Posted on 10/29/2005 7:35:16 PM PDT by takbodan
PYONGYANG, North Korea -- In the center of the North Korean capital floats a commissioned vessel of the U.S. Navy. The USS Pueblo, a spy ship captured by the North in 1968, is moored on a bank of the Daedong River. Despite quiet U.S. moves in recent years to secure its return, the vessel still functions as tourist attraction, trophy and symbol of anti-American struggle.
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The first time I saw an overhead photo of a major Russian city taken at high noon, I was awe struck as was everyone else. Someone had risked their lives for those photos.
I forget his name but it is very enlightening for those that believe the Navy crew was heroic.
You are very correct. There was a question if we had enough fuel to get to our target. No fuel left to return so the plan was to bail out after vaporizing the target. We all risked our lives. Five percent of my flight class were killed in first 18 months out of flight school. One of my class is on the Viet Nam Wall.
And I know a pilot who flew with Gary Powers while he was in Strategic Air Command flying F-84's.
I did not stay in that long.
Any reason for not mentioning Carter?
I admit War Time is different. I was refering to incidents not in War Time.
The military does not give equal consideration to problems outside of hostel military action.
"In mid 50s you were using most likely, intelligence gathered by people that risked their lives.
I was practicing " Duck and Cover" in grade school then - U-2's and then SR-71's later.
One of the 3G pilots is an aquantance.
In this particular incident, the pilot and crew of the US aircraft were not at fault. The Chinese fighter crashed into them while they were 50 miles off the coast. One of the Chinese fighters was lost in the collision. It took the heroic efforts of the US commander to land his plane safely. I would consider what the Chinese did to be a hostile action.
Under Xlintoon's watch they could have sent it by way of the Air Force Adademy, West Point, the Naval Academy and Potomac and no would have been the wiser!!
Many expected that since he did have control of the craft that he would have dived into the water rather than giving it to the Chinese.
Someone on FR posted a memorial page for the Dead pilot during the time immediately after the incident. I know no Chinese language but probed the page until an email page poped up. I sent message: the the pilots flight instructor should have told him not to fly near large aircraft.
Someone posted a reply to me that I was engaging in a dangerous activity . Perhaps NSA.
I got a couple of replys from a China source.
Yeah right. Given the description of conditions on the aircraft and the difficulty of maintaining control, the crew could not have egressed from the aircraft safely. The crew was not on a suicide mission.
The crew reported that they had succeeded in destroying secret equipment aboard the airplane before being marched off it.
"A horrible symbol of America."
True, it is a horrible symbol, however, it's harmless to us now. All of the comms gear has been vastly outdated and its purpose, after all, was comms intercept. There is one particular piece of equipment on the ship that, no doubt, was a particular concern, a highly secure means of communications but I suspect that either the Korcoms didn't know how to operate it or the NSA made it irrelevant.
Correct.
"Someone posted a reply to me that I was engaging in a dangerous activity "
Keep it up and post - and keep a Rem 870 close at hand.
Heh heh heh. That was good.
And it probably is the most modern ship in their navy.
I was in Navy boot camp in San Diego when this happened.
My company commander, a chief petty officer was apoplectic with rage at Bucher for surrendering.
By chance we had a class about what you are permitted to do when you surrender. The instructor, another crusty old chief gave us the class by the book, and then told us, "This surrendering crap is for Army pukes!" "Bucher is a coward, and ought to be shot!"
"We are the US NAVY!" "You will NEVER surrender!!!" "You will WIN, or you will DIE!" "You will NEVER, EVER, HAUL DOWN THE FLAG, and you will kill anyone who tries to do so!!"
It made a massive impression on us.
Because he's a modern secular saint and can do no wrong.
/sarcasm
Seriously? I was just listing the Republican presidents since LBJ.
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