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Truth on Trial--What you can no longer say about our enemy in the terror war.
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | October 31, 2005 | Phyllis Chesler

Posted on 10/31/2005 5:46:25 AM PST by SJackson

Are we winning the war against terror or more precisely, against the death-cult ideology of extreme hate that employs terror as one of its weapons? America, Britain and Israel have all committed significant sums of money to fight back militarily and to ensure civilian safety. However, we must fight another very hot war, one which will ultimately decide whether Western Civilization lives or dies. This is a war we are not winning and some argue that it is a war we have not yet even begun to fight.

I am talking about The Culture War, the war that must be fought to oppose the campaign of lies and propaganda that Islamists and western Stalinists launched against the West, beginning with Israel, arguably anywhere from forty to seventy years ago.

The Culture War is a very hot war: no prisoners are taken, no mercy is shown. And there are now penalties for trying to tell the truth about the danger of jihad or about the barbaric and pathological nature of militant Islam today. Indeed, if you try to discuss the Islamic religious and gender apartheid and its dangerous proliferation into Europe and North America (i.e. there have been honor killings in Cincinnati, St. Louis, Chicago, Jersey City, Toronto, as well as all over Europe and in the Muslim world), this is what will happen to you:

If you tell these truths in the Arab and Muslim world, you’ll be beheaded, probably tortured, certainly jailed, exiled if you are lucky. Many Muslim and Christian dissidents have suffered precisely this fate. There are no more Jews there, the Islamist Caliphate has rendered the entire Middle East Judenrein long ago. Try to say this in Europe and you might be butchered, as Theo Von Gogh was, or simply imprisoned in purdah, veiled, or threatened, forced to go into hiding, or honor-murdered as so many Muslim girls and women are.

Try to tell the moral tragedy that the United Nations represents, or the even greater tragedy that the word “Palestine” has come to represent objectively, and therefore in a non-politically correct way, on European and on North American campuses, or on the increasingly left-dominated liberal media airwaves, and you may not be shot on the spot, but you will be slandered and called a “racist” and a “fascist.” I have been called both.

If you are a North American intellectual, you may not be imprisoned or be-headed but you will be heckled, mocked, and shunned. You might need security in order to speak. If you’re a feminist, you will no longer be taken seriously as an intellectual, nor will you be “heard.”

Expose the permanent Intifada against Western Civilization and against the Jews and you will be sued and driven into exile, as Oriana Fallaci has been, or sued and prevented from traveling to certain countries, as Rachel Ehrenfeld has been. You will be sued and silenced in all those places where you were once published, even lionized. Dare to say that the torturer and genocidal tyrant, Saddam Hussein, is on trial today only because of America and Iraq’s sacrifice and their bold vision of democracy and you will be called a reactionary, a liar, a fool, and the worse epithet of all: a conservative.

Both Western leftists and Islamists brandish many tools against America and Israel in this war. Their first weapon is the systematic misuse of language. Mainstream and liberal newspapers write about “insurgents,” not “terrorists,” whom they describe as “martyrs,” not “killers, and as “freedom fighters,” not as “well educated evil men.”

Anti-American and anti-Israel demonstrators, who are clearly and visibly filled with hate and rage, are described as “peace activists.” Anti-Semitism is legitimized, while the slightest criticism of Islam is banned because of the disallowance of “Islamophobia.” Telling the truth has become an offense which is unprotected by free speech doctrines, which instead protect the telling of lies.

I was once held captive in Kabul, Afghanistan. I experienced, first-hand, what life is like in a Muslim country, one that has never been colonized by the West. I learned that it was both foolish and dangerous to romanticize Third World countries. And, I learned first-hand, that evil and barbarism exist a priori, and are not caused by western imperialism or colonialism or by the “Zionist entity.” It’s where I also learned to reject the doctrine of multiculturalism, that teaches that all cultures are equal, formerly colonized cultures even more so. This leads to isolationism and non-interventionism and condemns millions of civilians to Islamist torture, terror and genocide.

Although, to their credit, a handful of feminist activists and journalists have sounded the alarm, once America invaded Afghanistan, these very activists, all Democratic Party operatives, swiftly opposed the military routing of the Taliban. And why? Because the expedition had not been undertaken, apparently, with women in mind. It’s as if they did not think that bin Laden’s terrorism kills women too.

I hold the Western academy, including the feminist academy, which has been utterly Palestinianized, responsible for failing to expose and condemn the realities of Islamic gender apartheid. I know feminist graduate students who are busy “de-constructing” the veil, polygamy and arranged marriage as possible expressions of feminist or female power—no different than the bikini. None have congratulated President Bush on his excellent choice of Condoleeza Rice as Secretary of State and none have given her the slightest credit for her pro-woman, pro-human rights and pro-Israel speeches.

The number of lies being told in the Western academy and among western activists are literally beyond belief. Here’s one: Mohammed was really great to women, especially to one Safiya bint Huyay whom he married—even though she was Jewish. Yes. But first he beheaded her father and her husband and exterminated her entire village. And then he forced poor Safiya to convert to Islam before he married her. This disinformation campaign leaves me speechless.

Our own intelligentsia—our professors—are so politically correct and so multi-culturally relativist, that they refuse to call “barbaric” the act of stoning a woman to death because she was raped or because she refused to marry her first cousin. Nor will they denounce subjecting women to genital mutilation and public gang-rape as “barbaric.” Nor did American media commentators who showed the Palestinian lynching of two Israeli reservists in Ramallah in 2000 describe the event, which they played over and over again, as “barbaric.”

The intelligentsia did not describe what was done to us on 9/11 as “barbaric” either. Indeed, I know American and European intellectuals who are convinced that America and Israel are the greatest barbarians of all, and that we deserved 9/11. According to Islamists and Western academics and journalists, Bin Laden is not an “Islamo-fascist." To them, President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon are the “Nazi fascists.”

And then there is that vast industry of Palestinian, Arab League and United Nations funded and distributed doctored footage and fake film massacres, fake gun battles, the faked death of Palestinian children at Jewish and Israeli hands. Our Islamist opponents have turned out this propaganda nonstop around the world.

As propagandists, they are far more sophisticated than Goebbels, and far more patient. We cannot afford to underestimate their skill at telling Big Lies. Islamists understood that if they funded madrassas in the East and Middle Eastern Institutes in the West, and if they funded the total Palestinianization of the United Nations and of every international human rights groups that in thirty to fifty years, they would have brainwashed generations to see things their way.

Islam is sacred -- it cannot be insulted. Imagined slights are as important as real slights. Lies have as much weight as the truth. Whether American military forces did or did not flush a Koran down the toilet does not matter. What matters is that Muslims thought they did. No penance is good enough to atone for this crime.

Millions of people have been systematically brainwashed against America, against Israel, against Jews, against women and against the western concept of truth, objectivity, truth-telling, and independent thinking. All are under siege.

We have a serious fifth column in our midst, one that has made common cause with Islamists against us, one that has been well funded by Arab oil billionaires for more than forty years. Now, George Soros too, a fifth column General who, for a variety of reasons, has actually been leading the cultural war against the West. They are fools—but they are dangerous fools. Do they think they will be spared because they are so politically correct? Do they think that they would enjoy the same freedom of speech in Mecca or Tehran that they enjoy in the West?

What must we do in the face of this tyrannical threat? We must rescue language. It must bear some relationship to the truth and morality. Everything is not relative. It is not all Rashomon. We must not allow our media or academics to continue to insist that Islam is not the problem, but that even if it is, that we cannot say so, lest we be deemed racist. We must teach the history of jihad against infidels, and the history of how infidels (Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians) were treated under Islam. We must insist that criticism of America and Israel be balanced, not pathological, obsessive and cult-like as it is now. We must insist on civility in public discourse. We must model it for the coming generations.

We must fund seriously a collective effort to combat vulgar lies and vilification, the propaganda against us which has brainwashed countless generations.

We need a War Room effort to counter the Big Lies. We need international radio and television channels to educate people. We need to teach people about intellectual diversity and tolerance.

This country has birthed two significant waves of feminism. We must now take that feminist vision global. We need our foreign policy to contain serious provisions about women’s rights abroad. Otherwise, democracy cannot and will not evolve or flourish in Muslim countries.

The way I see it, everything is at stake. This is a time when we must all be heroes. We must all stand up to evil in our lifetime. We must acknowledge that Islamist terrorism is evil and has no justification. We must teach this to our children. We must support Muslim and Arab dissidents in their fight against Islamic tyranny and gender apartheid. We can do this. We must do this. Otherwise, we will die, and our history and our values and our entire way of life will die with us. If we fail, we will betray all that we believe in as a free people.


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To: Fred Nerks
you mean the aspens that turn red in the fall in clusters because their roots are connected?

Yep, you got it! You know, those aspens are now "covering" the ground?

(Mind you, I think many will simply go back to their hell-holes in the ME, or heaven forbid, attempt to migrate to the US!)

Are you kidding? Attempt to migrate? They will be welcomed here with open arms. Supported by the Government they will continue to build mosques and train terrorists and...well, you know where I'm going with this.

51 posted on 10/31/2005 8:46:45 PM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless The Troops!)
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To: jan in Colorado
The author states:
Their first weapon is the systematic misuse of language.

Then follows that sentence with...
Mainstream and liberal newspapers write

Call me crazy, but according to the definition of the word, our newspapers and media ARE NOT mainstream.

SYLLABICATION: main·stream
PRONUNCIATION: mnstrm
NOUN: The prevailing current of thought, influence, or activity.
ADJECTIVE: Representing the prevalent attitudes, values, and practices of a society or group: mainstream morality.

Let's begin by taking back the use of the language. We can refer to the media, the press, periodicals etc. without prefacing the word with "mainstream."

we have to contend with the enemy from within...the liberals and the MSM.

You are absolutely correct Jan.

I can't tell the difference between the islamo-fascists and the pinko's.

I know just what you mean. So far we do still have our heads attached to our necks/shoulders, though. Let's give credit where it's due. ;*)

52 posted on 10/31/2005 8:49:31 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: Justanobody
Call me crazy, but according to the definition of the word, our newspapers and media ARE NOT mainstream.

Great point! Would you say the media, both TV and newspaper, for the most part are just tools for the Democratic party?

So far we do still have our heads attached to our necks/shoulders, though.

True...those "peaceful", loving pinko's would NEVER "intentionally" cut your heads off...but they sure set it up to have EIGHT police cars respond to your counter-protest! Lucky for you there weren't any trigger happy policemen responding that night!

53 posted on 10/31/2005 9:04:38 PM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless The Troops!)
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To: Justanobody

'Let's begin by taking back the use of the language. We can refer to the media, the press, periodicals etc. without prefacing the word with "mainstream."'

Point taken. I am prepared to make a correction and never use the word 'mainstream' again, it's just a habit.

'Twould be nice to coin a replacement that really catches on. Any ideas?


54 posted on 10/31/2005 9:09:45 PM PST by Fred Nerks (See my bio page for link to pdf download; THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD.)
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To: jan in Colorado
Would you say the media, both TV and newspaper, for the most part are just tools for the Democratic party?

Yes...demonRATS, commies, socialists, terrorists - who can tell them apart. The answer is still a resounding YES!

those "peaceful", loving pinko's would NEVER "intentionally" cut your heads off...

LOL!!! That is why I don't get to close to them - one never knows what they may do "unintentionally" ;*)

55 posted on 10/31/2005 9:11:46 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: Fred Nerks; Justanobody
Point taken. I am prepared to make a correction and never use the word 'mainstream' again, it's just a habit.

I use MSM because we all know what that means!

Great idea, Fred. We need a replacement...

OK, justanobody, you always have great ideas that I love to plagiarize ;o)

56 posted on 10/31/2005 9:14:59 PM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless The Troops!)
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To: Fred Nerks
I am prepared to make a correction and never use the word 'mainstream' again

WooHoo! One down and millions to go!

coin a replacement that really catches on. Any ideas?

Well, Tony Snow uses "Has Been" media, HBM. Many have used "Lamestream" media, LSM. I've heard the terms Old, Dinasour, Treasonous...

Presstitutes, Media Whores etc have been used to refer to the "reporters"

Anything strike your fancy. Other suggestions?

57 posted on 10/31/2005 9:18:00 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: Justanobody

How's this?

Enemy + Media = Enemedia.


58 posted on 10/31/2005 9:19:47 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: jan in Colorado
I don't know Jan...we have the same brain tonight. Now I know how President Bush feels about Karl! LOL!

On the up side, if we share a brain, it is not really plagiarism, is it? ;*)

59 posted on 10/31/2005 9:20:45 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: RandallFlagg
Enemedia

I like it!!!

Think it might be confused with Enema + Media? LOL!

60 posted on 10/31/2005 9:22:26 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: Justanobody
I was going to leave out "for the most part", but I didn't want to be too cynical. LOL

I guess that's why YOU have the "attitude" problem.

Don't get too close and don't EVER turn your back on them!

61 posted on 10/31/2005 9:23:11 PM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless The Troops!)
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To: Justanobody

Either one has something to do with that bodily area. Either one works for the purpose.


62 posted on 10/31/2005 9:24:14 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: jan in Colorado
Yeah, my attitude ... prolly needs some adjustments!

The last time I turned my back on those things I was assaulted. I learn fast.

63 posted on 10/31/2005 9:25:41 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: RandallFlagg; jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks
So ... we are taking votes on Enemedia.

What say y'all?

64 posted on 10/31/2005 9:27:29 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: Justanobody

ENEMEDIA!

THE ENEMEDIA!

Why didn't I think of that? LOL!


65 posted on 10/31/2005 9:38:09 PM PST by Fred Nerks (See my bio page for link to pdf download; THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD.)
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To: Justanobody; RandallFlagg; Fred Nerks
Enemedia? Hey, it came from a fellow Coloradan...I like it!
66 posted on 10/31/2005 9:38:39 PM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless The Troops!)
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To: RandallFlagg; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado

"THE ENEMEDIA!"

Looking good. In keeping with this theme, take a look at this.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513047/posts


67 posted on 10/31/2005 9:43:56 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: jan in Colorado

Well, I saw your name on the "Messages" page and got curious.


68 posted on 10/31/2005 9:52:28 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Justanobody; Fred Nerks
On the up side, if we share a brain, it is not really plagiarism, is it?

Well...there's also the fact that you gave me permission to use it without revealing my "source." But now you had to go and mention Karl Rove....Hmmmm....I don't want to be any more of a target than I already am! ;o)

You know, as a now "well known" lawyer recently wrote,

"The connections are deep beneath the soil and cannot be seen on the surface, but when, in fall, the temperature and conditions change, their leaves turn RED, in CLUSTERS because their roots are connected."

Just remember, in front of the Grand Jury or when questioned by a Federal investigator, the memory goes blank...

69 posted on 10/31/2005 9:53:05 PM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless The Troops!)
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To: Justanobody

I saw that article earlier. Brilliant.

ENEMEDIA!

Never make a comment on FR without the new word, I'm putting it on my tagline.


70 posted on 10/31/2005 9:56:20 PM PST by Fred Nerks (THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS MAINSTREAM MEDIA. IT'S ENEMEDIA !!!!!)
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To: jan in Colorado
the memory goes blank...

Ummmm, excuse me, are you speaking to me? And you are...?



;*)

71 posted on 10/31/2005 9:59:22 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: Fred Nerks; RandallFlag; jan in Colorado
It's a deal!

Gee, Mr. Nerks - I love your new tagline. ;*)

72 posted on 10/31/2005 10:00:43 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: RandallFlagg
I saw you on a thread a while back about Tom Tancredo, which is how I knew you were from Colorado.


I saw Congressman Tom Tancredo last weekend at Denver University at this event...http://www.cairco.org/


The protesters were out in force but it was a great forum and they even spent a little time shooting down referendums "C" and "D"
73 posted on 10/31/2005 10:07:36 PM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless The Troops!)
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To: jan in Colorado

"You went to jail in the summer. It is fall now. You will have stories to cover -- Iraqi elections and suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program. Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to work—-and life. Until then, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers. With admiration, Scooter Libby."

Hey, that's not fair, this (above) is what he (the famous lawyer) said in his note to the famous ENEMEDIA journalist.


It's funny how that cluster of Aspens turned in the courtroom...could it be their roots were connected?


74 posted on 10/31/2005 10:07:42 PM PST by Fred Nerks (THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS MAINSTREAM MEDIA. IT'S ENEMEDIA !!!!!)
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To: jan in Colorado

Yeah. I miss all the fun these days.


75 posted on 10/31/2005 10:08:42 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Fred Nerks; Justanobody

FRED!!!!! You weren't suppose to tell any one I went to jail! And I Live out west, I don't vacation there! You better get your story straight or you will be joining Mr. Libby.

Oh, the aspens are now BROWN...all over the ground!


76 posted on 10/31/2005 10:14:31 PM PST by jan in Colorado ( Don't ever talk to the ENEMEDIA...it might get you indicted!)
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To: jan in Colorado

I don't remember. Who are you? Is this something you read in the ENEMEDIA?


77 posted on 10/31/2005 10:19:28 PM PST by Fred Nerks (THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS MAINSTREAM MEDIA. IT'S ENEMEDIA !!!!!)
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To: jan in Colorado

You went to jail???


78 posted on 10/31/2005 10:20:37 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: BenLurkin
BenLurkin writes:
Force Westernization upon them everywhere.
Nothing else will work.

You're right, of course.

In the war between Islam and The West, the measure of "victory" is simple:
Them, or us.

There is no "in between".
Them, or us.

I prefer us.

Either Islam must perish, or The West _will_ eventually perish.

One or the other must be victorious, through nothing less than the destruction of the other.

Our only consolation is that _we_ did not wish for, nor did we start this war. It was forced upon us by Islam, the avowed enemy of civilization and progress.

But even though we didn't start this struggle, we must find the intestinal fortitude to see it through to its end, no matter where that journey takes us. We face a war that may be the bloodiest and longest the planet will ever know - the Armageddon.

If we do not find those strengths, it is Islam that will "finish" us.

- John

79 posted on 10/31/2005 10:30:50 PM PST by Fishrrman
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To: Justanobody
I've been outed!!!!!!!

FYI...."went" not "in"! LOL

80 posted on 10/31/2005 10:31:56 PM PST by jan in Colorado ( Don't ever talk to the ENEMEDIA...it might get you indicted!)
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To: jan in Colorado; RandallFlag; Fred Nerks
Whew...glad to hear that. ;*)

Thanks for the fun tonight! It has been fun hanging out with you guys.

BTW, I just debuted our new word over at the Canteen. Let's see if it takes.

G'night y'all. I'm fading fast. ;*)

81 posted on 10/31/2005 10:36:30 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: jan in Colorado
How could you be outed if you were wearing a disguise when they took your pic with Mr Aspen; that was you in Vanity Fair, wasn't it? I saw it. In ENEMEDIA.


82 posted on 10/31/2005 10:40:53 PM PST by Fred Nerks (THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS MAINSTREAM MEDIA. IT'S ENEMEDIA !!!!!)
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To: Justanobody; jan in Colorado

Goodnight you two.


83 posted on 10/31/2005 10:41:53 PM PST by Fred Nerks (THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS MAINSTREAM MEDIA. IT'S ENEMEDIA !!!!!)
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To: Fred Nerks

'Night Fred. Let the countdown begin for the End of the Enemedia!


84 posted on 10/31/2005 10:44:41 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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To: Fred Nerks; Justanobody; RandallFlag
You got me Fred! LOL

OK, back to the topic,

"We need a War Room effort to counter the Big Lies."

Yes. Let's expose ENEMEDIA. The Truth MUST be reported. I'm so thankful we have Free Republic.

Thanks for the new "word" Randallflag.

G'night

85 posted on 10/31/2005 11:00:01 PM PST by jan in Colorado ( Don't ever talk to the ENEMEDIA...it might get you indicted!)
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To: SJackson
I heard this afternoon that Prince Charles is coming to this country to lecture President Bush on what he sees as our intolerance of Islam after the attacks on 9/11.

Of all the unmittigated, two-bit gall. If I was the President, I'd tell Charles to take his posturing, fold it twice, and shove it far up his royal arse.

86 posted on 10/31/2005 11:11:52 PM PST by Dave Olson
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To: Dave Olson

I can't think of Prince Charles without remembering when he said he wanted to be a tampon.


87 posted on 10/31/2005 11:39:59 PM PST by Fred Nerks (THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS MAINSTREAM MEDIA. IT'S ENEMEDIA !!!!!)
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To: 10mm; Romulus; ValenB4; Salvation; annalex; sheltonmac; SaltyJoe; RONALDUS MAXIMUS; Prod Convert; ..
You wrote: "The victor decides what constitutes a "War Crime". There is no objective definition."

I thought that was the PoMo, moral nihilist, mid-20th-century totalitarian, and/or Islamofascists' line. No moral law, no international law, no Judeo-Christian legacy. You're sure you want to go with that?

88 posted on 11/01/2005 5:31:40 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (As always, striving for accuracy.)
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To: sport
You wrote: "You don't have to do it to them. You can always let them do it to you. They will be happy to oblidge you."

You write as if refuting pacifism (or passive-ism). This is not my position. I believe that a just and proportionate military defense is not only a right, but s duty.

As I said in a previous post:

As far as I know, the U.S. military has taken extraordinary measures to shield Iraqi civilians from the effects of war, and has not used indiscriminate bombing. If this is so, the civilian casualties in Baghdad were strictly accidental and may---arguably ---- be proportionate and justified.

By way of contrast, the bombing of cities on both sides during WWII (Coventry; London; Tokyo; Dresden; Hiroshima; etc.) was truly an indiscriminate mass slaughter of noncombatants, and was therefore, objectively, murder.

I oppose acts --- like the deliberate massacre of civilians --- which are against U.S. law, the UCMJ and military policy, repugnant to the conscience of every decent soldier as well as against objective Judeo-Christian standards on the conduct of war.

89 posted on 11/01/2005 5:44:17 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (As always, striving for accuracy.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; 10mm; sport
Hence the quotes around "collateral damage" The plan was to kill and discourage the means of production. Our plan will eventually be to kill and discourage jihads financial roots. These roots are civilian. They may not slit the throat, but they buy the knife and cheer the result. Total war knows no bounds, civilians become a legitimate target, nuclear weapons become a legitimate weapon. Destroy the enemy or be destroyed. Peacenics will never understand this, including many Christians. I get it. If you don't then get out of the way, because sooner or later we will do what is necessary, to hell with any obstructionists. Islam will surrender and civilize when it is beaten to within an inch of its life, any other approach is folly and doomed to failure.
90 posted on 11/01/2005 6:12:10 AM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country. Islam is a terrorist organization.)
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To: SJackson; Mrs. Don-o
Freedom from Fear.

When the common man can live outside the shadow of terror, when a universal rule of law stands tall and stamps out the actions of criminals, then our children can rest without waking to the nightmare of evil's persecution.


91 posted on 11/01/2005 7:43:16 AM PST by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Is this so offensive?



I've seen a young Islamic man and woman display their affection for each other in a similar manner, but they didn't know that I inadvertently saw them in their secrecy.

The wicked cannot hold back the human spirit. We have a Divine Author. When those trapped under extremism have their hearts set free, they will enjoy life with all of its simple pleasures. There is no doubt that both militant Islamic extremism and leftist socialist communism are joined "at the hip". Both are falsehoods, a perversion of Truth, and the product of Satan.
92 posted on 11/01/2005 8:03:46 AM PST by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
From an interesting website:

http://www.karbafoo.com/collection.htm

Freedom of Speech by Norman Rockwell:





Speech in Iran:


93 posted on 11/01/2005 8:11:02 AM PST by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Don't the media feed your misconsceptions...check out the soccer girl.


94 posted on 11/01/2005 8:13:22 AM PST by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Freed for Iran



A Father's Love


95 posted on 11/01/2005 8:19:58 AM PST by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Indonesian Christians Terrified After Children Beheaded

This is a war of extermination, no quarter given. Kill them all over there or else they'll be killing us here.

96 posted on 11/01/2005 8:36:36 AM PST by 10mm
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To: 10mm
"Kill them all over there" is a declaration of genocide. This is unreservedly condemned by the laws of your God, your faith, your country, and your humanity.

This is not something that decent people can "dialogue" about. It's hard tro believe that you actually think you can defeat Islamofascists by imitating their madcap, makeshift, miniscule morality. Defeat them? If you've already adopted their mindset, they've already won.

97 posted on 11/01/2005 11:00:04 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (As always, striving for accuracy.)
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To: SJackson

Most excellent article.

This is a WAR of cultures.

We have no chance if we cannot take back our language.

B!tch slap, with language, these monsters and their fellow travelers each and every time you talk to them.

I do not allow them to call these murdering animals "insurgents", I don't let the fifth column call them "suicide bombers", I insist on calling them what they are, MURDERERS of INNOCENTS.

It starts to change right at the edge of your own personal conversations.

No quarter for MURDERS or those who support them! Do NOT ever give these vermin a frikkin inch, anywhere, ever.

"Rust never sleeps."


98 posted on 11/01/2005 1:04:09 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound (What ya gonna do?.......... Get REAL........ American CONSERVATIVE, not a Republican lapdog)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; 10mm
unreservedly condemned by the laws of your God, your faith, your country, and your humanity

You are right, of course. There are objective rules of war, violation of which is a war crime. One cannot credibly condemn things like terrorism while endorsing war crimes, such as bombing of German or Japanese civilians committed by uniformed soldiers on our side.

99 posted on 11/01/2005 4:10:07 PM PST by annalex
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To: SJackson

A great post. Sobering, exactly what needs to be done and fast.


100 posted on 11/01/2005 4:18:24 PM PST by hershey
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