleChurch
Cheney apparently discovered details of Plame's CIA work after he questioned then CIA Director George J. Tenet about her husband, Ambassador Wilson. Ummm wouldn't that mean that the Plame name originally came from Tenet?
To: Bommer
Cheney revealed the name of a CIA agent to his assistant? So what? I'm assuming his assistant has a security clearance.
Could Cheney have revealed the name to President Bush? Or would that also be a crime in the view of the Slimes? Is the Vice President allowed to know the names of CIA agents? Sheesh.
To: InvisibleChurch
Well it's all guesswork but it looks like Rove isn't a target but Libby might be. If Libby lied then I can't defend him but if this thing is a goose chase about years old testimony then Fitzgerald is a joke.
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:23:59 PM PDT
by
byteback
To: oceanview
It's the agenda === bring down Bush, and barring that, just bash the administration relentlessly and hope voters believe enough of it to vote democrat in '06 elections.
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:24:16 PM PDT
by
onyx
((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
To: InvisibleChurch
This is nothing but bad for the White-house. The original defense was that this info was obtained from reporters. Now, a link is being established - Tenant, Cheney, to Libby and Rove.
If they had received the info from reporters, I could really see how they produce this info and could claim not knowing her CIA status. If her info came through formal channels, in my opinion, it is doubtful administration officials didn't know here status.
I have always despised this type of leaking of info and it should be prosecuted. That being said, the prosecution should be consistent; send a prosecutor out after all the senators who have been leaking classified info for years!!! There are many instances where top-secret intelligence capabilities were leaked by senators - these leaks had far reaching consequences that actually damaged US interests (I find the claim that leaking Plame's name had any actual harm to Us interests).
I want to Senators frog-marched out of the Capitol and put in jail where they belong!
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:24:58 PM PDT
by
al_again
To: oceanview
New lows are what the MSM does best.
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:25:19 PM PDT
by
hsalaw
To: InvisibleChurch
I have a question.
How does anyone know whether Valerie Wilson, or Valerie Plame is the real name of the woman in question? Couldn't her name be something else and we just wouldn't know?
If she was "covert" at any time, how do we know she is not covert now, under a different name? Or not?
This whole thing could be a giant diversion.
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:28:17 PM PDT
by
Lorianne
To: InvisibleChurch
Cheney apparently discovered details of Plame's CIA work after he questioned then CIA Director George J. Tenet about her husband, Ambassador Wilson. Soooo, Tenet was the source. Tenet telling Cheney would be no crime. Cheney telling Libby would be no crime. Crime, Crime who's got the crime?
To: oceanview
Of course it's NOISE!
Good grief...how can you ask the question, with a straight face? Just how young are you? The MSM has ALWAYS and EVER gone out on a limb, when they hate someone/s and are salivating at the prospect of bringing him/her/them down.
To: InvisibleChurch
Why has the Times launched a public attack on its own reporter, Judith Miller? Why did Miller's Times Editor, Abramson, refuse Miller permission to pursue the Wilson/Plame connection?
To: nopardons
its one thing to have a political bias on a story. this is a story that will have a definitive endgame - either there will be indictments, or there won't be.
To: stocksthatgoup
So isnt George Tenet the real culprit? Why? Tenent is supposed to provide Bush and Cheney with classified information. Presumably Libby has security clearance to receive information from Cheney. It breaks down when Libby gives classified information to Miller or others. Cheney's only liability here would be if he lied about telling Libby or if he was actually involved in a conspiracy with Libby to out Plame. Not likely.
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:36:38 PM PDT
by
Dave S
To: oceanview
So? Cheney has security clearance to possess that info, and so does Libby. Conversation between the two of them does not constitute any prohibited disclosure, unless others without clearance were present or were shown the Libby's notes later.
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:37:28 PM PDT
by
GSlob
To: GSlob
it has no merit factually, unless Cheney testified under oath to the contrary. on the spin side, the media will spin any indictment of Libby into a "he lied to cover for Cheney".
To: onyx
I'd venture to say that this is all part of the continual undermining of the Bush administration that's been going on since 2002.
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:40:53 PM PDT
by
BigSkyFreeper
("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
To: oceanview
Or a few indictments, or indictments of those NOT named and wished for, or, or, or...........
Again, this is all just so much NOISE; as is any factless discussion of it.
To: Mike Darancette
Soooo, Tenet was the source. Tenet telling Cheney would be no crime. Cheney telling Libby would be no crime.
You're rather conveniently leaving out the last link in the chain. Which is that Libby telling reporters might indeed be a crime. Libby lying to the grand jury by saying he didn't tell reporters might indeed be a crime as well. The mantra on FreeRepublic for weeks has been that Libby heard about Plame from reporters. This defense no longer appears operative. The White House will be extremely lucky if it gets out of this with only Libby indicted. Rove could end up being named as an unindicted co-conspirator on obstruction of justice if the prosecutor determines Rove also lied, but that a conviction on the charge would be difficult to get.
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:42:27 PM PDT
by
drjimmy
To: Mike Darancette
Tenet telling Cheney would be no crime. Cheney telling Libby would be no crime. Crime, Crime who's got the crime? Libby telling Miller or other reporters could be a crime. Lying about whether you did or did not tell somebody is a crime.
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posted on
10/24/2005 9:43:16 PM PDT
by
Dave S
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