Skip to comments.Clovis Speakers Discuss Man's Origins In The United States
Posted on 10/28/2005 11:53:56 AM PDT by blam
Posted on Thu, Oct. 27, 2005
Clovis speakers discuss man's origins in the United States
COLUMBIA, S.C. - A University of Texas archaeologist opened the highly anticipated "Clovis in the Southeast" conference at the Columbia Metropolitan Convention Center Thursday by rejecting the premise on which many experts once based their theories on man's North American origins.
At the meeting, sponsored in part by the University of South Carolina, Michael Collins called the idea that the first inhabitants traveled by way of a land bridge from Asia "primal racism." Instead, Collins said, they arrived by water, because "the rich marine environments" along the northern Atlantic and Pacific coasts are "very attractive regions for human exploitation."
Conference staffer Thomas McDonald said that roughly 400 people had pre-registered for the four-day conference on Clovis - the culture traditionally thought to have been the first in North America.
In recent years, many experts have begun to consider other explanations, such as migration from Europe, and not Asia. That idea was advanced by Dennis Stanford, head of the archaeology division of the department of anthropology at the Smithsonian Institute's National Museum of Natural History.
Other speakers talked about the wide array of paleo-Indian artifacts throughout the southeastern region. University of South Carolina archaeologist Al Goodyear discussed his research at the Topper site in Allendale County, calling the spot "the Goldilocks location to be doing archaeology." In 1998, Goodyear announced that he had discovered artifacts thousands of years older than Clovis materials at Topper.
University of Tennessee professor David Anderson also encouraged private collectors to consider sharing their artifacts with the public. Be "thinking about where you're going to be 100 years from now," he said. "We're all part of the archaeological record."
Afternoon speakers discussed the discoveries of Clovis tools from sites throughout the Tennessee River Valley. Showing slides of the dozens of samples recovered from a Tennessee location, John Broster of the Tennessee Department of Conservation said, "It sorta gets boring in a way, after a while, I guess, but it's still really exciting."
On Friday, Jim Welch will moderate a discussion that Goodyear said "might get a little hot and heavy." Goodyear said he hoped artifact collectors would attend and help to heal some of the "antipathy" between professionals and collectors in the field.
Scheduled events culminate in a Saturday visit to the Topper site.
Too bad that archaeology is another science infected by the PC bacillius.
How do they know we just did not evolve here from moonbats?
BTW, the oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10,000 years old. Re: Oppenheimer.
Didn't know there was anyone left alive that spoke Clovis.
Of the most feared warship in history, the Athenian trireme, not one survives.
It's generally accepted within the scientific community that this is the origin of Homo Democratis.
WTF does that mean? Sounds like a typical lefty. If you can't logically debunk your opponent's argument, call him a racist. Works every time.
What exactly is "primal racism"? LOL Has a nice ring to it, though.
I want reparations against "American Indians" who stole this land from my ancestors!
Thanks for the post. I enjoy pre-Columbian history.
And they weren't much more than 2000 years ago.
BTW, these speakers are probably correct about the North Pacific, but they are wildly incorrect about the North Atlantic.
North Atlantic shores are not at all hospitable for human life.
Some good discoveries in the last few years. Things are getting exciting again.
Xenu is my homeboy.
No kidding. That's why the Original Thirteen Colonies died out.
Today the Reed boats that ply the Andean Lake Titicaca in Bolivia, Ancient Egypt can current day Chad proclaim that ancient man was an adventurous traveler!
I visited the Museum in Sweden where his boats are now displayed. In the next room are Viking long boats which did discover Greenland when the last global warming took place and greenLand was named for its Greeness, (an there was no Kermit!). As near as I could tell the Viking Long boats did not add CO2 to the atmosphere!!!!
The controversy is over dates. Then it becomes a fuss between adults who do this for a living and a bunch of 'me first' clowns and their press agents.
Back then, the continents were connected and sea travel may have been along the coast by water rather than hiking across land. Inuit traveled between the Aleutian islands and the mainland by kayak.
They migrated to Kobol.
Maybe they caught the redeye flight from somewhere?
Check this link out, http://www.philipcoppens.com/bbl_plane.html
I think that is when racist thoughts are screamed, very loudly.
Makes sense - lol
Lot of local open sites have no soft organic remains (not counting charcoal, bone & shell) after a mere 200 years.
North North Atlantic. Try island-hopping from Norway to Newfoundland in a primitive boat and see how long you last. Which is what the article was referencing.
Much of the coast of the North Pacific is by comparison warm and inviting.
Nah, the rules are to come across whatever way. Ireland, Iceland, Newfoundland. Not a problem. They were tougher, then, too, didn't know what they couldn't do.
The public is generally unaware of the rancorous disputes that populate academia, diffusionism being one of the nastiest. Diffusionism is basically the anthropological theory that ancient cultures extended their influence and carried on trade across open oceans. This is but one of a host of oppressive and lying social engineering pillars that can be found also in physics (gravity as "fabric" of univers, solar "wind" is not plasma current), astronomy (planet are formed by disk accretion; black hole, big bang, dark matter are not the result of GIGO modeling), psychology (behaviorism is therapeutic, characterological determinants are genetic), liguistics (language independent of cultural evolution potential), genetics (acquired characteristics or learned behavior cannot become genetic), anthropology (mythology cannot reflect historic events), ad nauseum.
For some reason, any attempt to make diffusionism part of the fabric of anthropology or archaeology is met with ridicule, villification and career sabotage. Barry Fell and Thor Heyerdahl's theories are NOT welcome in mainstream academic jounals, which is why he went to consumer publication with his work.
My take is that the reason diffusionism is considered heresy is a) It implies that cultures of the dawn of civilization didn't have the smarts to navigate large stretches of open ocean, b) The great civilizations extended their influence via conquest rather than trade or active colonization, c) Civilizations evolved slowly via internal means rather than rapidly via cross fertilization of ideas d) Religious and Cultural ideas were home grown rather than disseminated.
A liberal socialist academia would want our notion of history to reject and civilizing influence that is not socialist in origin, ie commerce and evangelization are ligitimized in their minds only as coercive, warlike and unwelcome concepts.
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Me too. I thought, Oh Boy!, when I saw the headlines.
Click on my link in post #6 and go on the 'journey'.
I think I would put these two gentlemen into separate groups.
I might add Erich von Daniken to Barry Fell's side though.
Well, high time for the Congress to put the border guards on that Solutrea border, and meanwhile we should send Minutemen there as a stopgap measure.
Nah. I have more respect for Fell than to lump him in with von Daniken.
Maybe with Gloria Farley
We are indeed living in interesting times!
Clovis is the root language for Basque. :)
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Not so much "primal racism" as "pathological isolationism". Also a strong bias against navigation by a bunch of landlubbers. :')
(and believe me, the temptation for a Jethro Tull reference is huge right now):
Dennis Stanford (looks like a good topic in its own right):
New radiocarbon dates: Evidence puts man in North America 50,000 years ago
David G. Anderson:
Good example. I do hope that the studies of sea bottoms at places of known large ancient battles eventually turn up some that have been in anoxia conditions.
Terrible headline....leads one to believe that Clovis language had been reconstructed.....
I wish someone had alerted me to this conference in advance. I would have attended.
That part about private collectors sharing their artifacts with archaeologists is in order. Some of my old homies in Central Kentucky have Paleoindian collections that exceed (in both quantity and quality) those of most universities and museums.