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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. ” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstance can they be approved.

Considerations Regarding Proposals To Give Legal Recognition To UNIONS
BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS


1 posted on 10/27/2005 1:31:05 PM PDT by Coleus
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I don't get it


2 posted on 10/27/2005 1:32:01 PM PDT by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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He'll lose, universities always win theese sorts of fights.


3 posted on 10/27/2005 1:33:28 PM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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He could have had fun with the paper. I mean if you're getting the boot anyway.


4 posted on 10/27/2005 1:34:32 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Coleus

This is ridiculous.... he could have called them much worse...not allowed here on FR


5 posted on 10/27/2005 1:36:05 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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"Subhuman" was a poor choice of words. To say that the conduct is wrong or disordered is fine, but "subhuman" introduces all kinds of Nazi implications, or NARAL implications if you prefer. No class of human beings is subhuman, unless you use the term loosely, which is dangerous.

That said, he is surely within his first-amendment rights. No university, still less a Catholic university, should handle the matter this way.


6 posted on 10/27/2005 1:36:57 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Homosexuality, though personally abhorent to me (and to God) is NOT "subhuman".

No other animal species that I know of exhibits this type of deviant behavior, unless you count those Sweedish penguins - one of whom eventually went straight.


7 posted on 10/27/2005 1:37:20 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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Contact... FIRE


8 posted on 10/27/2005 1:37:43 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The answers are out there; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions)
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Sub-human? It's sub-simian.


10 posted on 10/27/2005 1:38:20 PM PDT by Keli Kilohana (Editor, ZARR CHASM CHRONICAL [sic], Sore, WV)
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Duquesne is a Catholic University. Were it a public University, the student would have a case. But any private university has the right to arbitrarily decide who can and cannot be students. For the same reason the Boy Scouts have the ight to arbitrarily decide who can and cannot be members.
13 posted on 10/27/2005 1:40:25 PM PDT by sourcery (Givernment: The way the average voter spells "government.")
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Charles J. Dougherty, Ph.D.
Duquesne University President
president@duq.edu

Duquesne University
600 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15282
Phone: (412) 396-6000
Toll Free: (800) 456-0590
http://www.administration.duq.edu/cabGen.html


17 posted on 10/27/2005 1:43:36 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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He is in trouble because of an online, non-school, website? So I guess the school could kick him out for attending a Catholic or evangelical church.


26 posted on 10/27/2005 1:51:59 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Dan Rather - guilty until proved innocent)
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Maybe it would have been better if he had stated that a person who engages in homosexual acts is sure to get a reservation at the Eternal Lake of Burning Hellfire Resort and Spa. I am sure it is listed on Expedia, Hotwire and Priceline.


29 posted on 10/27/2005 1:54:09 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama ("Good? Bad? I'm the one with the gun." Ash Williams, "Army of Darkness")
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The study focuses on ten of the largest Catholic universities based on undergraduate enrollment. They include Boston College (employees reportedly gave $17,000 to Kerry and none to Bush), DePaul University (Kerry $7,950, Bush $250), Duquesne University (Kerry $1,350, Bush $200), Fordham University (Kerry $19,460, Bush $4,000), Loyola University of Chicago (Kerry $6,300, Bush $700), Marquette University (Kerry $1,200, Bush $1,200), St. John’s University of New York (Kerry $2,750, Bush $750), St. Louis University (Kerry $7,750, Bush $3,500) and the University of Notre Dame (Kerry $15,350, Bush $3,600).

William Presutti, associate dean of Duquesne University’s Graduate School of Business ($250 to Kerry);

Marian Wright Edelman, president, Children's Defense Fund; CDF promotes school health clinics that emphasize contraceptive services and abortion; Duquesne University in Pittsburgh.


37 posted on 10/27/2005 1:59:46 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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subhuman not right - but ...

Perverted
deviant
abnormal
substandard
falting
disordered
etc - all correct

homosexuals cannot propagate their own species therefore they are a deviant, abnormal, substandard form of life.

For the leftist darwinian evolutionists that should be obvious.


40 posted on 10/27/2005 2:01:37 PM PDT by soltice
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Write a paper stating 'homos are sick' for ten pages. Single spaced!


41 posted on 10/27/2005 2:03:51 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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Write and complain to:

Office of Judicial Affairs (Dubuque University) at this address (from that article)...

http://www.studentlife.duq.edu/depJA.html

Dubuque has no place as a Catholic university organizing or hosting any such "Gay-Straight Alliance" group or otherwise interests, particularly and especially since the issue of homosexuality is defined as it is within Catholicism (and the Bible).

Also, the student's comments were written outside of the school's academic influence -- how the school is intruding into this person's actions given that important issue is beyond me (unless there was some sort of "academic dishonesty" involved as to the guy's character but I don't see from the article that there was, just that the school disagrees with the guy's choice of words).

"Sub-human" as expression seems like the age-appropriate language of someone trying to express civilized dismissal of entirely unacceptable behavior. The guy isn't a forty year old doctorate, he's an undergraduate young adult using words available to his level of knowledge...I don't find it as offensive as the school's alleging it is when considering the writer's age and academic level, nor given the non-academic venue on which the expression was made.

For what it's worth, all things considered, I agree that the fellow, the student, has been wronged and that the school is working entirely outside it's scope of responsibility, AND is otherwise also engaged in actions that do not represent a respect or acknowledgement for the Catholic Catechism.

While the Catechism does not declare homosexual acts to be "sub human," it DOES describe them (in more mature and accurate language) as "intrinsically disorded" and the kid seems to have just used a more casual vernacular to try to express that in his attempt to uphold the Catechism itself.

Dubuque should be chastised for it's attempts to punish and ridicule this guy.

42 posted on 10/27/2005 2:05:11 PM PDT by BIRDS
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The Vatican should censure Duquesne, demand it apologize to the student and ban Gay-Straight alliances and, should it fail to comply, strip them of their Catholic affiliation.
How can a Catholic school have an Abomination Club? That's what Catholicism says homo play is, an abomination.


43 posted on 10/27/2005 2:09:17 PM PDT by jjmcgo
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Miner was using an online directory not related to the University, where does the University get off punishing him???? Shouldn't the website/webmaster be responsible for it's content???


52 posted on 10/27/2005 2:36:38 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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After a hearing, the Office of Judicial Affairs found Miner guilty of violating the University Code, which prohibits harassment or discrimination based on sexual orientation, among other groups.

Posting an adverse view of specific, and very controversial, conduct on a public forum is not harassment or discrimination. The University Office of Judicial Affairs needs a crash course in the meaning of terms. For openers, this is a very sloppy attempt at legalistic analysis--worthy of the drivel that used to "sparkle" in the opinions of the late Earl Warren.

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53 posted on 10/27/2005 2:38:47 PM PDT by Ohioan
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Miner is also supposed to write a 10-page paper on homosexuality in the Catholic Church.

If that's the topic, it seems like he could write about how the Church teaches that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. Or he could start here: Top Vatican Cardinal: Gay Marriage is "A Crime Which represents the Destruction of the World"

There must be more to it than that if he's refusing.

55 posted on 10/27/2005 2:44:41 PM PDT by tuesday afternoon
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