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Patrick Fitzgerald Uses Martha Stewart Technique to Indict Scooter Libby
National Ledger ^ | 10-29-05 | Sher Zieve - NEWS ANALYSIS

Posted on 10/30/2005 8:40:57 AM PST by smoothsailing

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To: B.Bumbleberry
That isn't what Martha Stewart was guilty of at all. She was found guilty of lying to investigators.

That was the charge but in the exit interviews with the jurors, they thought she was insider trading - what she said she was innocent of - and what she was not charged with.

Martha was too cheap to take a piddling stock loss and too cheap to hire a top defense attorney

21 posted on 10/30/2005 9:46:39 AM PST by Ceebass
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To: djf

I think it will come down to the Hillary and Bill defense.
"I do not recall"
That is all he should have said.


22 posted on 10/30/2005 9:48:33 AM PST by Holicheese (Would you like a beer? No thanks, I will have a bud light.)
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To: Boundless
I wasn't referring to the 1982 law, but Libby's general requirement to not disclose classified info.

Maybe that's why there's been only one (known) prosecution under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

23 posted on 10/30/2005 9:52:33 AM PST by angkor
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To: smoothsailing

In this country, the prosecutors are the criminals.


24 posted on 10/30/2005 9:52:41 AM PST by stinkerpot65
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To: Mike Darancette
If it walks like a duck...
25 posted on 10/30/2005 9:55:07 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
It's a good rant!
26 posted on 10/30/2005 9:59:07 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: RoadTest
Bottom line lesson: do not answer any questions from any Fed for any reason (exception: ''I can't recall'') until and unless you receive full written transactional AND use immunity for any and all potential offenses even remotely related to the presumptive matter at hand.

Then, when this becomes common practice among informed citizens, watch the Feds moan about how they can't get any citizen cooperation.

27 posted on 10/30/2005 10:00:01 AM PST by SAJ
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To: Condor51
LOL!
28 posted on 10/30/2005 10:00:20 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: B.Bumbleberry

NEW YORK — In an embarrassing development for the government, federal prosecutors on Friday charged one of their witnesses in the Martha Stewart trial with perjury, based on testimony he gave on two days in February.

Prosecutors accused Larry Stewart, director of the U.S. Secret Service's laboratory and no relation to Martha Stewart, of giving false testimony under oath.

Will history repeat itself in the Fitz case? Government telling more lies than Libby?


29 posted on 10/30/2005 10:02:33 AM PST by MilleniumBug
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To: livius
I think Fitzgerald is also setting a dangerous precedent

I believe that Fitzferald knew Libby's first statements were not correct and allowed and encouraged Libby to repeat them to investigators and eventually the Grand Jury. It was the duty of investigators to confront Libby about misstatements when suspected in furtherance of the investigation.

To expand on Fitzgerald's lame baseball analogy what Fitzgerald did was; after the first hit batter took his base the Umpire (Fitzgerald) goes to the pitcher (Libby) and tells him, "Bet you can't do that again".

One thing you've got to say about Libby was that he was consistent.

30 posted on 10/30/2005 10:07:27 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: smoothsailing

Actually, taken literally, Fitzgerald is the one "obstructing justice".

Misleading answers to questions - such as "What we have when someone charges obstruction of justice is the umpire gets sand thrown in his eyes. He's trying to figure out what happened, and somebody blocked their view." When the question was "Was the original crime even committed" - is in fact obstructing justice. It is a yes or no question.

He thinks he is the "umpire". He thinks he is the court. He is really the court jester.


31 posted on 10/30/2005 10:14:12 AM PST by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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To: smoothsailing
The setting is not for Justice, it is for Political gain. It is a Kangaroo Prosecutor with a Kangaroo Liberal Court. Libby is a victim. Plame? There was no offence in the beginning. How can there be perjury and obstruction in a case where there was no initial offense anyway? Answer: Easy, political ends are the goal, not justice. Kangaroo Courts and show trials are not items that Americans like, no matter what their politics. The Dims have screwed themselves again! What a joke: Kangaroo Prosecutor/Kangaroo Court: Suffer Again You Dims!
32 posted on 10/30/2005 10:24:34 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: smoothsailing
>>>>Apparently, Fitzgerald is a backer of creativity in the law.

Activist prosecutors are as bad as activist judges.

33 posted on 10/30/2005 10:27:52 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: smoothsailing
I'm repeating myself again, so many times. Fitzzzzzzzzz is trying to "save his ass" by continually interviewing hoping to find inconsistencies. All lawyer's that are border line jacka@@ use this method to try to look like "Ah, I have the goods" when they know they lost the case. They try to string the case along so the chance of inconsistency because of misstatement or memory could happen. Fitzzzzzzzzz is a liberal hack.
34 posted on 10/30/2005 10:34:58 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Your rant was right on the money. Listen to the Liberal news shows, Public Radio and the rest, describing the
moral turpitude of outing a covert agent ( untrue)
when in fact Libby was following the policy set by the President on Iraq, and trying to handle the sedition and espionage of Wilson, PLame, and the CIA.Libby did a good job, but they should have arrested Plame and Wilson and charged them with espionage, which is why the CIA did not send one of their own agents to Niger, they would have lost their job and would have been charged with espionage.

Meanwhile the liberal propaganda machine churns out descriptions of a heinius crime committed by Libby?
This whole thing is a Kangaroo Court with a Kangaroo Prosecutor. And the administration of Justice will be defamed by it.

What worries me is that at some point this is going to get down to shootin and a civil war. Thats the way its headed!


35 posted on 10/30/2005 10:45:09 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: smoothsailing
I've never been on or before a grand jury. Does the Fifth Amendment protection against being compelled to testify against yourself not apply? Or was Libby unable to take advantage of that protection because President Bush had ordered everyone in the White House to cooperate fully?

Judge Sirica broke open the Watergate case by initially sentencing the burglars to extremely long prison sentences. Fitzgerald may be threatening Libby with 25 years in prison hoping Libby will say things Fitzgerald can then use against Rove, Cheney, or Bush...and may not care whether the information is true, as long as it is useful.

36 posted on 10/30/2005 10:45:58 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I tend to agree that Bush should pardon Libby.

Clinton pardoned many who were guilty of a lot more than Libby has been charged with. Soon no honorable people will want to serve in Government.

Never cooperate with the FBI on anything that they could charge us with.


37 posted on 10/30/2005 10:59:36 AM PST by southland (New Orleans was an incident waiting to happen.)
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To: Mike Darancette
One thing you've got to say about Libby was that he was consistent.

That is absolutely true.

From everything I've read or heard about Scooter the consistency of opinion is striking.

He's honest, he's smart,he's loyal, he's patriotic, he's devoted to public service even though he could make a fortune in the private sector.Heck,he's a good oldfashion Boy Scout.

When I hear and read this coming from the right and the left, I can't help but wonder if he deliberately wanted to be indicted.

He knew there was no case, no crime committed. He also knew if this ended with the GJ that Plame,Wilson,CIA rogues and reporters would be of the hook.

He needed to get this into the public and a court of law was an obvious way to do it.Since the GJ was secret, he had to expose the plot to destroy the president and our war effort.

A true patriot is capable of anything when his country is threatened. It's my theory and I could be all wet, but who knows?

OK Mike,you can call me nuts now, but think about it.

38 posted on 10/30/2005 11:02:10 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: angkor
Plame (not Libby) has to meet three conditions for there to be a charge for revealing her identity: (a) her status must have been classified, ...

She must be COVERT. As in "nobody is supposed to know she is associated with the CIA at all."

50 USC Section 426.
Definitions

(4) The term ''covert agent'' means -

(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency -
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or

(B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and -
(i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or
(ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or

(C) an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency.

50 USC 426


39 posted on 10/30/2005 11:11:36 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: smoothsailing
OK Mike,you can call me nuts now, but think about it

First the Earthquake Machine last Christmas the Hurricane Machine more recently, now this. Rove and Cheney are devils --- he he he.

40 posted on 10/30/2005 11:19:03 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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