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Mass resignations in Holmdel High School football program ( Over Disruptive Student/Player)
Newsday ^ | 10-27-2005

Posted on 10/28/2005 6:03:03 AM PDT by Cagey

Edited on 10/28/2005 6:22:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

HOLMDEL, N.J. -- The head coach of the Holmdel High School football team, Joe O'Connor, has resigned along with all nine assistant coaches over what O'Connor says was an undermining of his authority by the school administration.

O'Connor quit Monday, saying the administration had reinstated a player after the coach made him leave the team over discipline problems. On Wednesday, nine assistant coaches decided to resign from the team as well in a show of solidarity with O'Connor.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: coach; coaches; education; football; holmdel; pspl; publicschool; resignation
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I bet the parents brought an attorney to the school
1 posted on 10/28/2005 6:03:04 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: Cagey

Football "shrugged"


2 posted on 10/28/2005 6:04:10 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Coleus; Cagey

bttt!


3 posted on 10/28/2005 6:04:12 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Cagey

"I bet the parents brought an attorney to the school"

I wouldn't be at all surprised.


4 posted on 10/28/2005 6:05:29 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: Born Conservative

public schools ping


5 posted on 10/28/2005 6:05:55 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Cagey
O'Connor quit Monday, saying the administration had reinstated a player after the coach made him leave the team over discipline problems. On Wednesday, nine assistant coaches decided to resign from the team as well in a show of solidarity with O'Connor.

Very, very impressive.

6 posted on 10/28/2005 6:06:32 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: Cagey
Agreed, of course little "precious" didn't do anything wrong!

I can't believe how backwards this seems - teachers and coaches are getting in trouble for actually disciplining children who misbehave. Parents undermine teacher's authority - and it only hurts the children, as it doesn't allow them to see what it's like in the real world.

When this child gets fired from a job as an adult, are his parents going to complain to the former boss and get anywhere? Highly unlikely.

7 posted on 10/28/2005 6:07:13 AM PDT by arizonarachel (finally married...to F7OShawn...)
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To: Cagey
I wonder what prompted the suits to over-ride the coach?

Is this kid a superstar player or something?

8 posted on 10/28/2005 6:07:40 AM PDT by Kenton (Tagline for rent)
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To: Cagey

I bet the disruptive player rushes for 200 yards per game.


9 posted on 10/28/2005 6:08:07 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Steely Tom

No doubt. I admire resigning for principle, but when eight or nine guys come with you, that's impressive indeed. Coach must be a fine man.


10 posted on 10/28/2005 6:10:07 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Kenton
Parent:

"Look you morons....he's counting on a college scholarship for football. If he loses the opportunity, you'll hear from our attorney.....".

11 posted on 10/28/2005 6:10:11 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: r9etb

"I bet the disruptive player rushes for 200 yards per game."

That part of NJ is well known for outstanding players. The backup would also be a whiz.


12 posted on 10/28/2005 6:10:47 AM PDT by takbodan (.)
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To: Kenton; Calpernia; Coleus

More here:

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051028/NEWS/51028003

And now, the lastest news is the Principle, Cheryl Swider, has appointed her self Head Coach. Oh man!


13 posted on 10/28/2005 6:11:21 AM PDT by Cagey (Conservatism is a movement, not a political party.)
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To: Cagey

Good on ya, Coaches!


14 posted on 10/28/2005 6:13:52 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: DCPatriot
"he's counting on a college scholarship for football."

Admission Requirements:

Math: 750, Verbal: 700

- or -

6ft 5in, 230lbs and turn a 4.25 forty!
15 posted on 10/28/2005 6:15:23 AM PDT by YouPosting2Me
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To: DCPatriot
Holmdel Principal Cheryl Swider will serve as the team's head coach,

Oh my. I guess this will be a "growing year" for the team...

16 posted on 10/28/2005 6:16:27 AM PDT by Kenton (Tagline for rent)
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To: leadpenny

Ha, they are playing my old high school tonight. They will be crushed. My niece teaches in the Holmdel district. They had another controversy just a few weeks ago.


17 posted on 10/28/2005 6:16:47 AM PDT by takbodan (.)
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To: Cagey
The head coach of the Holmdel High School football team, Joe O'Connor, has resigned along with all nine assistant coaches ...

Nine ass't coaches? I know of some good college football programs that don't have nine ass't coaches ... and this is a H.S. team?!

18 posted on 10/28/2005 6:17:22 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: arizonarachel

"When this child gets fired from a job as an adult, are his parents going to complain to the former boss and get anywhere? Highly unlikely"

This is when the fired employee goes home, grabs a 9mm, returns to the job, and starts firing away.


19 posted on 10/28/2005 6:17:27 AM PDT by uptoolate
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To: Cagey

If my son played on that team he wouldn't be suiting up for any more games until the REAL coaches returned.


20 posted on 10/28/2005 6:17:41 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Cagey
"We were trying to do this for the players who did the right thing, who didn't skip class or practice or argue with the coaches,"

Amen and bump for all the good kids. Bump for all the good kids who have to endure the class idiots, the criminals, the bullies, and mooks and midrifs who seem to get away with any and everything. Bump for all the good kids who study and who stay in school and who do the right things. Bump for the good kids who go to church and who don't mind saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Bump for the good kids on the honor roll. Bump for the good kids for whom the administrators will never bend over backwards. Bump for the good kids who work hard and save their money for college. Bump for the good kids who are on the team and without whom there would be no high school 'stars'. Bump for the good kids who have good friends. Bump for the good kids who don't make children until they get married. Bump for the good kids who understand that what you wear on the outside is never as important as who you are in the inside. And bump for all the good kids that I have forgotten, the ones who never get mentioned.
21 posted on 10/28/2005 6:18:31 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: arizonarachel
When this child gets fired from a job as an adult, are his parents going to complain to the former boss and get anywhere? Highly unlikely.

This kid is destined for one of the following three........

early death

drug use/ dealing

prison

Rewarding behavior that would make all the coaches quit is idiotic!

Of course we know that many school boards are comprised of idiots!!

22 posted on 10/28/2005 6:19:19 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Steely Tom

Why does a team need "nine assistant coaches"?


23 posted on 10/28/2005 6:19:34 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: BluH2o
I know of some good college football programs that don't have nine ass't coaches

And they're probably not very competitive.

Nine in only three each for varsity, JV and freshman teams.

24 posted on 10/28/2005 6:19:37 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Cagey
School officials have declined to say why the player was reinstated. The school has a progressive discipline policy in which players are supposed to be given official warnings for disciplinary violations such as skipping class, according to Franceschini. If the violation is extremely serious, the discipline may exceed a warning.

The "progressive" discipline policy should not apply to athletics. Liberals suck.

25 posted on 10/28/2005 6:19:59 AM PDT by BTHOtu
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To: Cagey

How refreshing to see a man of principle honor, and strength of character!


26 posted on 10/28/2005 6:21:50 AM PDT by moasicwolf
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28 posted on 10/28/2005 6:22:12 AM PDT by Born Conservative (Don't take your organs to Heaven. Heaven knows we can use them here.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Yep. My oldest came up against these kids frequently. Their daddy's would show up, throw some weight around, and the kid would be scott free. It was always for the "team", doncha know.

Good for these coaches.


29 posted on 10/28/2005 6:22:28 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: YouPosting2Me

The linked article shed some new light - this player is most likely a prima donna type, and the wall of silence around why the kid did'nt practice that day, and why he was reinstated says volumes - he's got parents or relatives connected to the powers that be here.

Good for the coach, for standing up for principle. What burns me is they're saying they may revisit this later and punish the coach, because he did'nt give a 60 day notice.

I hope he has a good attorney - he could blow this whole thing wide open, if he gets it into a court room, and show why this kid was shown such blatant favoritism, and why an authority in the situation - the coach - was ignored and overrruled.


30 posted on 10/28/2005 6:22:54 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: arizonarachel
"When this child gets fired from a job as an adult, are his parents going to complain to the former boss and get anywhere?"

No. Instead he'll probably go Postal because the employer was wrong - He couldn't be wrong, ever. His parents and other enablers told him so for his life up to that point.

31 posted on 10/28/2005 6:23:51 AM PDT by TCats
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To: The Red Zone
Why does a team need "nine assistant coaches"?

Ask someone who knows football.

32 posted on 10/28/2005 6:25:22 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Bump for your thoughtful post.


33 posted on 10/28/2005 6:25:28 AM PDT by Cagey (Conservatism is a movement, not a political party.)
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To: Cagey

Nine assistant coaches in a high school ?


34 posted on 10/28/2005 6:25:40 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Janice Rogers Brown is the only High Court nominee that is acceptable to me, period.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Do we have any idea what the kid actually did?


35 posted on 10/28/2005 6:25:41 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Kenton
That shouldn't make a difference.
36 posted on 10/28/2005 6:26:13 AM PDT by Mathews (Shot... Splash... Out!)
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To: The Red Zone

Because academics just get in the way of a good high school athletics program silly.

At our Middle School the kids get 5% extra credit in English/Reading if they attend the English/Reading teacher's girls volleyball games.

Teaching is simply an avenue to coaching these days.


37 posted on 10/28/2005 6:28:05 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Cagey

On second thought: I'll bet this kid wasn't a first string player. No way would the coaches have kicked him off.


38 posted on 10/28/2005 6:28:07 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Eagle Eye

Read the link in post 13. Apparently there are enough parents who side with the school that they have volunteered to become assistants.


39 posted on 10/28/2005 6:28:16 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Cagey

The Holmdel school system is just a small part of the whole make-up of Holmdel. It is a very privileged community with a lot of $$. Bell laboratories (Lucent) built there years ago and lured all of these high priced Engineers to wide open farm land. They are all spoiled and used to getting their own way in everything.

Another can of worms is Middletown South High School. They are very used to getting students out of their school districts to fortify their teams. Any team that has lost to any of the Middletown South teams should look into the actual qualifications for all of the Middletown South players.

Another example would be Christian Brothers Academy. They recruit some of their students based on their physical ability and over look their academic qualifications.

In simple terms, it aint a perfect world. Kids are taught early that money qualifies them for privileged treatment. This is a bad lesson for life.


40 posted on 10/28/2005 6:28:35 AM PDT by noname07718
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To: YouPosting2Me

where he can complain to the college coaches, argue, break team rules and generally be coddled as long as he produces..then when he's not drafted (he certainly isn't going to get an education), he's a dishwasher someplace or winds up dead..then the parent sues because discipline wasn't instilled in him at the high school level..


41 posted on 10/28/2005 6:29:30 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Honest officer, I wasn't speeding.....I was qualifying)
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To: Cagey

NINE assistant coaches in high school????

Things have sure changed since the stone ages when I that age.


42 posted on 10/28/2005 6:30:05 AM PDT by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: Cagey

Someone should tell Swider she is no Goldie Hawn.

Clip from APp link:

Holmdel Principal Cheryl Swider will serve as the team's head coach, and vice principals Bill Loughran and Richard Coppola will assist in tonight's game, according to interim Schools Superintendent Mark Franceschini.

At an emergency meeting Thursday, the school board took less than 10 minutes to appoint a dozen new assistant coaches and accept the resignations of all 10 of the team's paid staff, including former head coach Joseph O'Connor, who resigned Monday over a flap with the board.

O'Connor's resignation triggered a chain reaction resulting in the team's nine assistant coaches abruptly quitting two days later.

The new assistant coaches, the majority of whom are parents of current football players, were recommended by high school Athletic Director Laurie Cancalosi after each volunteered Thursday. Their unpaid appointments are effective immediately, according to the resolution.

"The game will go on,'' Franceschini said. "The show must go on.''

All three resolutions accepting the resignations and appointing the new assistant coaches were passed unanimously, with board members Susan Howard and Mary Hartnett absent.

43 posted on 10/28/2005 6:30:06 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Thanks for the ping.

In the small town I live in, football is the ONLY thing that matters to many of the people (not me). Many of the hirings in the school are former football players, the coach at one point made more money than the superintendent (the coach also has a car from the school that he uses for personal use, and a credit card for gas), and the football program pretty much has carte blanche with their budget, while the district teeters on the verge of bankruptcy.

In our school, if a football player had discipline problems, the main factor on how it would be handled would be his value to the team. If he was a star, it would be swept under the carpet. If he was a bench warmer, he would be considered more expendable. The whole situation is sickening.

44 posted on 10/28/2005 6:30:58 AM PDT by Born Conservative (Don't take your organs to Heaven. Heaven knows we can use them here.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

AND BUMP TO YOU GOOD PERSON! BRAVO!!


45 posted on 10/28/2005 6:31:51 AM PDT by Mathews (Shot... Splash... Out!)
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To: Cagey
...nine assistant coaches...

I think that is a problem in and of itself. How many English, science or foreign language teachers are there at this school? It would appear that football is a major priority and the mindset of winning at all costs is predominent. It should be no surprise that unchecked unruly behavior by the "student" athletes is problem just as it is in big college football and even the pros (e.g. the Minnesota Vikings love boat cruise).

46 posted on 10/28/2005 6:32:10 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: The Red Zone

running backs coach
receivers coach
linebackers coach
defensive backfield coach
defensive line coach
offensive line coach
qb coach
offensive coordinator
defensive coordinator

It does seem a bit much for high school, but I've yet to hear the Ohio freepers comment yet.

I went to college in the middle of nowhere in the middle of Ohio, and every little town you'd drive through on Friday night had a huge football stadium.


47 posted on 10/28/2005 6:32:11 AM PDT by dmz
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To: takbodan

Go (insert mascot name of high school playing Holmdel) !!!!


Hit 'em again, harder, harder!


48 posted on 10/28/2005 6:32:20 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: r9etb
I bet the disruptive player rushes for 200 yards per game.

If it was anything like the High School I went to, the kid probably sucked, thought he knew everything, but still started because his parents were wealthy.

In the meantime all the good athletes were sitting in the stands because their parents weren't rich and thus they were not on the team.

49 posted on 10/28/2005 6:34:11 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Born Conservative

Ditto. See my post above.


Our school system in TX couldn't afford books for all the kids, but by golly, they built and INDOOR practice field for the football players!

Here in Ohio we have a school levy on the ballot. They are threatening that if it doesn't pass, sports will be the first to go. Uh huh......... Never happen.


50 posted on 10/28/2005 6:36:00 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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