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Pastor electrocuted during baptism [Texas]
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | October 31, 2005 | AP

Posted on 10/30/2005 5:51:37 PM PST by aculeus

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51 posted on 10/30/2005 6:35:56 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: neodad

You would be surprised the U.S. stories they get Down Under. It's a tad disturbing.


52 posted on 10/30/2005 6:36:27 PM PST by newzjunkey (CA: YES on Prop 73-77! Unions outspending Arnold 3:1, HELP: http://www.joinarnold.com)
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To: WildTurkey

:)


53 posted on 10/30/2005 6:36:42 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: Drago

Non-conducting tub and plastic piping wouldn't be a bad idea either.


54 posted on 10/30/2005 6:38:00 PM PST by Lessismore
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To: aculeus

55 posted on 10/30/2005 6:39:43 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: RichInOC
For future reference...battery-powered wireless mikes.
And ground-fault interrupters on the sound system.
56 posted on 10/30/2005 6:41:22 PM PST by Not now, Not ever! (This tag-line is temporarily closed for remodeling)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
I have watched pastors do this myself.

What? Baptize by immersion? Or electrocute themselves doing so?

-ccm

57 posted on 10/30/2005 6:41:46 PM PST by ccmay (Beware the fury of a patient man.)
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To: newzjunkey
Why chest compressions for 40 minutes? Was there no EMT service available? No defibrillator?

Good question. In a young, healthy person who has suffered an electrical shock or lightning strike injury, resuscitation efforts should continue longer than 40 minutes and include plenty of attempts to defibrillate. People have been revived without permanent damage 2 or 3 hours after such an injury, if they received proper care.

-ccm

58 posted on 10/30/2005 6:45:37 PM PST by ccmay (Beware the fury of a patient man.)
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To: aculeus
You can come in the hot tub baby, but leave the microphone behind!


59 posted on 10/30/2005 6:46:00 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: manwiththehands

Yeah. Some of us are.


60 posted on 10/30/2005 6:47:01 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: netmilsmom

Hey,

The Big Guy just reached out and took him home.

He died in the saddle. Reason to celebrate ( I'm Irish).

Thats the problem with doing the Lords work.
Every thing you teach may have to be demonstrated, on the spot!! This is a good reminder that the Lord is always
with us and can intervene at any time, any time at all.

Bless him and his family. May they all receive the kindness of heaven.


61 posted on 10/30/2005 6:47:40 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: newzjunkey

Something is wrong with this story. I would have thought that they would all have dropped to their knees and prayed. No mention that.


62 posted on 10/30/2005 6:50:40 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: aculeus

I could've read nicer replys at the DUmp.


63 posted on 10/30/2005 6:53:14 PM PST by Krodg
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To: manwiththehands
"Some people just deal with tragedy with humor."

That is true and some either don't get that or they are simply trying to appear "holier-than-thou".

What happened to this pastor-in-a-tub is indeed a tragedy and I think it was more a case of absent-mindedness than stupidity. Years ago, I rented a hotel room with a hot tub and before I got into it, I put my portable radio on the edge of it so I could listen to it while I sat in there. After about a half hour of soaking, I came to the sudden realization that if this radio (which was plugged into a wall outlet) was to fall into the tub, I'd probably be a dead man! So I very carefully (but quickly) got out of the tub and moved the radio a safe distance away.

SO this kind of thing could happen to any one of us.

I do want to go on record that if I ever was to die a tragic death, I give full permission for others here to make puns about me, nominate me for the Darwin award and come up with other witticisms that might apply to the circumstances my sudden demise. I would expect nothing less!

All of us are going to go sooner or later. I'd rather go out with a whimper than with a bang, but I don't think I have much choice in the matter.

64 posted on 10/30/2005 6:55:03 PM PST by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: SamAdams76

A pastor not ready for heaven
Should not crank the amp to eleven.


65 posted on 10/30/2005 6:58:40 PM PST by JennysCool (Non-Y2K-Compliant)
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To: CindyDawg

Is this the current thread on this topic?


66 posted on 10/30/2005 6:59:49 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Apparently there are alternating current posts on this topic.


67 posted on 10/30/2005 7:02:21 PM PST by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: McLynnan

I would wager that there is a University Baptist Church in Lubbock, Dallas, College Station, Austin, and any other place that has a University in their city.


68 posted on 10/30/2005 7:04:44 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: SamAdams76

Well on such a touchy topic one cannot be too direct.


69 posted on 10/30/2005 7:05:23 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: aculeus
MEMO to self:

From now on must sing in shower without the Marshall sound system.

70 posted on 10/30/2005 7:06:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: LibertarianInExile
I agree with your views on being able to joke about death.

I tell everyone that in my twenties I didn't think I would ever die.In my thirties I hoped to be found dead with a twenty-one year old girl on top of me.In my forties I hoped to be found dead with a fishing pole in my hand.Now approaching fifty I just hope to not die at work.

71 posted on 10/30/2005 7:06:12 PM PST by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I think so, unless I get a "no thanks" when I hit this post button.


72 posted on 10/30/2005 7:06:15 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: WildTurkey

Yeah. Someting is wrong.

First of all it happened at the University Baptist Church in Waco, Texas,

Secondly, the church took this pretty hard.Perhaps foul play may not have been ruled out yet.


Their usual web site is down, even the cached pages have been wiped off google, and they put up a holding page:

http://www.ubcwaco.org/2004/ubc_holder.html



This morning, Sunday October 30th, our pastor Kyle Lake was involved in an accident during a baptism and was transported by EMS to a nearby hospital. Kyle passed away around 11:30am. Not only did we lose a pastor but we've lost our friend. Funeral services are pending and we will update the website as soon as we have more information.
There will be a gathering tonight at 8pm at First Baptist Church Waco which is located on the Corner of 5th and Clay. This is a chance for reflection, an opportunity to be with friends and to pray. There will be counselors available if anyone needs to talk to anyone.

We are confident that Kyle is in heaven today because of his trust in Jesus Christ as his Savior.

“And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. “ -1 John 5:11-13

Please continue to keep the Lake family in your prayers.


Thank you,
UBC


73 posted on 10/30/2005 7:07:31 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Is this the current thread on this topic?

Yes. The previous thread was zapped.

74 posted on 10/30/2005 7:07:47 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: aculeus

Portable bullhorn.


75 posted on 10/30/2005 7:07:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: CindyDawg

It is probably best to switch the subject.


76 posted on 10/30/2005 7:08:13 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

While interest in this story is surging, we do need to suppress it on account of some people having short fuses.


77 posted on 10/30/2005 7:11:47 PM PST by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: WildTurkey

Thanks for the info at least I'm on solid ground.


78 posted on 10/30/2005 7:12:58 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SamAdams76
While interest in this story is surging, we do need to suppress it on account of some people having short fuses.

You mean we should reverse the polarity?

79 posted on 10/30/2005 7:13:56 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: SamAdams76

Some posters have been given a lot of static.


80 posted on 10/30/2005 7:14:07 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Candor7
Perhaps foul play may not have been ruled out yet.

The jolt could have come from several places. Perhaps the water rather than the microphone was electrified (as by leakage from heaters that keep the baptismal from getting cold). The microphone then being grounded provided the current path. Does the baptismal have underwater lights like a pool? Another source of current leakage. Someone using a cheater plug to plug a three-prong amplifier plug into an old two slot outlet, combined with electrical leakage existing in the amplifier's power supply. Or the amplifier plugged into a power outlet that has the ground prong wired to the hot side of the line. (Not even a GFCI can help in that situation.)

81 posted on 10/30/2005 7:14:50 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Thanks for the info at least I'm on solid ground.

He should of known. Basic electricity says it is the "amps" that kill, not the voltage.

82 posted on 10/30/2005 7:15:42 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: newzjunkey
Why chest compressions for 40 minutes? Was there no EMT service available? No defibrillator?

they just probably kept doing the resuscitation for 40 minutes... it was a "witnessed" arrest. The thing that folks don't realize is a lot of times with electricity, an area of the brain that controls that breathing is affected for longer than the cardiac muscle... that's why you keep plugging away with electrical injuries..... or so I've heard.

83 posted on 10/30/2005 7:16:43 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: WildTurkey

You being a gobbler again. I'm sure those who weren't the doctors helping did pray. So what?


84 posted on 10/30/2005 7:17:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The person that was to be baptised didn't get shocked. If they were already in, wouldn't it have got him/her too if it was the water.


85 posted on 10/30/2005 7:18:37 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
The person that was to be baptised didn't get shocked. If they were already in, wouldn't it have got him/her too if it was the water.

The current would flow around them.

86 posted on 10/30/2005 7:19:42 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: aculeus; Jeremiah Jr; the-ironically-named-proverbs2; Lijahsbubbe
"He was grabbing the microphone so everyone could hear,"
87 posted on 10/30/2005 7:20:34 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: aculeus

Baptizing without a license.


88 posted on 10/30/2005 7:20:40 PM PST by irons_player
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To: WildTurkey

It might be very little if the mike was the electrified entity and the pastor was standing on a directly grounded object such as a metal drain cover. But it would not be zero.


89 posted on 10/30/2005 7:22:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Follow the thread.


90 posted on 10/30/2005 7:24:36 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: aculeus
Sicker than gallows humour is in the cat's view sanctimonious posturing. When Rosa Parks died, there were posts here that read:

"Condolences to the family."

Now, forgive me for stating the obvious, but if you want to send condolences to the family, then go ahead and send them to the family by FedEx, Western Union or snail mail, and don't tell us, we don't need to know, and not posture by typing anonymously on an internet forum "Condolences to the family", that the family is not likely to read and if it does it will likely to be offended by someone representing himself as, say, Revolting cat! sending condolences to it. Pleeeze!

91 posted on 10/30/2005 7:25:41 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: WildTurkey

Or vice versa, if the metal object was electrified from leakage. I assume you did take Electricity 101 in high school. (I is an electrical injunear)


92 posted on 10/30/2005 7:25:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: SamAdams76

I want to die in my sleep like my grandpa, not screaming an
yelling like the people in his car.Old old joke


93 posted on 10/30/2005 7:26:00 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: ccmay
Why chest compressions for 40 minutes? Was there no EMT service available? No defibrillator?>

De-fibrillation killed him. A church that size probably already has an AED and I doubt it took EMS 40 minutes to get there. They probably worked with him that long . He had Drs there. They could do anything an ER could at that point, most likely. He was probably flat lined.

94 posted on 10/30/2005 7:26:06 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

A question, did they check the mike and baptismal to verify that yes, there was an electrical potential? Maybe he actually had a heart attack.


95 posted on 10/30/2005 7:28:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: WildTurkey

I meant if it was from something besides the microphone.


96 posted on 10/30/2005 7:28:40 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Good question. They didn't document what they witnessed.


97 posted on 10/30/2005 7:29:36 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It might be very little if the mike was the electrified entity and the pastor was standing on a directly grounded object such as a metal drain cover. But it would not be zero.

very, very little. Not enough to kill.

98 posted on 10/30/2005 7:30:08 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: CindyDawg

Interesting question because if he collapsed upon seizing the mike, he AND the mike would have fallen into the water. And yes, then the potential for zapping the baptizee.


99 posted on 10/30/2005 7:30:52 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: Issaquahking

The only power going to a microphone should be +48V DC, referred to as phantom power. Would that kill someone? Or was there some sort of electrical failure?


100 posted on 10/30/2005 7:31:11 PM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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