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Conservatives in Hollywood?!
City Journal ^ | Brian C. Anderson

Posted on 10/31/2005 8:54:59 AM PST by paltz

Edited on 10/31/2005 10:39:32 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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1 posted on 10/31/2005 8:55:01 AM PST by paltz
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To: paltz

Personally, I would argue that it is the quality of the wares that Hollywood is producing, rather than their politics. If you tell a great story, people will listen. It's as simple as that.


2 posted on 10/31/2005 8:58:25 AM PST by Señor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: paltz

Are you allowed to post article with the "F" word on FR?


3 posted on 10/31/2005 9:00:11 AM PST by colorcountry (Proud Parent of a Soldier, a UPS Driver, an Executive, a Construction Worker, and a Student)
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To: paltz

A lot of our money goes to liberal causes, and we can't do
much about it. But spending bucks at the ticket office
isn't one of those funnels.

Always estimate what percent of your ticket dollar is
going directly to the DNC.

PS - Expect the mods to edit the quoted article for
language.


4 posted on 10/31/2005 9:00:41 AM PST by Boundless
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To: paltz

Yikes! LOOOOONG post...and with a collection of F bombs to start, too.


5 posted on 10/31/2005 9:00:52 AM PST by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: paltz

I have my own home theater.

But, I do not buy or rent DVDs that include actors, directors or producer who are openly critical of Bush, Republicans or conservatives.

I'm still alive.


6 posted on 10/31/2005 9:01:37 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I know my enemy. I have Cable TV.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Please don't pull the thread if you could take out the "F-bombs."


7 posted on 10/31/2005 9:03:27 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I know my enemy. I have Cable TV.)
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To: paltz
Any first year marketing major could tell you that all you have to do is see what kind of numbers "The Passion" did and compare those numbers to the next twenty grossing films and you would know more than the Lefties in Hollyweird have figured out to this date.

The majority of Americans are basically patriotic, conservative, religious folks.
It's really elementary my dear, Watson. LOL
8 posted on 10/31/2005 9:03:43 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: paltz

Bump for later reading.


9 posted on 10/31/2005 9:03:57 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: paltz
Conservatives in Hollywood

The title of one of the shortest books ever written.

Some others are:
Liberal War Heroes
The Ethics of the Democrat Party

10 posted on 10/31/2005 9:06:06 AM PST by Snardius
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To: paltz

bump.


11 posted on 10/31/2005 9:07:25 AM PST by Mamzelle (.)
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To: paltz

What a classy person must have written this. Now tell me, is the F word necessary?


12 posted on 10/31/2005 9:08:18 AM PST by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: paltz

"No one seems better positioned to move Hollywood right than billionaire Philip Anschutz, whose Anschutz Film Group oversees two studios: Walden Media and Bristol Bay Productions. Owner of everything from oil fields to railroads to newspapers, and a major contributor to conservative causes, Anschutz decided not long ago to begin a career as a twenty-first-century Louis B. Mayer. His agenda: producing humanistic, family-oriented films. “We expect them to be entertaining, but also to be life affirming and to carry a moral message,” he told a Hillsdale College audience last year. Anschutz sees a golden market opportunity in such movies. “Hollywood as an industry can at times be insular and doesn’t at times understand the market very well,” he explained. But he also “saw a chance with this move to attempt some small improvement in the culture.”"

Phil has spent 5-10 million per year for over 20 years on conservative causes. I wish him all the luck in the world with his films.


13 posted on 10/31/2005 9:08:29 AM PST by calrighty (Taglines for sale or let......1 liners 50 cents! C'mon troops, finish em off!!)
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To: Señor Zorro

The story and quality is lacking because of the politics of those who decide what is portrayed.


14 posted on 10/31/2005 9:09:06 AM PST by kenth (A zot! A zot! My kingdom for a zot!)
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To: paltz

Good article, worth reading! I find it very encouraging that more young conservatives are coming to H-wood. I may actually go see movies again.

(I only counted two F-bombs, and they were in a quote)


15 posted on 10/31/2005 9:13:21 AM PST by Theresawithanh (I support President Bush, and I support our troops!!!)
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To: paltz
Medved points out. “This is what many people in the movie industry don’t get: when you express hostility to conservatives, many Americans feel that you’re expressing hostility to them.”

Linda Rondstadt made it clear that she DIDN'T like having conservatives in her audience.

Screw these politicos. I don't pay to be insulted or hated. Take my money but believe that I am evil/foolish?

So much for respecting an opposing viewpoint.

16 posted on 10/31/2005 9:15:04 AM PST by weegee (To understand the left is to rationalize how abortion can be a birthright.)
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To: Boundless

I skimmed and didn't see the "F" word anywhere.


17 posted on 10/31/2005 9:15:53 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: paltz

This is a dumb article. Hollywood doesn't need to bring back the production code (people like sex and violence), they need to respond to the market place. Movies have become too politically correct; one example is how they force females into actions roles, which male action fans are just not interested in seeing. The white males that use to be in those roles (Arnold, Bruce, Sly, Mel, Clint....) a decade or so ago don't make those kind of movies anymore, so instead we get women or minorites. Hollywood is trying to send messages with their movies and neglecting what the market demands, thats the problem.


18 posted on 10/31/2005 9:16:01 AM PST by OmegaMan
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To: paltz
The countercultural movies of “New Hollywood”—such as Arthur Penn’s violent, criminal-glorifying Bonnie and Clyde (1967), Robert Altman’s cynical antiwar comedy M.A.S.H. (1970), Hal Ashby’s sordid paean to the sexual revolution Shampoo (1975), and Martin Scorcese’s urban nightmare Taxi Driver (1976)—wowed critics, who shared their anti-establishment and anti-American attitudes.

But moviegoers turned up their noses. Weekly film attendance in 1967, the first year after Hollywood dumped the production code, plummeted to 17.8 million, from 38 million the year before (television had already eroded moviegoing from its late-1940s peak of 90 million a week).

Hate to spoil an otherwise good article, but it was the "anti-establishment" films of the 70s, followed by the "blockbuster" films of the late 70s (Jaws, Star Wars) that kept the studios from going bankrupt. The reason the studios were near bankruptcy in 1967 and 1968 was due to the fact that younger audiences had NO DESIRE to see crap like "Hello Dolly," "On a Clear Day You Can See Forever," or "Paint Your Wagon." The "anti-establishment" crowd came along during the next decade, although "Easy Rider" (directed by Dennis Hopper) was the earliest example of an "anti-establishment" cinematic commercial success.

19 posted on 10/31/2005 9:16:11 AM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: Boundless

Never mind...found it.


20 posted on 10/31/2005 9:16:11 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: SaveTheChief

For me, it only is when talking about DU...


21 posted on 10/31/2005 9:16:46 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: paltz

I'll have to try to find time to read this later. It looks like a good article and shows that films don't have to be pushing "Republican policy" or "demonizing Democrats" to be positive films produced by conservatives.


22 posted on 10/31/2005 9:19:43 AM PST by weegee (To understand the left is to rationalize how abortion can be a birthright.)
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To: paltz

I'd like to see a comeback of those 1980's style action movies myself.


23 posted on 10/31/2005 9:22:22 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("My Gov'nor don't got the answer")
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To: paltz

Does anyone know how to ge4 "In the face of Evil", the Reagan film?


24 posted on 10/31/2005 9:22:36 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: paltz
giving the public what it wants isn’t their prime motivation. More important is their wish for recognition as artists from peers, critics, and the liberal elites

The desire for approval and status is a prime motivator in Hollywood, no doubt about that.

25 posted on 10/31/2005 9:23:04 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("(I've had) too many wives and taken too many drugs." -Ambassador Joe Wilson)
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To: paltz
Maybe it also has something to do with bad movies. Even the most liberal movie, though I'd be less inclined to be interested, can still use clever writing and good characterizations. Much of what is out there is less artistic, and more corporate, based on simply making money

I guess that shouldn't come as a suprise...

26 posted on 10/31/2005 9:27:07 AM PST by gamarob1
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To: paltz

One of the decisions I have made, and stuck to, is I do not see any movies where corporations, the American military, or Nazis (unless it is a world war II movie) are the enemy.

I am so tired of being preached to by the left on how evil we are.


27 posted on 10/31/2005 9:27:16 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Señor Zorro

I don't go to movies or buy/rent DVD's starring particular people who have tried to use their celebrity status to push their political agenda nor will I see movies that do so (in other words I watch very few new films :)). I don't consider myself anything special so I'm sure this guy is right. I do agree that movies over the past few years have been bad for the most part but I think that's in part, because of the PC and the fact that the Hollywood left has been trying to use movies to force their politics down our throats rather then coming up with good stories.


28 posted on 10/31/2005 9:30:05 AM PST by whershey
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To: paltz
The article was reasonably balanced and good until it got to this:

After long using liberal Hollywood as a political punching bag, conservatives are moving to an if-you-can’t-beat-them-join-them approach.

One could reasonably argue that Hollyweird has used itself and its wares as a bully pulpit that has railed against conservative values for decades.

What a huge disappointment it must be to Barbie Streisand, Alex Baldwin, et al, to discover that they have been (and still are) wrong after all these years.
29 posted on 10/31/2005 9:32:43 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: I still care

http://www.inthefaceofevil.com/


30 posted on 10/31/2005 9:34:22 AM PST by paltz
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To: kellynla

No, any first year marketing major wouild first see if the numbers of the Passion could be duplicated by another film geared towards the same audience. The jury is still out on that one.


31 posted on 10/31/2005 9:34:45 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Clemenza

His case agains anti-establisment films of the past was pretty weak, I agree.


32 posted on 10/31/2005 9:36:49 AM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: paltz; Tolik

He had it nailed until the very last paragraph....


33 posted on 10/31/2005 9:40:10 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Señor Zorro
I beg to differ. I LOVE movies, but when I walk through Hollywood Video to rent, I'll see a title or an apparent concept that will grab me . . . then as soon as I see a Tim Robbins or Susan Sarandon or another typical ultra-leftist in the cast, I bypass it.

It can be a great movie ("Million Dollar Baby") but I absolutely will not watch it. Nope, nada.

34 posted on 10/31/2005 9:41:50 AM PST by LS
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To: paltz
Enjoyed the article. I've become so picky about movies in my adulthood because the typical leftist preachiness grates on me - I just can't ignore it.

This is why I love Medved's reviews. He always points out if a movie is preachy or gratuitous.

Anyone know of some sights for conservative movie reviews?
35 posted on 10/31/2005 9:43:40 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood
The desire for approval and status is a prime motivator in Hollywood, no doubt about that.

And there's one particular sort of approval that is never discussed:

“Making something commercially successful and appealing to a broad public, like The Incredibles, is less likely to get a Rebecca Romijn look-alike to sleep with you than making dark, hard-hitting, critically acclaimed material like Million Dollar Baby,” says longtime Hollywood watcher Medved.

Whoops! Michael Medved just mentioned ELEPHANTS! That's not allowed!

36 posted on 10/31/2005 9:47:00 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: paltz
Pixar Studio’s dazzling animated superhero film The Incredibles (2004) is another box-office winner—domestic gross $261 million—with a surprisingly right-of-center worldview.

Check the alternative beginning on the DVD. You'd think Phyllis Schlafly herself wrote it :-)

37 posted on 10/31/2005 9:49:44 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: rightinthemiddle

But, I do not buy or rent DVDs that include actors, directors or producer who are openly critical of Bush, Republicans or conservatives.



I agree, certain people I will not watch at all, Susan Surranden,Baldwins, Streisand, Reiner, on and on the list goes. Movie stars are not like us, why they earn so much money and have so many homes is beyond my understanding.


38 posted on 10/31/2005 9:53:16 AM PST by JFC (W, I am with YA)
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To: paltz
Another up and coming film maker is playwright Tyler Perry. While most of his work is centered around blacks, they always have a triumphant message of good overcoming evil and how in the end, even through much suffering, faith wins out. His films are always Christian centered but never bash you over the head with a Christian message, preffering to subtly make his point. In fact, one of the main characters (and his most popular) is a non-believer and the characters around her always bombard her with a Christian message.

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39 posted on 10/31/2005 9:53:22 AM PST by speed_addiction ( Somethings gnaw on a man worse'n dyin'!)
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To: Señor Zorro

Blah...blah...blah...long article and, I believe, the wrong thesis. People aren't going to movies because of the high ticket prices and more importantly, the higher quality of television shows today. I'll take any good TV show over a movie. And then, in a month, I can rent the DVD and watch it on my big screen TV. It's not rocket science.


40 posted on 10/31/2005 9:54:01 AM PST by Hildy
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To: paltz

I recommend that FReepers check their local library for DVD's, incl. your library's version of inter-library loan. In some library in your city is a copy of the old or recently-released DVD that you want.


41 posted on 10/31/2005 10:01:24 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Señor Zorro

Senor Zorro - there are NO great liberal stories.

By the way, I plan to see your latest movie. I loved the first and Zorro has always been one of my favorite folk heros - right up there with Robin Hood


42 posted on 10/31/2005 10:01:43 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Snardius

Conservatives in Hollywood

The title of one of the shortest books ever written.

Some others are:
Liberal War Heroes
The Ethics of the Democrat Party



You forgot "Famous Jewish Sports Legends" ;)


43 posted on 10/31/2005 10:02:53 AM PST by JZelle
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To: paltz

The last film I saw in theaters was "Fantastic Four" and although it was an entertaining film, I was disappointed by a lead character saying "goddamn". That word didn't have to be used, the producers just threw it in (probably toget a PG-13 rating.) You can't even take the kids to a family film anymore without cringing, wondering what sh*tty unnecessary grime that Hollywood is going to inflict upon you.


44 posted on 10/31/2005 10:04:15 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Clemenza
Hate to spoil an otherwise good article, but it was the "anti-establishment" films of the 70s,

I don't know that you'd call Patton, True Grit, Dirty Harry, the French Connection and the Exorcist "anti-establishment" unless you are marking the very good case that the establishment was the left. Granted there was gore and bad words in those movies, but all espoused conservative values.

And actually, the top grossers in 1970-- Love Story and Airport -- were rather uncontroversial.

Check the top all-time top grossers (adjusted gross). Few of the films could be called edgy.

45 posted on 10/31/2005 10:07:45 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
I was just watching a special on "The Exorcist". It said that Jane Fonda was one of the first choices for the mother, but she turned it down and called it a "bourgeois piece of #%$^&$%#$
46 posted on 10/31/2005 10:31:01 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

My favorite Sci-Fi author Orson Scott Card rights political essays and he also reviews everything including books and lots of movies. Check his reviews here: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/index2005.shtml


47 posted on 10/31/2005 10:38:24 AM PST by Tolik
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

Thanks


48 posted on 10/31/2005 10:39:02 AM PST by Tolik
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To: paltz

bump


49 posted on 10/31/2005 10:42:27 AM PST by VOA
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To: I still care

I would have figured she'd be one of the first picks for Regan


50 posted on 10/31/2005 10:43:27 AM PST by Tribune7
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