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Pastor electrocuted during baptism [Texas]
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | October 31, 2005 | AP

Posted on 10/30/2005 5:51:37 PM PST by aculeus

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To: aculeus
That is horrible, especially on what is normally a very joyous day. They need to use a wireless mike. This was a preventable death. Anyone that's ever played guitar and touched a mic that was incorrectly wired knows this.

Prayers for all involved. When my church does baptisms, it's in a member's pool so they don't need a mic although this is something to keep in mind for the future.

I've got an old PA system I'm working on and it has some serious high voltages in it and all it takes is a miswired mike or someone cutting the ground pin off the power plug and you get zapped.

151 posted on 10/31/2005 12:11:27 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: xjcsa

http://www.ubcwaco.org/2004/ubc_holder.html


PRESS RELEASE



From:University Baptist Church , Waco, Texas Leadership Team



Re:University Baptist Church , Waco, Texas / Kyle Lake



Dated: October 31, 2005; 4 :00 p.m.


The congregation of University Baptist Church continues to mourn the loss of its pastor Kyle Lake as a result of an accidental electrocution at services on Sunday, October 30, 2005. The determination of the cause of the accident is being reviewed by technical professionals and authorities. We have no further information available to us at this time about the cause of this tragedy. As a result of the need to allow for the evaluation of the facilities and this accident, Sunday services for November 6, 2005 for University Baptist Church will be moved to the chapel at Truett Seminary.

Our focus at this time is to mourn the loss of Kyle Lake and to celebrate his life with his family, the University Baptist Church congregation and the community.

The funeral services have been scheduled for 1:30 p.m. on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 at First Baptist Church of Waco, 500 Webster – corner of 5th and Clay. Viewing is at 12:00 noon.


152 posted on 10/31/2005 3:45:23 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: The Optimist
University Baptist Church pastor Kyle Lake.
153 posted on 10/31/2005 3:51:48 PM PST by LA Woman3
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To: Hilltop
YOU are the one making this about religion, not I. I am greatly relieved that YOU had no hand in the creation of the universe, else we'd have all been born without humor, and instead with a stick up the butt.

This guy did something that even children know is stupid. In my book, he is a Darwin nominee.

And finally, I'll say whatever I wish, whenever I wish, as you do per the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

154 posted on 10/31/2005 5:22:07 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: theDentist

I did not make this about "religion", it was the obvious nature of the original post.

As for humor, stick to your day job.

As for the rights granted to you under the Constitution, exercise them at will. I glean from your comments nothing more than what I do from the bray of a donkey.

Give me anecdotal evidence of a young child that stated to you that using this microphone in the baptismal was stupid. You can't.

And lastly, I said nothing about your God given right enumerated in the Constitution to self-expression as codified by the founding fathers.

Do not reply, I choose not to engage in mind games with mental midgets.

Deal with it.


155 posted on 10/31/2005 6:15:22 PM PST by Hilltop
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To: Hilltop

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA! Whatever, Mr. Pious.


156 posted on 10/31/2005 7:01:58 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: aculeus
Everybody's in show biz, everybody's an exhibitionist. Why, can't have baptism without a microphone. You heard it here. What brand PA system would Jesus use? Whatever happened to intimacy, privacy, humility?


157 posted on 10/31/2005 7:11:22 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: theDentist

When you claim stupidity, I'll claim piety.

I encouraged you to not respond, you failed to heed my admonishment.

Deal with it.


158 posted on 10/31/2005 7:57:22 PM PST by Hilltop
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To: GrandEagle
I'm ready to go as far as my relationship with my Savior, however, I would not want to go until my children are grown and I have been able to train them in Gods word.

Obviously in this man's case God decided that wasn't necessary.

I am curious as to how successful the alter call was after this event. Who knows how many souls decided not to wait any longer after witnessing this.

159 posted on 10/31/2005 11:24:08 PM PST by Tall_Texan (HOUSTON ASTROS - NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2005)
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To: Richard Kimball

Buuuump!!


160 posted on 10/31/2005 11:27:18 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: theDentist

Ya gotta know your audience...


161 posted on 10/31/2005 11:30:36 PM PST by durasell
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To: HiTech RedNeck

...or perhaps the baptismal pool was in the spin cycle.


162 posted on 10/31/2005 11:35:51 PM PST by Tall_Texan (HOUSTON ASTROS - NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2005)
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To: Hilltop

Nah, I'll respond to your "admonishment", because your are not my father, or THE Father. You're just frustrated because someone dares speak back to you. Perhaps you should seek help. :)


163 posted on 11/01/2005 4:06:53 AM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: theDentist

Tell you what. I am sorry you took it all the wrong way. It was meant in dark humor. From here on, I'll only send replies via private message if warranted. No sense bickering publicly.


164 posted on 11/01/2005 5:13:33 AM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Tall_Texan
Who knows how many souls decided not to wait any longer after witnessing this.
Very true. I wasn't questioning the event. Only commenting that I didn't see the humor.

Cordially,
GE
165 posted on 11/01/2005 5:30:20 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Revolting cat!

Usually they wear waders (like fly fishermen do), at least if they have a robe on. Churches like UBC, however, are much less formal than traditional churches. It is possible he was in shorts and a t-shirt (I don't know that with any certainty, though).


166 posted on 11/01/2005 5:40:58 AM PST by twntaipan (Tagline space for sale or rent.)
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To: WildTurkey

From a local print story, they reported that there were 800 in attendance (200 above the average attendance for some reason) and that those who were not involved in physically assisting did exactly that. They prayed for the pastor and his family until the EMS arrived and took him away.


167 posted on 11/01/2005 7:33:40 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: Richard Kimball

Tragic, just tragic.


168 posted on 11/01/2005 7:36:21 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush and the SAPPS)
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To: CindyDawg

From a local print article, the woman was not yet all the way in the baptismal and did receive a shock and was taken to the hospital for observation.


169 posted on 11/01/2005 7:37:45 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

Was he a proponent of intelligent design?


170 posted on 11/01/2005 11:44:22 AM PST by Jeremiah Jr ("Tzohar Ta’aseh LaTayvah'' Bereishet 6:16 / T.O.E. = Unification = Echad!)
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To: aculeus; Candor7; LA Woman3; Texas2step; Lx; The Optimist; Jessarah; Ciexyz; Cold Heat; ...
Update from today's Dallas Morning News - it may not have been the microphone after all:

"Others said it appeared that a piece of band equipment fell in the water in which he was standing."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/110205dntexpastor.1b20e07a.html
(Registration required, or use Bugmenot)

Also, to the question from one poster as to why there was a large crowd, family and alumni were in town for Homecoming at Baylor.

I tried to ping most of the folks who expressed serious interest (apologies for any of those omitted), while leaving out the jerks.
171 posted on 11/01/2005 3:28:23 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35
Thanks for the PING.

GE
172 posted on 11/01/2005 3:39:08 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: PAR35
Hmmmmmm.....

Don't know for sure, but he may have pulled a small PA amp in with him. Hard to say if he got shocked first or after...

It really just tells us all that we are mortal and on borrowed time, so make the most of what you have and know that you may not get the chance to do it later.

A 19 year old friend of my son was killed over the weekend bu smoke inhalation after a fire started in his closet while he was sleeping. Prelim results of the investigation seem to indicate a light fixture, (fluorescent) as the culprit.

There are many pitfalls to living, and there is no such thing as a safe environment.
173 posted on 11/01/2005 3:42:06 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: theDentist
that was not nice. My mother knows this young man and his family. It was a freak accident, and to happen at Baylors Homecoming didn't help matters. His children are very young, including a set of 2 year old twins.

Prayers for his lovely wife and his children.

174 posted on 11/01/2005 3:43:54 PM PST by N8VTXNinWV
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To: theDentist

What a horrible and evil thing to say. That man probably suffered a great deal.

All of us have done something stupid, it's what makes us human.


175 posted on 11/01/2005 3:44:58 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: PAR35
Thanks for the ping.
... Some of the more than 800 in the congregation, mostly Baylor University students and their families in town for homecoming weekend, said Lake cried out for help after adjusting a microphone. Others said it appeared that a piece of band equipment fell in the water in which he was standing...

If it was a piece of equipment then that is extreme carelessness on someone's part. OTOH, the mic story makes sense. I would expect a piece of equipment powered up and dropped in the water would blow a breaker before the Pastor and anyone else unlucky enough to be in the water was electrocuted. Of course it doesn't take much current to kill someone, far less than it would take to trip a 20 amp breaker so who knows. Horrible, horrible outcome either way.
176 posted on 11/01/2005 3:45:48 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: diamond6

On the contrary, it was probably rather quick. yes yes, I've been taken to the woodshed already, and apologies are offered. The truth is, if this were an engineer at a bday party doing the same, a lot more "darwin nominee" postings would have appeared. And it was NOT a criticism of his being a Pastor, it's observant that a man who should know better still did something so utterly dumb.


177 posted on 11/01/2005 3:54:36 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: LibertarianInExile

You must be all of 15 if you think 33 is a ripe old age.

While you may find it amusing - it isn't for most of society when a young man - with a young family loses his life.


178 posted on 11/01/2005 3:59:36 PM PST by pamlet
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To: Tall_Texan
The humor doesn't bother me, coming from people who care but I was thinking today that I doubt he wanted to die. God gives us a strong will to live or we would be killing ourselves every time we have hardships. However, to die, glorifying the Lord....
179 posted on 11/01/2005 4:14:05 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Texas2step
From a local print story, they reported that there were 800 in attendance (200 above the average attendance for some reason) and that those who were not involved in physically assisting did exactly that.

Doesn't say much for the power of prayer if several hundred in the Lord's house can't get a little favor from God.

180 posted on 11/01/2005 4:46:42 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: PAR35
Update from today's Dallas Morning News - it may not have been the microphone after all: "Others said it appeared that a piece of band equipment fell in the water in which he was standing."

"Others said". Presents alternate view but still presents the microphone as the primary possibility.

181 posted on 11/01/2005 4:49:56 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: WildTurkey

We accept Gods will but we pray until we know what it is. Remember David's little son?


182 posted on 11/01/2005 4:50:17 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: theDentist

I would have to go back and review the rules. Isn't it required that the person remove himself from the gene pool before he procreates?


183 posted on 11/01/2005 4:53:15 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: WildTurkey

Perhaps, but there's no saying he couldn't have again.


184 posted on 11/01/2005 4:55:04 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: CindyDawg
We accept Gods will but we pray until we know what it is.

Then by ignoring hundreds of prayers in "his house" God was thumbing his nose at the whole congregation?

185 posted on 11/01/2005 4:55:43 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: WildTurkey

It's a Christian thing:') Saying, when we pray that God must do what we ask and if He doesn't then He is ignoring us would be us thunbing our nose at Him.


186 posted on 11/01/2005 4:59:13 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: pamlet

First off, I was talking about MY death, Ms. Sanctimony.

Second off, I don't think I asked for your perspective on how society feels. If I want to go somewhere to get the touchy-feely bent on things, I'll go hang out on DU. Maybe you should hang out there, too. Plenty of sensitive hippy-type men over there. With the importance you place on how society feels, you'd probably fit right in with the libs anyway.


187 posted on 11/01/2005 5:59:38 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (ALITO! Nice Call! Lookin' good, Dubya!)
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To: PAR35
"Others said it appeared that a piece of band equipment fell in the water in which he was standing."

Huh, it "appeared"? Would there be a wet amplifier to show for it?

188 posted on 11/01/2005 6:32:56 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: diamond6

By the way, you HAVE written all the others who talked about his being a Darwin Award nominee, or made other dark jests as well, right?


189 posted on 11/01/2005 6:41:45 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: PAR35; aculeus; Candor7; LA Woman3; Texas2step; Lx; The Optimist; Jessarah; Ciexyz; Cold Heat
Pastor remembered for reaching outsiders

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/10/30/20051101wacpastorslegacy.html

University Baptist Church leaders say they hope their church can continue the “outside-the-box” thinking employed by pastor Kyle Lake to draw young people to God.

Lake, who was electrocuted Sunday morning while touching a microphone as he stood in the baptistery, had a passion for reaching people turned off by traditional Christian settings, said Blair Browning, a member of UBC since its inception in 1995.

“To me, Kyle's greatest attribute was his approachability,” Browning said, adding that many who otherwise would not have visited a traditional church were drawn to UBC because of Lake's approach.

“He didn't make you feel dumb for asking questions, ” he said, adding that Lake's ability to relate well with others and be accessible enabled him to develop the church community the way leaders envisioned.

Lake, 33, was not a sharply attired, preacher-in-the-pulpit kind of pastor. He preferred jeans and T-shirts and spoke in a conversational style, often sitting on a stool with typed notes and Bible in hand.

A husband and father of three young children, family stories were often used as examples to drive his points home during sermons. ,BR>
Browning said Lake, who served as community pastor before becoming head pastor at UBC in 1999, also never gave cut-and-dried answers when someone came to him with a problem or personal issue. It was a subject Lake addressed in his first book, Understanding the Will of God: How to Hack the Equation Without Formulas.

Lake's honesty, concern for others and his devotion to helping UBC grow are what drew people into the church, Browning said.

“There's an interesting interview (with Lake) on The Leadership Blog, and it's perfect Kyle,” he said. “The last question was, ‘Where do you see yourself in 10 years?' and Kyle wrote, ‘Hopefully in the same place. Pastor of University Baptist Church in Waco, Texas.'

“This was his community and his home. He was connected to it.”

Jana Parker, who coordinates the children's ministry at the church, said she hopes UBC will continue “being that church for people who don't like going to church, for people who are burned out on traditional church.”

Parker said her introduction to the church in 2001 was a breath of fresh air.

“Kyle showed us that Christianity is something we can do, something that people can live. It doesn't have to fit in a box or look a certain way,” she said.

Parker doesn't believe Lake was the focal point of the church, but rather he was an integral part of it and someone who embodied UBC's vision of challenging people to know God.

“God is our foundation, and that will not move,” she said. “I think Kyle would want us to continue being different and continue being on the cutting edge. I hope the church will continue to think outside the box.” Lake is survived by his wife, Jennifer, his 5-year-old daughter and 3-year-old twin sons. A viewing will be held at noon today at First Baptist Church of Waco, at the corner of Fifth Street and Clay Avenue. Funeral services will follow at 1:30 p.m.

Lake's family has asked that donations be made in lieu of flowers to University Baptist Church, 1701 Dutton Ave., Waco, Texas 76706.
190 posted on 11/01/2005 7:05:51 PM PST by LA Woman3
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To: theDentist

Unbelievable.


191 posted on 11/01/2005 7:09:38 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: aculeus
This Church is at 1701 Dutton Ave.

Do you know how many emergency EMTs are within minutes of this place?

Why in the heck did amateurs try to revive him for 40 (forty!) minutes/

The paramedics could have been there in minutes. What gives?
192 posted on 11/01/2005 7:27:12 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: PAR35

Thanks for the follow up.


193 posted on 11/01/2005 7:35:44 PM PST by Issaquahking (Isalm the religion of hate.If I were a koran reading radical muslim I'd kill you to prove it!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well, any trial lawyer should be able to tell you that eye witness testimony is the least reliable evidence that there is (unless it is needed for his present case). So take with a grain of salt what anyone says that they saw.

I did see an article this evening (I think from the Waco paper) They dug up another microphone electrocution from Louisiana a few years ago. That one was traced to an ungrounded mic.


194 posted on 11/01/2005 9:04:50 PM PST by PAR35
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To: diamond6

Thanks. I be here all zee month.


195 posted on 11/02/2005 6:31:56 AM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

Yrs: "Why in the heck did amateurs try to revive him for 40 (forty!) minutes/"

There were about 700 people at the service, among the congregation were several physicians ( M.D.s).


196 posted on 11/02/2005 3:12:02 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Candor7

"Several physicians" in the congregation don't carry all the equipment a paramedic would have. Last time I went to church, I did not see the local church-going physicians toting in automated external defibrillators into church.

Did these people really not call 911?


197 posted on 11/02/2005 3:27:17 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: StarCMC

"...GREAT case for sprinkling.."

Convenient, but not Biblical.


198 posted on 11/07/2005 1:59:06 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

(I'm SBC - it was a joke)


199 posted on 11/07/2005 2:46:51 PM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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