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Schools Scrap Religious Holidays (Hillsborough County FL)
Tampa Bay Online ^ | 10/26/05 | MARILYN BROWN

Posted on 10/26/2005 5:24:30 AM PDT by PogySailor

After weeks of delay and debate, the Hillsborough County School Board approved a 2006-07 calendar minus holidays for Yom Kippur, Good Friday or the Muslim holiday Eid Al-Fitr.

The 6-1 vote represents a major shift from scheduling days off on religious holidays, a practice School Board Attorney Tom Gonzalez on Tuesday said was wrong.

"A school board cannot recognize a religious holiday for the sole purpose of recognizing a religious holiday," Gonzalez said at a meeting packed with dozens of members of the Muslim community, some pleading to have no school on holidays for all religions.

So many people celebrate Christmas that businesses can't operate on that day, Gonzalez said. If large numbers of students and teachers are absent on other religious holidays, the district may opt to again make those days off, he said.

Only board member Jennifer Faliero voted against the new calendar, saying she checked with other lawyers and believes Good Friday is a secular holiday: "It is now about the Easter Bunny. ... They have taken religion out of it completely."

Ahmed Bedier, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, was among those not pleased with the vote. His plea in December for a day off in observance of Eid Al-Fitr, a holy day marking the end of Ramadan, led the board to reconsider its 2006-07 calendar.

When the board leaned instead toward giving students three secular holidays in exchange for eliminating Christian and Jewish holidays as days off, Beadier said he feared a backlash. In a news conference Tuesday, Bedier called the change "just an excuse to hide bias against the Muslims."

Bishop Chuck Leigh, president of the Florida Council of Churches, backed him, saying, "I think it's really petty on the part of the school board. ... Instead of giving them one holiday, they decided they're not going to give anybody anything."

The policy of excusing students with no penalty on their religious holidays will continue, board members stressed.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: islam
Last nights local news featured this story. Including a tidbit on the county providing the Muslims a place for evening prayer before the meeting.

Bishop Chuck Leigh, president of the Florida Council of Churches, backed him, saying, "I think it's really petty on the part of the school board. ... Instead of giving them one holiday, they decided they're not going to give anybody anything."

IMHO, one holiday would have been just the begining. CAIR would be back and demanding that more Islamic days be recognized. And how long until they started being "offended" (like by Piggy Banks in the U.K.) by Jewish and Christian holidays?

I think the council made the best of a bad situation, given the legal climate in this country. We had better start fighting for our culture because the elites are selling us out fast.

1 posted on 10/26/2005 5:24:30 AM PDT by PogySailor
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To: PogySailor
"A school board cannot recognize a religious holiday for the sole purpose of recognizing a religious holiday," Gonzalez said.....

Says who?

2 posted on 10/26/2005 5:25:51 AM PDT by Skooz ("Political Correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism" - Michelle Malkin)
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To: Skooz
"A school board cannot recognize a religious holiday for the sole purpose of recognizing a religious holiday," Gonzalez said.....

Well, I guess kids just need to go to school on Christmas, then... While every business and government agency in the nation has the day off.

3 posted on 10/26/2005 5:31:53 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Of course, I stated just the opposite.


4 posted on 10/26/2005 5:35:31 AM PDT by Skooz ("Political Correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism" - Michelle Malkin)
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To: PogySailor

What is left out is the fact that the board is instead giving everyone three generic religous holidays off to everyone.

That's right, you can declare that festivus is coming and your kid can't come to school and the school will say fine.

No tests or other important events will be scheduled on that school day.


5 posted on 10/26/2005 5:38:12 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: PogySailor

Has anyone else noticed that each Haloween it gets more and more difficult to find decorations representing ugly, old witches. Depictions of witches are now almost all uniformly young and pretty. Like all the feminists we know. Like the media's pictures of Hitlery for example.


6 posted on 10/26/2005 5:40:32 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus ("When it comes to a wife, give me a woman every time." - The Horse's Mouth)
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To: mc6809e

Believe it or not, the CAIR mouthpiece was spinning THAT as an attack on Muslims.


7 posted on 10/26/2005 5:40:43 AM PDT by PogySailor (Good luck to my son & buddies of the 1/11 Marines in Iraq. (TAD to the 3/1))
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To: PogySailor

The obvious choice for Christian parents is to keep their children out of school on Good Friday. Schools get paid by the state for each child in attendance. Christians can make their point in the only way school boards honor...by hitting them in the budget.


8 posted on 10/26/2005 5:45:07 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

There isn't much the media can do to make Hillary Clinton attractive. It would be a lost cause. The only thing they can do is make sure she's surrounded by beautiful people and hope that she's made beautiful by association.

But if I were one of those beautiful people, I'd be asking - "Do I have to stand next her? Her skin tone is clashing with my jacket."


9 posted on 10/26/2005 5:48:37 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: mc6809e

"We'll begin with The Airing of Grievances.. I GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH YOU PEOPLE!"

10 posted on 10/26/2005 5:53:17 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Next, the feats of strength.


11 posted on 10/26/2005 6:01:38 AM PDT by randita
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To: PogySailor

The point of including religious holidays as days off on the calendars of state schools is not to 'recognize the holiday' but to prevent compulsory education from turning in a law prohibitting the free exercise of religion.


12 posted on 10/26/2005 6:11:33 AM PDT by The_Reader_David
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To: nw_arizona_granny; Calpernia; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree

ping


13 posted on 10/26/2005 6:27:49 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
"Has anyone else noticed that each Haloween it gets more and more difficult to find decorations representing ugly, old witches. Depictions of witches are now almost all uniformly young and pretty. Like all the feminists we know. Like the media's pictures of Hitlery for example."

Try finding Christmas Nativity decorations! NOW those becoming more and more nonexistence! Hobby Lobby are the only ones who sell glass ball ornaments with the Nativity scene for christmas trees! And those sellout pretty fast as soon as they put them on display on the shelves!
14 posted on 10/26/2005 7:04:59 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: PogySailor
"CAIR would be back and demanding that more Islamic days be recognized."

That is their goal. Unfortunately, I must agree with you that they made the right decision - at least, temporarily. Now we need to start educating the public about the founder of the power-hungry ideology called "Islam."

15 posted on 10/26/2005 7:14:33 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: PogySailor
Gonzalez said at a meeting packed with dozens of members of the Muslim community...

Does this sound funny to anyone else? If "dozens" "packed" the meeting, then I assume there were only a dozen other or so. It sounds like there were a few voices of protest, but to make news, it had to be worded in such a way as to invoke something much larger...

16 posted on 10/26/2005 7:47:50 AM PDT by QuiMundus (Learn, Act, Educate, Repeat - http://www.smithism.com)
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To: Velveeta; All

From uhuh.com, this has the reasons for our school problems.

Communist Goals (1963)

Documention below


Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963



Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is
an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently
published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of
alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under
unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which
she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon
Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic
war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic
war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States
would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist
affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for
war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist
domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of
Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free
elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United
States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in
progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is
rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with
its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders
believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by
Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as
they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American
institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for
socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum.
Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or
organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments,
editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of
artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to
"eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute
shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to
promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them
"censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting
pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures,
radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal,
natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social"
religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual
maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the
schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of
church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate,
old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to
cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish
aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching
of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the
"big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the
Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over
any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs,
mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation
of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social
agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which
no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as
a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose
Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and
easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative
influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding
of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are
legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and
special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to
solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are
ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot
prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic
problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and
individuals alike.





Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not
be digitized and posted on the Internet.

It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal
repository. Call them and ask them.

Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent
source of government records.

Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than
happy to help you in this matter.



You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting
at this point.

Click here to see them listed with brain-challenging comments.


Documentation

Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library.
Sources are listed below.
The quote starts on page 259.


Microfilm:

California State University at San Jose
Clark Library, Government Floor
Phone (408)924-2770
Microfilm
Call Number:
J
11
.R5
Congressional Record, Vol. 109
88th Congress, 1st Session
Appendix Pages A1-A2842
Jan. 9-May 7, 1963
Reel 12


The book was found in the off campus stacks, was ordered and
checked. The quote below was checked against the original and is
correct. The few errors in the copy from the Congressional Record are
shown in [ ] .

The quote starts on page 259.

California State University at San Jose, Clark Library stacks call
number:
Naked Communist
HX
56
S55

Book title page:
Skousen, W. Cleon. Naked Communist
Salt Lake City, Utah: Ensign Publishing Co.
C. 1961 , 9th edition July 1961.



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17 posted on 10/26/2005 11:54:43 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (For better health, plant a few winter greens in a pot,put in a sunny window,Oriental greens do well)
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