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Mark Steyn: Russia is dying and Islamists will grab parts of the carcass
The Australian ^ | October 31, 2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 10/30/2005 11:04:36 AM PST by Dundee

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To: Juliusz
Already every 6th citizen of Russian Federation is muslim. On top of that Russian Orthodox Church is still getting weaker. Can we expect soon new islamic republic?

There are 10 million Muslims in Russia, a population of 143 million, now tell me again how the 1 in 6 was gotten? I'm waiting. Oh and they breed about as fast as everyone else. That's why the total of Chechens has fallen from 900,000 to 650,000.

61 posted on 10/30/2005 4:57:35 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6; MikeinIraq
It doesn't matter.

No one realistically expects Kasparov to win, or even garner a substantial portion of the vote.

He will be crushed, and not even his most enthusiastic supporters-or even he himself-is insinuating otherwise.

Russians are still in thrall to a profoundly complacent, apathetic mindset.

That brief efflorescence of freedom that occurred in 1991-under Boris Yeltsin-was evanescent.

NTV is gone, the last independent reporter for Izvestiya is gone, and there are virtually no remaining broad-based channels for dissent.

The Russians have returned to the time of Samizdat, and subterranean outlets used by refuseniks to voice dissent from the diktats of the ruling regime.

Whether or not Khasnayov, or Kasparov, or Yavlinsky, or any other opposition leader is properly equipped to do battle with the forces of revanchism and blind allegiance to Putin's autocratic tendencies-and I'm not disputing your assertion that they aren't-is entirely beside the point.

People today-even ex-KGB agents such as Putin-love to valorize the achievements of heroic figures like Solzhenitsyn, Sharansky, Sakharov, Nureyev; cultural, religious, and political dissidents all.

They hail the same individuals that were mercilessly persecuted by their predecessors.

Let me tell you, this idea that they were supported by a silent majority of Russians is complete and utter bunkum.

They were not only a numerical minority, but they were a minority in terms of opinion.

Most people living in the Soviet Union-unfortunately-were reconciled to their misery, lest they provoke an even more harsh reality at the hands of the USSR's internal security apparatus.

The Mitrokhin Archive is illustrative in this regard.

It explores just how successful the KGB-domestic thought police-and FCD-international branch-were in eradicating political opposition with ruthless efficacy.

The sad truth is that, prior to Glastnost and Perestroika-and the arrival of Gorbachev on center stage-Yuri Andropov had almost completely eliminated any significant internal dissent, save for a few implacable religious groups, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses.

This is a perpetual struggle, in which men like Kasparov will ALWAYS be in the distinct minority.

That does not make their fight any less worthy, or mean that their efforts should be denigrated.

62 posted on 10/30/2005 5:10:27 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Dundee

Steyn is right

Christians and Jews...and maybe Sikhs too

need to get down baby and start getting some broods going

I'd hate to see the Moon Rockies whip us like this.

We can do better!

Come on people!

Big Families, Lotsa Children!

it's a tough job...we're counting on ya'll


63 posted on 10/30/2005 5:13:10 PM PST by wardaddy (It's Manana Again in America!)
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To: wardaddy
This is the one area where that lunatic Vladimir Zhironovsky had the right idea!
64 posted on 10/30/2005 5:17:37 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

I think the right folks in the West. (solid responsible conservatives)

....need to have a large families.

and now.


65 posted on 10/30/2005 5:19:41 PM PST by wardaddy (It's Manana Again in America!)
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To: wardaddy
Also:

-Ban Wahhabi prison/military chaplains.

-Make foreign aid to countries like Tanzania, Kenya, Rwanda, Uganda, etc., contingent upon their willingness to restrain the manifestations of radical Islam, and their ability to close Saudi-financed madrassas.

-Demand that Qatar, the UAE, Kuwait, i.e. our client states in the Gulf, immediately allow Christian missionaries to proselytize in their countries.

-Start moving to (covertly) carve up Saudi Arabia, e.g. return the Hijaz to the Hashemites, threaten-in private-to give the Shia in the oil-rich regions of that country military support for any insurgency they're willing to undertake, UNLESS King Abdullah starts catering to our demands...

-Start encouraging the Kurds in Syria to assert their rights, and give their brethren in Iraqi Kurdistan, the peshmergas, carte blanche to assist them.

-Give the Azeris, Kurds, and Afghan refugees the equipment they need to start fomenting trouble for the IRI, before those mad mullahs finally go on line with those nuclear warheads.

66 posted on 10/30/2005 5:29:36 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Lx
If they sell the warhead, the Islamonazis can just smuggle it in a ship.

And the moment it explodes we'll gather up the uranium isotopes and track it down (like a finger print) back to the reactor that created it.

67 posted on 10/30/2005 5:38:07 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: uscabjd

They are losing their rate of growth in population due to ABORTION.

When you kill one child -- you are killing all the children she and he were meant to have, too.


68 posted on 10/30/2005 5:56:06 PM PST by victim soul
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To: victim soul

yep...and we are almost as bad here


69 posted on 10/30/2005 5:57:18 PM PST by wardaddy (It's Manana Again in America!)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Russians are still in thrall to a profoundly complacent, apathetic mindset. That brief efflorescence of freedom that occurred in 1991-under Boris Yeltsin-was evanescent

That statement is almost to funny. What happened under Yeltsin was a small clique of local billionaires and foreign interest raping Russia. Most of the population decline, economic collapse (there was very little real growth as the banking collapse of 98 showed and killed Yeltsin's regime), infrastructural theft and massive debt occurred under Yeltsin. All those liberal parties were the kings of the Duma from 1991-1998.

The Russian people got tired of being raped, poor, miserable and constantly told how dumb they were by the Liberal intelligentsia of Yablaka, SRS, etc and decided to show them where the door was. Good for them.

Oh and as far as Yeltsin and freedom...you mean the same Yeltsin who in 1993 massacred 500 members of parliament and their staffs in the Duma when they refused to sell off Russian assets directly to the Oligarchs and Western special interests (like the chums that Clinton sent over there)? Some freedom....surround the legislature and butcher it with tanks.

70 posted on 10/30/2005 5:58:32 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Dundee
70 per cent of pregnancies are aborted

that is abominable

71 posted on 10/30/2005 5:58:57 PM PST by wardaddy (It's Manana Again in America!)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
NTV is gone, the last independent reporter for Izvestiya is gone, and there are virtually no remaining broad-based channels for dissent.

The Russian government owns one, ONE, television station out of 7 national stations and we're not even going to count the thousands of newspapers.

72 posted on 10/30/2005 5:59:43 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
This is a perpetual struggle, in which men like Kasparov will ALWAYS be in the distinct minority.

Good, since he is much closer to Gore or Kerry then to Bush.

73 posted on 10/30/2005 6:00:25 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: wardaddy

Abortion after 12 weeks is against the law and there is a massive push by the Church, the nationalists and conservatives to end it period. Also the number of abortions have actually been declining from around 80-90% to 70% and dropping.


74 posted on 10/30/2005 6:03:12 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6
Oh and as far as Yeltsin and freedom...you mean the same Yeltsin who in 1993 massacred 500 members of parliament and their staffs in the Duma when they refused to sell off Russian assets directly to the Oligarchs and Western special interests (like the chums that Clinton sent over there)? Some freedom....surround the legislature and butcher it with tanks.

You choose to believe what you want to.


75 posted on 10/30/2005 6:04:55 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: MikeinIraq
The trouble is, they may not have that much time old boy.

L

76 posted on 10/30/2005 6:10:42 PM PST by Lurker (If you don't want an Originalist nominated to the SCOTUS, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: uscabjd

It seems to me that the reason why goes beyond what Mr. Steyn was barking about. You'd think that trend would reverse a bit. Perhaps some more muslim regions in Russia and parts of Siberia will actually break away from the federation. The remainder of Russia might even be better off as a result.


77 posted on 10/30/2005 6:18:21 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Pittsburg Phil

I'll bet you that Russians are more religious now than at any time in the previous century.


79 posted on 10/30/2005 6:19:35 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Dundee
...a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. Today's has come unwrapped: it's a crisis in a disaster inside a catastrophe.

Would this be something similar to a turduckin?

80 posted on 10/30/2005 6:24:27 PM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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