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Outrage over honor for cop-killer inmate
Star Ledger ^ | 10.29.05 | MIKE FRASSINELLI

Posted on 10/29/2005 10:27:17 PM PDT by Coleus

Cop-killer transsexual Leslie Ann Nelson was honored as an Inmate of the Month during a recent ceremony in which she received a certificate, a hug and a special lunch, infuriating a statewide police organization that represents nearly 30,000 officers.

"The idea that our state would award a vicious and cold-blooded murderer like Leslie Ann Nelson is both outrageous and disgusting," said state Policemen's Benevolent Association President Michael J. Madonna, who yesterday called for the New Jersey Department of Corrections to end the Inmate of the Month award and for the warden at Nelson's prison to step down.

The award also drew the ire of the widow of a state trooper whose death led to sweeping changes in the way police conduct traffic stops.

"As they pat him -- or her-- on the back, they slap the families of who he killed," said Donna Lamonaco of Belvidere, Warren County, whose husband, Phil, was gunned down by fugitives as he made a vehicle stop on Route 80 in Knowlton Township 24 years ago. "It makes me sick, and I am not sitting idle."

Nelson, 48, a transsexual go-go dancer whose name was Glenn Nelson before a sex-change operation at age 34, was convicted of killing Camden County law enforcement officers John McLaughlin and John Norcross during a 1995 standoff in Haddon Heights.

She was removed from death row, but has an upcoming death-penalty trial in which she wants to represent herself. Juries have twice decided she should die, and twice those sentences were overturned by the state Supreme Court.

Nelson is an inmate at Edna Mahan Correctional Facility for Women in Clinton, Hunterdon County, where she works as a paralegal in the law library and teaches other inmates how to read.

Department of Corrections spokesman Matt Schuman said 120 of the inmate

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New Jersey
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1 posted on 10/29/2005 10:27:18 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

If she murdered a cop she should have been executed.

But, various programs to help keep inmates under control are quite useful. A Christian prison program is currently under attack because it includes privileges but apparently it helps reduce prison violence.


2 posted on 10/29/2005 10:32:12 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: Coleus

Good grief, do the New Jersey state troopers really think inmate of the month is such a high award they should complain about this?

Isn't everyone up for this award a pretty bad person? Doesn't someone have to get the award. Might the prison system in NJ want such an award to encourage the prisoners to behave.

Now I guess one could object to allowing a man to get a sex change operation and move to a woman's prison pretty outrageous? On the other hand if you wanted to cut that part of me off, I might consider it cruel and unusual punishment and seek intervention by the federal courts.


3 posted on 10/29/2005 10:35:00 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Coleus
Either states should execute convicted death row prisoners within a 1-year period, or they shouldn't have capital punishment to begin with.

What do states think death row is? A defunct hip-hop record label?

4 posted on 10/29/2005 10:36:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Coleus
New Jersey... the poster child for extreme liberalism. It has a Rose Bird, RINO-dominated murderer-loving Supreme Court. What's every one so upset about? Its exactly what New Jerseyans want. Now they should all go home to sit down and shut the hell up!

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

5 posted on 10/29/2005 10:37:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Coleus

6 posted on 10/29/2005 10:42:06 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Coleus

7 posted on 10/29/2005 10:42:09 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: JLS

"Good grief, do the New Jersey state troopers really think inmate of the month is such a high award they should complain about this? "

Hey now, He/She got a hug, and a certificate, and lunch!! that sounds like a pretty big deal!! :o)

MM


8 posted on 10/29/2005 10:42:20 PM PDT by motormouth (Good Grief!!!!)
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To: Coleus

What bugs me more than anything is that the media refer to this sexually mutilated thug as a woman. They'll play any charade, except one that has the smallest semblance of normalcy.


9 posted on 10/29/2005 10:48:26 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: gondramB
"If she murdered a cop she should have been executed"

I disagree... Although it's wrong to kill anyone, cops are just crooks that work for the government. They live by the sword, they die by the sword...
10 posted on 10/29/2005 10:50:53 PM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

What bugs me more than anything is that the media refer to this sexually mutilated thug as a woman.
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If you shoved a fish up his/her butt they would call him/her a mermaid.


11 posted on 10/29/2005 10:56:00 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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To: babygene

Your asinine generalizations match your intellect... you're no better than the liberals who claim Bush=Hitler


12 posted on 10/29/2005 10:57:20 PM PDT by Roots (www.GOPatUCR.com - College Republicans at the University of California, Riverside)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Either states should execute convicted death row prisoners within a 1-year period, or they shouldn't have capital punishment to begin with.

What do states think death row is? A defunct hip-hop record label?"

And this case is particularly frustrating. S/he has been tried twice, convicted twice and sentenced to death twice and each time a new trial was ordered on a technicality.


13 posted on 10/29/2005 10:58:31 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: gondramB
Just like Rose Bird. What's the point of having a death penalty? Both RINO Forrester and Democrat Corzine want to abolish it. I dare say this cop killer will NEVER be executed.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

14 posted on 10/29/2005 11:00:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: babygene
"cops are just crooks that work for the government. They live by the sword, they die by the sword"

What a ridiculous and asinine thing to say.
15 posted on 10/29/2005 11:01:31 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: babygene
...cops are just crooks that work for the government. They live by the sword, they die by the sword...

Sounds like someone's feeling guilty.

16 posted on 10/29/2005 11:04:17 PM PDT by MarineBrat (When it rains, New Orleans makes its own gravy.)
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To: goldstategop

"Just like Rose Bird. What's the point of having a death penalty? Both RINO Forrester and Democrat Corzine want to abolish it. I dare say this cop killer will NEVER be executed."

And the in the third trial s/he is is going to represent himself... you can just imagine the drama fest that's going to be.


17 posted on 10/29/2005 11:05:56 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: martin_fierro

So, if a guy puts a wig on he gets to go to the woman's prison?

Cool!


18 posted on 10/29/2005 11:08:16 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: gondramB
"Either states should execute convicted death row prisoners within a 1-year period, or they shouldn't have capital punishment to begin with."

I actually agree with this. Their Lawyers should have a set time period (say 1 year) to bring in all appeals. The case should be reviewed by a higher court or a court set up just for Death Sentence cases. If all is in order, carry out the sentence. I think a system like this would work. Executing someone 15 years after a crime does not deter anything, and if the justification is closure for the family, it is too long await.

Other than Timmy McVey, it seems no one is executed in less than 10-15 years. Hummmmm, I wonder why Timmy was so fast????????
19 posted on 10/29/2005 11:09:01 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: babygene


Please clarify.... Surely you made that statement in error.

MM


20 posted on 10/29/2005 11:09:05 PM PDT by motormouth (Good Grief!!!!)
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To: JoeSixPack1

"So, if a guy puts a wig on he gets to go to the woman's prison?

Cool!"

Actually, I think its a bit more painful and permanent than that.


21 posted on 10/29/2005 11:10:43 PM PDT by gondramB
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Help block parole of convicted New Jersey cop-killer!
 
TRANTINO;

22 posted on 10/29/2005 11:12:36 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Roots
"Your asinine generalizations match your intellect..."

You know nothing about my intellict.

Your an Idi-t A cop's life is worth no more or less than any other human life. The fact is, that cops, IMHO are just criminals that work for the state. It didn't use to be that way, but it is today. I've been around for a long, long time and seen it change. Sure, there are some exceptions...

You are really, really naive.
23 posted on 10/29/2005 11:13:57 PM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: gondramB

chop, chop..

ouch!


24 posted on 10/29/2005 11:14:06 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: martin_fierro; SteveMcKing

IT's so beautiful.

he she it

it is


25 posted on 10/29/2005 11:15:04 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Roots

That last speeding ticket must have been the last straw!! :)

The local law enforcement in my town is great. State Police and the Sheriff's Department are extremely supportive and service-oriented as well. Unfortunately for those who regularly break the law, the officers/troopers enforce it to protect the taxpayers from such criminals and others who are just plain reckless.

I suppose that makes them crooks.



26 posted on 10/29/2005 11:16:33 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (Use them bootstraps, cowboy.)
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To: gondramB

ROFL! A new twist on the old twilight zone episode where the guy buys immortality and then gets locked up for life.

This jerk whacked off his dingaling and now sits in a woman's prison for life. LOL!!

Poetic Justice. No wonder the idiot wants to die.


27 posted on 10/29/2005 11:20:51 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: babygene


"The fact is, that cops, IMHO are just criminals that work for the state. It didn't use to be that way, but it is today. I've been around for a long, long time and seen it change. Sure, there are some exceptions...

You are really, really naive."


You really need to get out more, IMHO.

Perhaps another location might ease the paranoia and bitterness.

By the way, do you happen to live in New Orleans? ;)


28 posted on 10/29/2005 11:21:00 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (Use them bootstraps, cowboy.)
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To: babygene
You know nothing about my intellict.

That says it all right there. Some exceptions?? You really don't know that many cops, do you? Or perhaps the ones you do know are always busting your ass.
29 posted on 10/29/2005 11:26:08 PM PDT by Roots (www.GOPatUCR.com - College Republicans at the University of California, Riverside)
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To: Time4Atlas2Shrug

"By the way, do you happen to live in New Orleans? ;)"

No, but that was a good question. However, New Orleans is no different than a thousand other communities. Police are, by and large, above the law in this country.







30 posted on 10/29/2005 11:30:52 PM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: babygene
"Your an Idi-t A cop's life is worth no more or less than any other human life."

Also, we do not convict people based on the value of the life taken or every murderer would receive the same treatment. The act wouldn't be what was punished, rather, it would be a reward for the life that was taken. Perhaps some families of victims understandably see it like that but under our penal system, such reasoning would be dangerous.

With that said, it is not the officer's life having greater value than the life of another that is relevant, it is the crime committed by the perpetrator that is relevant. When a criminal kills a police officer he is demonstrating a blatant disregard for the law and for the symbol of its enforcement and is, therefore, considered to be a greater risk to society.

Does this help?
32 posted on 10/29/2005 11:33:11 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (Use them bootstraps, cowboy.)
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To: Roots
"Or perhaps the ones you do know are always busting your ass"

You jerk... I haven't had so much as a traffic ticket in 40 years. Nor has my kids or grandKids.

Have you done as well?
33 posted on 10/29/2005 11:36:13 PM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Time4Atlas2Shrug
" Does this help?"

No it does not; Simply because there are more innocents killed by cops than cops killed criminals. The fact is that you are more likely, as a law abiding citizen to have a loaded gun pointed at you by a police officer than by a criminal. Think about it...
34 posted on 10/29/2005 11:45:45 PM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: martin_fierro

...oh, my God.


35 posted on 10/29/2005 11:54:48 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: babygene
"The fact is that you are more likely, as a law abiding citizen to have a loaded gun pointed at you by a police officer than by a criminal. Think about it..."

This is quite the accusation and I hope you have the statistics to back it up. Otherwise, please refrain from assuming anything.

And I'll use my experience with cops and criminals as unscientific data (you seem to appreciate such proof, thus far). I have had a gun in my face on two separate occasions because criminals put it there. I have yet to experience this with a cop, in fact, one of our local officers suggested (unsolicited) a number of self-defense firearms in which I might be interested when I picked up my concealed carry permit.

The positive encounters I have had with law enforcement far outweigh the negative, and this seems to be the general consensus among those I know.

If you are so miffed about the police power, then do something about it. Get your butt in gear and do some voting and attend some city council/selectmen's meetings.

Also, it would do you some good to get to know a cop or two.
36 posted on 10/30/2005 12:02:44 AM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (Use them bootstraps, cowboy.)
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To: babygene
Simply because there are more innocents killed by cops than cops killed criminals. The fact is that you are more likely, as a law abiding citizen to have a loaded gun pointed at you by a police officer than by a criminal. Think about it...

By this logic, America would be better off without a police force than with one... oh but wait, perhaps New Orleans is a prime example of how without a police force, everybody has a loaded gun pointed at you. Your statistic only supports the fact that police officers are doing their jobs... if that many private citizens aren't shooting people, obviously somebody's keeping America in line.

By the way, nothing in this post supports the crookedness of the very few cops who really do give a bad rep for the police force. You don't assume that your postman/woman carries an assult rifle on them b/c a few lunatic gives a whole new meaning to "going postal", now would you? Get off your "anti-cop" fix, you're being completely naive and irrational.
37 posted on 10/30/2005 12:06:24 AM PDT by Roots (www.GOPatUCR.com - College Republicans at the University of California, Riverside)
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"I have had a gun in my face on two separate occasions because criminals put it there."

I don't believe you. Two times huh? Where the H3LL do you live, and who do you hang out with? You must be a magnet for at temped murders...
I bet you won't find ones other person on this thread who has has a gun pointed at them by a criminal even once. Sure it wasn't 5 times?
38 posted on 10/30/2005 12:16:46 AM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Roots

"Your statistic only supports the fact that police officers are doing their jobs... if that many private citizens aren't shooting people, obviously somebody's keeping America in line"

And I guess you think that people would go around shooting people. Well, in my RED state, they wouldn't We don't need to be kept "in line". (can't speak for your blue state)

Indivials, at least from my observation, are almost always good. Most of the bad ones usualy hang out together. It't not the police's job, according to the USSC, to protect us in any event.


39 posted on 10/30/2005 12:28:08 AM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: gondramB

IT should certainly have been executed long ago.



But the New Jersey State Supreme Court, Florida not withstanding, the most liberal court in the nation, (and the creation of RINO Chrissie "Its my Party Too" Whitman) has repeatedly ignored the wishes of the majority of New Jerseyians and exercized "judicial nullification" by finding one loopholes or another to prevent the execution of the some most heinous killers in history.

This freak should most certainly not be rewarded for behaving well in prison. Such behavior should be an expectation, and the prison authorities should have the power to impose it by any means necessaey.


40 posted on 10/30/2005 12:32:16 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: babygene
And I guess you think that people would go around shooting people. Well, in my RED state, they wouldn't We don't need to be kept "in line". (can't speak for your blue state) Indivials, at least from my observation, are almost always good.

Oh, and you totally seem to be the expert in the human psyche... all I see here is a loose anecdotal hypothesis, what evidence do you have to back this up? Hell, open up today's newspaper and you'll see a Republican criminal *ahem* Libby! Mr RED state himself, and Rove's next in line. And if by RED state you mean CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST state, then consider the child-molesting priests, they totally don't need accountability.

Face it, anarchy would bring utter chaos in even to your hicktown.
41 posted on 10/30/2005 12:43:35 AM PDT by Roots (www.GOPatUCR.com - College Republicans at the University of California, Riverside)
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To: babygene

That's disgusting.


42 posted on 10/30/2005 12:44:05 AM PDT by Ruth C
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To: JoeSixPack1
So, if a guy puts a wig on he gets to go to the woman's prison?

It's more what he takes off.

43 posted on 10/30/2005 12:46:17 AM PDT by Grut
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To: gondramB

"IT" ...shouldn't have made it to jail in the first place.


44 posted on 10/30/2005 12:49:40 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: babygene
"Sure it wasn't 5 times?"

Yup, only twice. Once I was 17 and worked at a women's clothing store and we were held up and I was the one at our register. The second occasion I was admittedly with someone who wasn't the most upstanding character (although I wouldn't have admitted it then) in a bad section of Providence, RI and when he decided to cause a problem with some yutes, one pulled a gun on me. Pleading for my life on my knees was not something I cared to recollect, but thanks for forcing my hand.

So there you have it - see, I poured my heart out for you!

Anyway, I still do not see your statistics posted. Somehow they seem suspect. How many gun crimes are stopped by people with firearms each year? How many cops use their weapons against law-abiding citizens each year in some manner? The answers will probably suggest that many more criminals victimize the good guys than cops do. But because you made the claim, you can research it.
45 posted on 10/30/2005 12:53:59 AM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (Use them bootstraps, cowboy.)
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To: babygene

"It't not the police's job, according to the USSC, to protect us in any event."

Wrong again. They are not required to protect individuals (clearly they can not be everwhere they might be needed) but they have a duty to protect the society in general (they try to get the bad guys). Otherwise, you could get police protection whenever you desired it. No town/city can cater to the needs of every citizen at every moment.


46 posted on 10/30/2005 12:59:49 AM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (Use them bootstraps, cowboy.)
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To: Coleus

Why is he/she/it still alive. All cop killers should be executed immediately after trial. Sounds like she passed go and is collecting $200..


47 posted on 10/30/2005 1:04:05 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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Cop-killer transsexual Leslie Ann Nelson was honored as an Inmate of the Month during a recent ceremony in which she received a certificate, a hug and a special lunch, infuriating a statewide police organization that represents nearly 30,000 officers.

That's enough I don't think I can read anymore.

48 posted on 10/30/2005 1:04:14 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: babygene
I bet you won't find ones other person on this thread who has has a gun pointed at them by a criminal even once.

You lose.

Armed robbery at work, thirteen years ago. I was the lucky girl who approached the criminal as if he were any other customer and said "May I help you?", so I was the one who got to clean out the cash register with a gun in my face.

Yes, we gals in retail are magnets for that sort of thing.

49 posted on 10/30/2005 1:24:38 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: gondramB
If he murdered a cop he should have been executed.

It's how he was born. It is what his genes still say.

50 posted on 10/30/2005 1:52:35 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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