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To: Dundee
"Russia is literally dying. From a population peak in 1992 of 148 million, it will be down to below 130 million by 2015 and thereafter dropping to perhaps 50 or 60 million by the end of the century."

".... most Russian women are voting with their foetus: 70 per cent of pregnancies are aborted."

"Russia is the sick man of Europe, and would still look pretty sick if you moved him to Africa. It has the fastest-growing rate of HIV infection in the world. By 2010, AIDS will be killing between 250,000 and 750,000 Russians every year."

"Russia's got the lot: an African-level AIDS crisis and an Islamist separatist movement sitting on top of the biggest pile of nukes on the planet."

"Russia's calculation is that sooner or later we'll be back in a bipolar world and that, in almost any scenario, there's more advantage in being part of the non-American pole."

Steyn appears to have a good grasp of the situation.

7 posted on 10/30/2005 11:20:48 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo; GarySpFc; RusIvan
"Russia is literally dying. From a population peak in 1992 of 148 million, it will be down to below 130 million by 2015 and thereafter dropping to perhaps 50 or 60 million by the end of the century."

Explain to me, please, how he has a good grasp. Outside of ignoring a surge in births that has been going on for the past 5 years (guess it doesn't fit his argument to well), how does he come up with a number of 130 million? It's not even straight line projections. Yes, the Russian population has fallen off from 148 to 143 million this year, that's a fall of 5 million in 13 years but yet Steyn predicts a drop of 13 million in 9 more years? Sorry that alone doesn't pass the smell test.

Furthermore, the main reason for the drop off and the reason the average lifespan has now rebounded is that with the collapse of the health system in the 1990s, the WW2 generation started a massive die off, which is now ending. Furthermore, immigration was also a major factor, but with a rebounding economy and new opportunities, that is also changing. Furthermore, there is an influx from Ukraine, Belaruss, Africa and Central Asia.

53 posted on 10/30/2005 4:30:52 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Mr. Mojo
"Russia's got the lot: an African-level AIDS crisis and an Islamist separatist movement sitting on top of the biggest pile of nukes on the planet."

What? Steyn is a bold faced liar and propagandist. The Kanook needs to get out of the cold, it's frosted his brain.

From the Christian Science Monitor:

Reluctantly, Russia confronts AIDS About 1 million Russians are estimated to be HIV positive - but officials have been slow to boost funding.

So, that's 1 in 143 or about .6%, less then 1% has HIV and he compares this to Africa which has nations with upto 40% infection rates?

Steyn would make any 'journalist' on CBS, ABC or CNN proud.

54 posted on 10/30/2005 4:41:46 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Mr. Mojo
aren't you tired to write just bad things about Russia and to be happy when you read any trash article from countless russofob?
84 posted on 10/30/2005 7:01:07 PM PST by mm77
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