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Thomas Sowell: "Us" or "Them"
Creator's Syndicate ^ | October 25, 2005 | Dr. Thomas Sowell

Posted on 10/25/2005 2:24:39 AM PDT by RWR8189

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1 posted on 10/25/2005 2:24:40 AM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

The man writes with a scalpel.


2 posted on 10/25/2005 2:29:14 AM PDT by Bahbah (Tony Schaffer is a hero)
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To: RWR8189
Boy, if this doesn't explain modern liberals, I don't know what does.

They deal in what they perceive to be moral absolutes - except that their absolutes are devoid of both morality and reality.

They support CAFE standards (which kill thousands) while bemoaning the loss of American lives in Iraq.

They are opposed to war unless their pet cause is involved (which typically has nothing to do with American national security).

And they preach about First Amendment rights while supporting McCain-Feingold.

They walk about in deliberate ignorance - the uncurable kind - while proclaiming us conservatives to be uninformed rubes. They'd be comical if their views weren't so friggin' dangerous.

3 posted on 10/25/2005 2:32:10 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Bahbah
The man writes with a scalpel.

That cuts like a chainsaw.

4 posted on 10/25/2005 2:32:43 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Bahbah
The man writes with a scalpel.

And he has razorsharp wits.

5 posted on 10/25/2005 2:37:00 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: RWR8189
Many crusades of the political left have been misunderstood by people who do not understand that these crusades are about establishing the identity and the superiority of the crusaders.
Truer words have rarely been spoken.

Back during the 1930s, in the years leading up to World War II, one of the fashionable self-indulgences of the left in Britain was to argue that the British should disarm "as an example to others" in order to serve the interests of peace.
One needn't go back to the 1930s to find this. One can look to the "nuclear freeze" movement of the 1980s. Or the violent pacifists of today.

 

6 posted on 10/25/2005 2:45:34 AM PDT by counterpunch (- SCOTUS interruptus - withdraw Miers before she blows it -)
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To: RWR8189; All
...In other words, it was not really about which policy would produce what results. It was about personal identification with lofty goals and kindred souls.

Dr. Sowell cuts to the quick with very few words.

7 posted on 10/25/2005 2:48:45 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)™...)
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To: RWR8189

I find this article by Sowell to be spot on, and if you step back, his analysis also applies the the current rift among conservatives.


8 posted on 10/25/2005 2:54:12 AM PDT by KMAJ2 (Freedom not defended is freedom relinquished, liberty not fought for is liberty lost.)
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To: ariamne; jan in Colorado; Former Dodger; Fred Nerks; USF

The eminent Dr. Thomas Sowell, articulating what many of us see in the blank stares of liberal idealogues.

A.A.C.


9 posted on 10/25/2005 2:59:20 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: RWR8189
"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves."

Sowell even quotes people better than anyone else.

10 posted on 10/25/2005 3:01:10 AM PDT by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: RWR8189
"trying to convince a Moslem to eat pork . . ."

LOL. When was the last time you saw "Moslem" instead of "Muslim?" For some reason "Muslim" is the PC version. I have no idea why that is but I'll bet Sowell does, so he writes "Moslem."

11 posted on 10/25/2005 3:06:56 AM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: backhoe

And with piercing insight.


12 posted on 10/25/2005 3:11:20 AM PDT by decimon
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To: RWR8189

BTTT


13 posted on 10/25/2005 3:13:49 AM PDT by aculeus
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Bookmark


14 posted on 10/25/2005 3:14:18 AM PDT by listenhillary (The MEDIA is NOT a branch of government)
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To: RWR8189

Great post!


15 posted on 10/25/2005 3:16:59 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: decimon
And with piercing insight.

He's one of the clearest thinkers ( and writers ) I've every run across- I just wish the larger public were more exposed to his work. He has a way of clearing the decks and framing whatever issue he's discussing in simple, stark terms.

16 posted on 10/25/2005 3:17:04 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)™...)
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To: backhoe

I rank Dr. Sowell right up there with Mark Steyn.


17 posted on 10/25/2005 3:21:45 AM PDT by Pusterfuss (Proud member: Minnesotans for Global Warming)
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To: PatrickHenry; Ichneumon

Well, this explains a lot...


18 posted on 10/25/2005 3:22:00 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: RWR8189; everyone
___ [insert favored crusade] ___ true believers don't think in terms of trade-offs and cost-benefit analysis.
There are things that are sacred to them. Trying to get them to compromise on those things would be like trying to convince a Moslem to eat pork, if it was only twice a week.

Compromise and tolerance are not the hallmarks of true believers.
What they believe in goes to the heart of what they are. As far as true believers are concerned, you are either one of Us or one of Them.

Many crusades of the political fringes have been misunderstood by people who do not understand that these crusades are about establishing the identity and the superiority of the crusaders.

They do not want to hear that our Constitution has set limits for political change. IE -- Our rights to life, liberty, or property shall not be infringed upon by true believers on 'crusades'..
19 posted on 10/25/2005 3:23:36 AM PDT by airborne502
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To: backhoe

I think the best description of Sowell's work is 'sobering'.


20 posted on 10/25/2005 3:30:08 AM PDT by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: counterpunch

Funny. For years, I was somewhat mystified over the actions and behavior of the left. I thought to myself, even a child can see this specific course of action is wrong. I came to realize they care nothing for the country - past, present, or future. It is just about them!


21 posted on 10/25/2005 3:32:41 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Pusterfuss
I rank Dr. Sowell right up there with Mark Steyn.

Yes, he's that good.

I became acquainted with Steyn way back when he was the movie reviewer and media critic for the old American Spectator, but he really shot up in my esteem around 1997 or '98, with an article in the WSJ titled "In defense of Tabloid Sleaze."

Naturally, it was about Little Big Fraud™ and his "can't keep it in his pants" scandals of the time.

22 posted on 10/25/2005 3:33:53 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)™...)
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To: RWR8189

BTTT


23 posted on 10/25/2005 3:35:26 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: johnny7
I think the best description of Sowell's work is 'sobering'.

He makes you think.

I also like Dr. Walter Williams, who makes a point of trying to educate his audience.

24 posted on 10/25/2005 3:36:20 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)™...)
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To: Pharmboy

Pharmboy wrote:

"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves."

Sowell even quotes people better than anyone else.






" -- The worst government is often the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression. -- "

H. L. Mencken


25 posted on 10/25/2005 3:36:31 AM PDT by airborne502
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To: counterpunch
Or the violent pacifists of today.

You might have something there. Maybe that's why today's pacifists are so violent -- verbally, physically, and in attitude.

They don't go bonkers b/c we are for (fill in the blank), but b/c they perceive our opposition to (fill in the blank) as an attack, first and foremost, against them. And that, in turn, spurs a kind of aristrocrtatic/"the anointed" outrage calvery-to-infantry sort of thing. And also, maybe, just maybe, in their heart of hearts, opposition may stir the fitfully slumbering genie of doubt.

26 posted on 10/25/2005 3:38:32 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Bahbah
The man writes with a scalpel.

He writes with the precision of a scalpel. Sometimes though I see or feel the impact of a more powerful tools or implements. Sowell is indeed a weapon of mass instruction.

27 posted on 10/25/2005 3:40:05 AM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: backhoe
He's one of the clearest thinkers ( and writers ) I've every run across- I just wish the larger public were more exposed to his work. He has a way of clearing the decks and framing whatever issue he's discussing in simple, stark terms.

I agree. "Why didn't I think of that?" is a common reaction to his writings.

28 posted on 10/25/2005 3:41:39 AM PDT by decimon
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To: RWR8189
Dr. Sowell is one of the best thinkers/writers in America and it's a shame, a tragedy and extraordinarily dangerous that liberals don't recognize his basic common sense. They will never realize that it's better to have Ronald Regan's peace through strength and be accused of having "lost all your idealism" than to be 6' under with one's "personal identification with lofty goals and kindred souls" intact. As a political philosophy, liberalism wins the Darwin award.
29 posted on 10/25/2005 3:47:55 AM PDT by GBA
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To: RWR8189
Tom Sowell is right, precise, and insightful -- par from him. He is wise as well as educated.

What he has described is a cult "belief" system (on the left) currently hiding under a political identity.

Recurrent over past 10 years? Whether or not churches should have their tax exempt status removed. Other argument: Whether religions CAN or CAN NOT speak politics.

What if a political identity group forms under such a "religious" filing? (and they have, and currently continue to do so.)

I know he sees where all this is heading. IMHO, of course.

30 posted on 10/25/2005 3:48:04 AM PDT by Alia
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To: decimon
"Why didn't I think of that?" is a common reaction to his writings.

One of the definitions I heard of "genius" many years ago was "the art of taking something hard or complex, and making it look easy." He does that, and does it very well.

31 posted on 10/25/2005 3:55:36 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)™...)
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To: RWR8189

Wow

BTTT


32 posted on 10/25/2005 4:03:46 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: RWR8189; Bahbah; dirtboy; counterpunch; backhoe; Pharmboy; airborne502; 7thson
Here is more "Environmentalism as Religion" in a speech by Michael Crichton.

http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote05.html
33 posted on 10/25/2005 4:08:49 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: 7thson
Funny. For years, I was somewhat mystified over the actions and behavior of the left. I thought to myself, even a child can see this specific course of action is wrong. I came to realize they care nothing for the country - past, present, or future. It is just about them!

It is almost a form of religious fanaticism with the left. (Some fanatics blow themselves up on buses others martyr themselves by voting for Howard Dean and Ted Kennedy.)

I had never thought of the aspect of self elevation, however. It makes sense, though, if you think about it.

In their view: If the government represents the people and you are the people and the government becomes more powerful, then you have become more powerful even though you have relinquished your individuality to the government.

34 posted on 10/25/2005 4:12:30 AM PDT by Gordon Pym
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To: Jacquerie

Thanks- I'll use that link.


35 posted on 10/25/2005 4:15:14 AM PDT by backhoe ("It's so easy to spend someone else's money." [My Dad, circa 1958])
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To: RWR8189
Now I understand. There will never be peace on men's terms.

Only Jesus christ will bring peace, and it will necessarily be preceeded by the destruction predicted in Revelation.

We are in for a very rough ride.

Be prepared: Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16

36 posted on 10/25/2005 4:31:58 AM PDT by millefleur (No KING but Jesus !)
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To: RWR8189

"...they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves."

....By dint of having first placed THEMSELVES at the center of the universe


You WILL serve Heaven or Hell, but you WILL NOT sit it out.


37 posted on 10/25/2005 4:53:57 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Bahbah

:-) He is a favorite. Would that he had been in charge of the Fed for the past 18 or so years instead of Alan Greenspan.

Alan Greenspan, who hiked up interest rates three hundred basis points in 2000. Yeah, that's brilliant.

Then after 9/11, he realized that he had to start lowering interest rates to get the economy going. And he raised it by how much? You guessed it. Three hundred basis points.

And who would throw things at the television set if anyone dared to say anything about the Fed that he didn't like.


38 posted on 10/25/2005 5:00:05 AM PDT by saveliberty (I did not break the feed. I may have lost it, but I did not break the feed.)
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To: saveliberty

Sort of off topic, but I saw Andrea Mitchell yesterday, and then later saw Greenspan when the Bernanke appointment was announced and I realized the truth again of how some couples come to resemble each other. I wonder how Andrea feels about that?


39 posted on 10/25/2005 5:08:06 AM PDT by Bahbah (Tony Schaffer is a hero)
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To: Bahbah

LOL! You are right! They do resemble each other!

Do you remember the fit that Mrs. Greenspan had when she was given a hard time in the Middle East (following Condi Rice)? But instead of giving the new Secretary of State her due for standing up for Mrs. Greenspan, we heard editorial commentary in news that it wasn't enough.


So the Greenspans are well suited, as both do not work well with others.


40 posted on 10/25/2005 5:13:50 AM PDT by saveliberty (I did not break the feed. I may have lost it, but I did not break the feed.)
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To: 7thson
I came to realize they care nothing for the country - past, present, or future. It is just about them!
Ding, ding, ding ... we have a winner!
41 posted on 10/25/2005 5:15:35 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Pusterfuss

And Dr. Walter Williams.


42 posted on 10/25/2005 5:20:10 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: oh8eleven; 7thson
Both of you touch on a quote that Thomas Sowell has cited not too long ago

Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm-- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.

-- T. S. Eliot3

43 posted on 10/25/2005 5:20:30 AM PDT by saveliberty (I did not break the feed. I may have lost it, but I did not break the feed.)
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To: Pusterfuss

Milton Friedman calls Professor Sowell a genius and I think he is right.


44 posted on 10/25/2005 5:27:08 AM PDT by saveliberty (I did not break the feed. I may have lost it, but I did not break the feed.)
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To: Junior
It would be interesting to reword this article to refer to the religious right (or left), disguise the author and see what kind of response it would get from the Left.

My guess is it would gain their support.
45 posted on 10/25/2005 5:27:36 AM PDT by LiberationIT
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To: RWR8189

The causes of the Left are their religion. That's why they display the same fanaticism as the Islamists in defending their goal of ruling the earth and having everyone else do what they say. That's why both these fanatic religions attack Christianity.


46 posted on 10/25/2005 5:34:31 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Junior; longshadow; VadeRetro; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; Condorman; King Prout; ...

Thanks for the ping to this. It's excellent.


47 posted on 10/25/2005 5:43:43 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: PatrickHenry

BUMP!


48 posted on 10/25/2005 7:07:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: RWR8189
>In other words, it was not really about which policy would produce what results. It was about personal identification with lofty goals and kindred souls.

The ostensible goal of peace was window-dressing. Ultimately it was not a question whether arming or disarming Britain was more likely to deter Hitler. It was a question of which policy would best establish the moral superiority of the anointed and solidify their identification with one another.<

Dr Sowell is one of the great conservative minds of our time.

49 posted on 10/25/2005 7:13:24 AM PDT by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: LiberationIT
My guess is it would gain their support.

Everyone sees themselves as enlightened and their opponents as rigid followers of doctrine.

The real difference is one of personality rather than ideology. Some folks just can't get inside a contrary opinion.

50 posted on 10/25/2005 7:13:37 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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