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Miers withdraw plays into the hands of the Democrats
Senate Democratic Communications Center ^ | 10/27/05 | Senator Harry Reid

Posted on 10/27/2005 11:04:04 AM PDT by Tarnsman

Reid on Miers Withdrawal Thursday, October 27, 2005

Washington, D.C. – Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid released the following statement on Harriet Miers’ withdrawal of her nomination to the United States Supreme Court.

“The radical right wing of the Republican Party killed the Harriet Miers nomination. Apparently, Ms. Miers did not satisfy those who want to pack the Supreme Court with rigid ideologues.

“I had recommended that the President consider nominating Ms. Miers because I was impressed with her record of achievement as the managing partner of a major Texas law firm and the first woman president of the Texas Bar Association. In those roles she was a strong supporter of law firm diversity policies and a leader in promoting legal services for the poor. But these credentials are not good enough for the right wing: they want a nominee with a proven record of supporting their skewed goals.

“In choosing a replacement for Ms. Miers, President Bush should not reward the bad behavior of his right wing base. He should reject the demands of a few extremists and choose a justice who will protect the constitutional rights of all Americans.”


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To: OldFriend

OldFriend wrote: "Our side took the bat to the President's head."

No bat, we just disagreed with him. Just because he's "our man" doesn't mean we have to follow him in lockstep.


51 posted on 10/27/2005 11:31:23 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: pollyannaish

Oops, sorry. Have a cold and I coughed just as I hit the post button.

LOL.


52 posted on 10/27/2005 11:32:00 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Tarnsman
I had recommended that the President consider nominating Ms. Miers because I was impressed with her record of achievement

And yet the bots couldn't chug the kool aid fast enough.

53 posted on 10/27/2005 11:32:04 AM PDT by Huck (Miers Miers Miers Miers Miers--I'm mired in Miers.)
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To: Tarnsman
secure in the knowledge that you have given the Democrats a bat to beat over the head of the next nominee.

Right, because otherwise they were going to be so nice and congenial. LOL. You think like a Spanish voter.

54 posted on 10/27/2005 11:32:52 AM PDT by Huck (Miers Miers Miers Miers Miers--I'm mired in Miers.)
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To: CaptSkip
How do you spell "too-shea"?
From www.yourdictionary.com:
(Pronunciation Key)
tou·ché Listen: [ t-sh ]
interj.
Used to acknowledge a hit in fencing or a successful criticism or an effective point in argument.


[French, from past participle of toucher, to hit or wound in fencing, from Old French touchier, to touch ; see touch.]

55 posted on 10/27/2005 11:33:05 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All-

In salesmanship there are always sellers willing to drop their prices without even trying to compare on a features and functionality basis. This technique is called "selling scared" because the salesperson is afraid they are going to lose to someone else.

Same exact situation here. President Bush needs to understand that he won and was returned to office with over a MILLION votes more than his competitor. He needs to act on behalf of these loyal constituents and nominate a true conservative who won't legislate from the bench.

~ Blue Jays ~

56 posted on 10/27/2005 11:33:13 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: peyton randolph

Is this the quiet diplomacy that Bush feels will make things all better? Does doing the bidding of Harry Reid assuage the gang of fourteen and forestall the nuclear option? Is Bush trying to make friends, reach out to the other side and be the better man? or is he a patsy for peace like all the other appeasers that have driven the GOP into ground?


57 posted on 10/27/2005 11:33:27 AM PDT by i.l.e. (Tagline - this space for sale....)
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To: tractorman

"Sometimes I wonder who “W” is more afraid to fight, the jihad nutbags or the liberal nutbags."

He should start with the rightwing "nutbags" they seem to be the ones who are hurting his administration.


58 posted on 10/27/2005 11:34:24 AM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: Tarnsman

When I read this, I got a new image of Harry "Squint" Reid in my head -- that of the old-fashioned villain -- dressed head-to-toe in black, twirling his handlebar moustache, waiting for the train to run over the fair maiden tied to the railroad tracks!!


59 posted on 10/27/2005 11:35:16 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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Heck harry...
It was your enthusiastic endorsement of her in the beginning that made me wary of her.

If you were playing 'strategery', congregations... it worked.

If a nominee makes you have apoplexy, I'll know for certain that the right person was picked.


60 posted on 10/27/2005 11:35:22 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Tarnsman

"So give yourselves all a pat on the back, secure in the knowledge that you have given the Democrats a bat to beat over the head of the next nominee."

Not quite. Ms Meirs was an unexpected windfall for the Rat Party. They were ecstatic, but Schmuck Chumer doesn't sound too happy today. The Libs are going to beat up whoever gets nominated, we might as well get someone we like.

For conservatives, the Meirs nomination was the equivalent of being told all year that you are getting a pony for Christmas and instead just getting the saddle.


61 posted on 10/27/2005 11:36:09 AM PDT by BadAndy (Deep in enemy territory.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
I feel that Bush's next nomination will be filibustered.

So what if he is?

Republicans are split and the democrats will be able to use this issue for campaigning.

Oh no! Anything but campaigning! Run for the hills!

THE GANG OF SEVEN WILL STOP THE NEXT BUSH APPOINTMENT.

Be like the French! Surrender now, and avoid a fight! Once again the extreme right wing sinks the Republicans.

62 posted on 10/27/2005 11:36:40 AM PDT by Huck (Miers Miers Miers Miers Miers--I'm mired in Miers.)
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To: Tarnsman

If you like citing Reid, and Feinstein, you'll love this!

http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/jabber/jabberwocky.html


63 posted on 10/27/2005 11:39:17 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yes, and let the war games begin. Just don't forget we have the Nuke option on our side. This time pull the trigger. Amen.
64 posted on 10/27/2005 11:40:56 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Huck
Hi Huck-

"...You think like a Spanish voter..."


That is a hilarious observation you made above! Long time, no talk since our discussion about hunting bear last year...

There is no appeasing the cunning and vicious Democrats on this Supreme Court issue, so we might as well promote a true and fair judge who will remain Constitutionally honest. I don't mind if things don't always go my way, I just want the judge to adhere to the intentions of our brilliant Founding Fathers.

~ Blue Jays ~

65 posted on 10/27/2005 11:41:04 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Tarnsman


66 posted on 10/27/2005 11:42:01 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Antoninus

Reid snuck into the GOP headquarters and exchanged talking points?

It is curious they sound just like the Democrats. Correction: like the Democrats AND RINO's.

My feeling is "Bring it On". If they've got nothing but insults, then they've got nothing. Right now they are experiencing the same emotions the Liberals have been accustomed to. Being defeated by the strength of conservatives principles and ideas.


67 posted on 10/27/2005 11:45:02 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Tarnsman

"It's an astonishing spectacle. The unelected power-brokers of the far right have forced the withdrawal of President Bush's own Supreme Court nominee, before a confirmation hearing has even been held. President Bush's complete capitulation to the far-right interest groups is astounding. The ultra-right wing dominance of Republican Party politics is complete, and they have dealt a terrible blow to an already weakened President and his administration." ~ Ralph Neas


I don't want to be accused of using the democrats talking points, but this is exactly what happened.

The same thing has been happening to the Republicans in California for years. A small minority of far righters have pushed us out of politics and now the dems make the rules.


68 posted on 10/27/2005 11:45:53 AM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: Tarnsman

Tarnsman wrote: "like spoilt children who didn't get the pony they wanted for Christmas."

Look, this isn't a "pony," it's a SUPREME COURT NOMINATION. Nearly every radical change in the federal government over the last 50 years was accomplished by judicial decree. If we don't win the battle to restore the court to it's Constitutional bounds, we lose the war. It's as simple as that. A SCOTUS that follows the Constitution is in the best interests of all US citizens. Even the libs are better served by a court that follows the plain intent of the law. It may not be common knowledge, but there is a legal method of rewriting the Constitution. It's called an amendment.


69 posted on 10/27/2005 11:48:06 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Interesting Times

And exactly how will a "true" conservative ever get out of the Judiciary Committee? Much less the rest of the Senate?


70 posted on 10/27/2005 11:48:29 AM PDT by medscribe
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To: gakrak
While the games are going on, Sandra Day O'Connor will be on the bench for another term.

Guess that's the ultimate win, huh?

71 posted on 10/27/2005 11:51:16 AM PDT by OldFriend (G-D IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
Once again the extreme right wing sinks the Republicans.

You sure have your DNC talking points down pat. Nice work.
72 posted on 10/27/2005 11:51:54 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: OldFriend
Agree...
Hope it works out when the fight comes.

With 55/45 majority we only have to lose 6 votes in a tight race. Three of these are as good as gone if Bush nominates a strong conservative, Snow, Collins, and Chaffee. Based on past performance DeWine is also iffy. That leave 2... McCain is always good for a surprise. Specter is unpredictable. Graham jumped with both feet into the gang of 14 so he is suspect and there could always be a vengeful, resenter to vote out of spite (Lott).

Yes sir... we could have a good fight and get a worse defeat that Miers...
73 posted on 10/27/2005 11:52:30 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: Blue Jays
Hey Blue jays,

Good to hear from you. Let's hope we get a better pick this time! I'm glad those of us opposed to the Miers pick won the day.

74 posted on 10/27/2005 11:56:53 AM PDT by Huck (Miers Miers Miers Miers Miers--I'm mired in Miers.)
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To: Antoninus

That is interesting and it is something I had observed earlier but had refrained from pointing out for fear of being flamed by some overheated idiot.

Thanks for making the point!


75 posted on 10/27/2005 11:56:54 AM PDT by Pylot
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To: Tarnsman
My complaint is that there had to be a better way than jumping up and down, beating our chests and tearing out our hair like spoilt children who didn't get the pony they wanted for Christmas

What you described never happened. Get over it.
76 posted on 10/27/2005 11:57:19 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Tarnsman

I got in to a fistfight with a democrat today. I was so outclassed. He hurt my hands by throwing his face into my fists. And to add insult to injury, he taunted me by stateing the similarities of my butt and his face.


77 posted on 10/27/2005 11:59:49 AM PDT by phugg
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To: Tarnsman

who cares. you talk as if Miers was some superstar with a 90% approval rating amongst the american public - like Oprah Winfrey. so the conservatives took her down, the sheeple don't care, most of them don't even know who she is.


78 posted on 10/27/2005 12:00:15 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: jveritas
I am sure that John Ashcroft would fit right in.
79 posted on 10/27/2005 12:00:56 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub.)
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To: Huck

Where is Bush going to find the support in the Senate for a Conservative Judge? There are roughly 40-45 "bush-bots" who will support a conservative... it's not enough!

With the extreme rightwing and the Democrats teaming up Miers didn't stand a chance. Now we will be fighting a losing battle. It's a battle that the pencil pushers wanted so they can sell books and newspapers. The pundit will win either way now.

It sad but this issue has weaken the Republican majority. It is now consider to be an insult to be a Bush supporter... We are called names like "bushbots" and are being driven off this board. Too bad.


80 posted on 10/27/2005 12:01:11 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: RedEyeJack

"Yes sir... we could have a good fight and get a worse defeat that Miers..."

You forget that we will likely pick up some Rat Senators support making defeat less likely. A conservative nominee will be won by persuasion and argument, not by slight of hand or slinking from the fight. If we lose, it will have been in a noble effort for a good cause, and then we can nominate some other conservative.


81 posted on 10/27/2005 12:01:53 PM PDT by BadAndy (Deep in enemy territory.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

JeffersonRepublic.com wrote: "The same thing has been happening to the Republicans in California for years. A small minority of far righters have pushed us out of politics and now the dems make the rules."

California is dominated by the big liberal cities, like L.A.. Look at an electorial map and you'll see most of the rest of California is Republican. However, the Dems ARE the majority in California, and the Republicans won't be Republican if they simply adopt the Dem platform in a contemptible attempt to win. It's better to stand up for what's right until a majority of Californians see the error of their ways.


82 posted on 10/27/2005 12:02:52 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: medscribe
And exactly how will a "true" conservative ever get out of the Judiciary Committee? Much less the rest of the Senate?

Watch, and learn.

83 posted on 10/27/2005 12:03:55 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

you won't see a Luttig or Rogers-Brown. but there is a thread running now with a list of possible candidates - plenty of women candidates who are not "flash points", yet have solid judicial records nonetheless. let's see McCain lead the charge to vote one of them down, and then campaign for president in 2008.


84 posted on 10/27/2005 12:05:19 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Tarnsman

And now, like it or not, we're going to have a showdown.

Watch out for the flying bullets from the pundits, reporters and bloggers!! [grin!]

85 posted on 10/27/2005 12:07:04 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior (You can't tell how good a man or a watermelon is 'til they get thumped. Character shows when tested)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
Where is Bush going to find the support in the Senate for a Conservative Judge?

We won't know until he nominates one. But from your question, can I infer that you think Roberts is less than conservative?

With the extreme rightwing and the Democrats teaming up Miers didn't stand a chance.

What are you? Harry Reid? "Extreme right wing?" Give me a break. Anyone who is not an originalist is not a conservative. Period. There's nothing extreme about it. Either the words mean what they say, or they don't. No grey allowed.

Now we will be fighting a losing battle.

The pro-Miers crowd sounds very, very French.

It sad but this issue has weaken the Republican majority. It is now consider to be an insult to be a Bush supporter... We are called names like "bushbots" and are being driven off this board. Too bad.

That's because this isn't a Republican forum. It's a conservative forum. You don't support the personality or the party, you support the ideas. In this case, supporting conservatism meant bucking the president, which we successfully did. It's a very happy day. At least now we have hope.

86 posted on 10/27/2005 12:07:04 PM PDT by Huck (Yipee! We won the day. The fight for the court goes on!)
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To: RedEyeJack

Might as well just give up then. Hell, let's just give the Democrats the next pick and be done with it. Oh wait, that's what we did on THIS pick! Miers was Harry Ried's idea!


87 posted on 10/27/2005 12:08:17 PM PDT by Huck (Yipee! We won the day. The fight for the court goes on!)
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To: Interesting Times

Yes, like we "watched and learned" with the Gang of 14 fiasco?! Any conservative moonbat who really thinks that Dubya is now going to nominate a choice that they would approve is delusional. Be careful what you ask for, because now that Miers has withdrawn, Dubya will go even more moderate with his next choice. The conservatives have no idea how much they have damaged themselves with this debacle.


88 posted on 10/27/2005 12:08:34 PM PDT by medscribe
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To: Interesting Times

don't know if this is true, but my son just came home from school and said that the 9th Circus has decided that the Pledge is unconstitutional. If he's right--that will drum up tons of support for a conservative--even from the mushy middle.


89 posted on 10/27/2005 12:10:10 PM PDT by born in the Bronx
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

JeffersonRepublic.com wrote: "We are called names like "bushbots" and are being driven off this board. Too bad."

No one has asked you to leave this board, and how can you possibly be "driven" off? We can debate the issues without resorting to personal attacks. I hadn't thought about it before, but the term "Bushbot" does imply you are unable to make up your own mind on the issues. My apologies if I've used it against you.


90 posted on 10/27/2005 12:10:29 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Tarnsman

Aye, fight and you may die, run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take away our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

William Wallace

91 posted on 10/27/2005 12:11:03 PM PDT by austinite
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To: medscribe
Be careful what you ask for, because now that Miers has withdrawn, Dubya will go even more moderate with his next choice. The conservatives have no idea how much they have damaged themselves with this debacle.

I would guess that is very accurate. And no matter how moderate the judge is... the dem talking points that will be pounded, and pounded, a repeated, and repeated are "the president has bowed to the radical right wing of the party and nominated this ultra conservative judge who is not in the mainstream of american values"

92 posted on 10/27/2005 12:13:04 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: Tarnsman
“In choosing a replacement for Ms. Miers, President Bush should not reward the bad behavior of his right wing base. He should reject the demands of a few extremists and choose a justice who will protect the constitutional rights of all Americans.”

I just love it when the scumbags act not only like they're in charge, but that their warnings and threats are because they have the best interests of Republicans at heart.

93 posted on 10/27/2005 12:13:19 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: CaptSkip
How do you spell "too-shea"?

**************

Touché

94 posted on 10/27/2005 12:15:42 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sister_T
Like I said on the other thread, I didn't know where to stand on this nominee but given that Democrats are squealing so much about it, I have to wonder if this nominee would have been another David Souter.

Check out post #19 and the quotes therein. The people who are squealing about this are doing so because it is of political benefit to them. Groups are squealing that didn't even support her in the first place. They're playing the "fringe wackos have taken over" card. It's completely disingenuous, but we've let them do it.

95 posted on 10/27/2005 12:20:34 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Tarnsman
They are RUNNING SCARED!!!!!!

And it's a sight to watch!

96 posted on 10/27/2005 12:23:49 PM PDT by jdhljc169
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To: oceanview
Rogers-Brown would have been the best choice instead of Miers unfortunately I think we lost that opportunity.
97 posted on 10/27/2005 12:25:23 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: Tarnsman
Miers would have been a great conservative. It's going to be tough now. The Dems are licking their chops, the MSM have their cameras set up on the sidewalks of the nominees the right-wing wants, ready to attack.

Oh, boy...lots and lots of fun. Not. Ugh. Dreary.

98 posted on 10/27/2005 12:30:30 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: CitizenUSA

"It's better to stand up for what's right until a majority of Californians see the error of their ways."

Spoken like someone who doesn't live here. "We'll let the other side destroy the state first, THEN the people will wake up." Madness, utter madness. It's this madness of the "all or nothing" crowd that has turned off the indepedents and moderates in this state and has transformed a once reliable Republican state into one where the socalists rule the roost in Sacramento. The Democrats have run the state off the rails, and yet NOT A SINGLE ONE lost their Assembly or State Senate seats in last year's election. NOT ONE. 121 billion dollars in structural debt. The state is facing a six billion dollar deficit in NEXT YEAR's budget. And that's before the Soclalists begin toying with it. The Republicans in the Assembly and State Senate are powerless to do anything to stop them, such is the Democrat's majority. A couple of more seats in the Assembly and State Senate and they will be pass the last check on their power: the 2/3rds requirements for new taxes. Thank goodness for the Governator (fewest bills signed since Reagan's first term as Governor, more vetoes than Jerry Brown in eight), otherwise things here would be much, much worse. The "all or nothing" crowd has cost the Republicans California, and now they are about to do the same with the SCOTUS.


99 posted on 10/27/2005 12:30:42 PM PDT by Tarnsman (BIG Recall question)
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To: medscribe
Yes, like we "watched and learned" with the Gang of 14 fiasco?! Any conservative moonbat who really thinks that Dubya is now going to nominate a choice that they would approve is delusional. Be careful what you ask for, because now that Miers has withdrawn, Dubya will go even more moderate with his next choice. The conservatives have no idea how much they have damaged themselves with this debacle.

Somehow I doubt that Bush is going with a less conservative pick than Miers in the face of fanged opposition from most of his base. Bush promised a Scalia or a Thomas; now it's time to deliver.

As for the rest, I can only say: "Trust the Turtle."

100 posted on 10/27/2005 12:39:27 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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