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Conservatives in Hollywood?!
City Journal ^ | Brian C. Anderson

Posted on 10/31/2005 8:54:59 AM PST by paltz

Edited on 10/31/2005 10:39:32 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: paltz

Good article. Evan Coyne Maloney, mentioned toward the end, has a great website with many video shorts covering his experiences with the left - protests, on campus, even a street interview with Michael Moore.

http://www.brainterminal.com/


51 posted on 10/31/2005 10:47:28 AM PST by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: weegee

Ronstadt was more specific. She didn't like knowing that Republicans or fundamental Christians were in the audience.


52 posted on 10/31/2005 10:50:25 AM PST by skr (Shopping for a tagline that fits or a fitting tagline...whichever I find first.)
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To: paltz

http://brain-terminal.com/


53 posted on 10/31/2005 10:51:47 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: OmegaMan
Hollywood doesn't need to bring back the production code.

He wasn't advocating a return to the Hays Code.

South Park Conservative

54 posted on 10/31/2005 10:53:07 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

http://jamesbowman.net/


55 posted on 10/31/2005 10:57:09 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: I still care
I was just watching a special on "The Exorcist". It said that Jane Fonda was one of the first choices for the mother, but she turned it down and called it a "bourgeois piece of #%$^&$%#$

She actually said "CAPITALIST piece of #%$^&$%#$"

56 posted on 10/31/2005 11:02:30 AM PST by paltz
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To: paltz
“I believe there’s a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want most. Even our dreams.”

...My favorite movie of all time for depicting duty, honor and sacrifice.

Depicts an American (Irene Dunne) who marries into an aristocratic and patriotic English family prior to WWI and ending during WWII as American troops enter into the war in Europe.

This is without doubt the most moving and patriotic movie I have ever seen in my life.

57 posted on 10/31/2005 11:25:06 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: paltz
The business model Hollywood has depended on for about a century is disintegrating, Humpty Dumpty style, and all MGM's horses, and all Oliver Stone's men, will not be able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

If you'll pardon the mixed metaphor, there's a new sherrif in town. WWW Earp.

58 posted on 10/31/2005 11:26:47 AM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: OmegaMan

I must respectfully disagree. I enjoy seeing women in action roles, and I know lots of guys (including conservative guys) who also enjoy them. Also, even with the increase in female action roles, men in action movies still far outnumber women.

You call this politically correct, but I know several young women and teenage girls who have taken an interest in guns (a very politically INcorrect thing) after seeing women in those so-called politically correct action roles. Also, I've heard that several of the actresses themselves, after learning about guns for their roles, have come to enjoy shooting and lost their gun-phobia that's so common in liberal thinking. What you call political correctness is helping the conservative cause.


59 posted on 10/31/2005 11:39:36 AM PST by JillValentine (Lie down with liberals, get up with herpes.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Oh, ok. I assumed that because thats what the tone seems to be of the whole piece. It seems to be suggesting that what Hollywood needs to do is make more movies with family values, morals, less sex and violence, etc.... and thats wrong imo. The problem ,like I said, is that Hollywood is too politically correct.

It mentions how much money Pg and Pg-13 movies make in comparison to Rs, and theyre wrong about that too. R rated movies make more when you take in consider their budgets, they tend to cost less than Pg and Pg-13s.

This article has a political agenda, just like Hollywood does.
60 posted on 10/31/2005 11:47:33 AM PST by OmegaMan
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To: paltz
Hmmm.... I thought she said bourgeois.

Maybe she said "CAPITALIST piece of bourgeois #%$^&$%#$" ?

:)
61 posted on 10/31/2005 11:58:20 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: JillValentine
I don't mind women in these roles, I like tough chick characters, but I think there's a kind of affirmative action going on thats beyond what the marketplace demands. Thats why Hollywood is losing the young white male demographic imo. Another thing they've done is stop making the 80s type action flicks that included firearms and alot of gunfire, especially involving white male leads.

My theory is that this is the result of something that started a couple decades ago. Hollywood has always been criticized for violence (with guns) and sex, but the new complaint that has been more effective has been the lack of good roles for minorities and especially females. The people/activists pushing the later have used the violence issue as well as a way to put more pressure on Hollywood to become more 'diverse'. Action movies involving guns and sometimes nudity became synonymous with white male action heroes (Arnold, Clint, Mel, Sly, Bruce....).

Instead of stopping making action movies though, what Hollywood has done is just make them without the guns (use swords, bows and arrows, kung fu....) and with minorities or females in the lead roles. That shuts up their critics for the most part, but also turns off to some degree the young white male demo. These new politically correct action movies do ok, but they're not exactly what this large demographic demands. My suggestion to Hollywood would be to use this statistic and the lower box office overall as an argument that political pressure is damaging the business. Then go about making the kind of movies the market demands, whatever they are.
62 posted on 10/31/2005 12:04:01 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: OmegaMan
Probably.

City Journal is the flagship publication of the Manhattan Institute, one of the premier conservative/liberty-oriented think tanks in the country, and the inspiration for some of former Mayor Giuliani's best urban policies.

63 posted on 10/31/2005 12:05:52 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

I should read the whole piece, instead of just skimming it - I probably agree with them on alot too.


64 posted on 10/31/2005 12:12:37 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: OmegaMan

Yeah Independence Day did terribly with Will Smith as the lead.

And so did Hitch...

oh wait, they didn't.

I agree women in action roles is getting lame. But having people OTHER than white men in those roles is not a bad thing, nor does it doom the movie to financial failure.

Also, did you read the article? Much of it was descriptive and very informative to me to know there are rightists in Hollywood. Not sure where you get the idea that it's main theme is the production code.


65 posted on 10/31/2005 12:25:34 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Seņor Zorro

I can only speak for myself and a few others, but content indeed has something to do with it. I like suspensers, mysteries, action films, chick flicks, historic sagas, family movies.

I used to go to the movies probably once every couple of weeks. The past few years, I have been getting tired of the PC stuff in Disney (Indians good, pilgrims bad, among others), the gratuitous violence and profanity in the Bruce Willis type fare, gay themes, and the negative view of humanity and Christianity found in much of what Hollywood has produced.

There have been few movies that even faintly interested me in the last few years, aside from Zorro, Incredibles, Monsters Inc, Master and Commander, the Passion, Penguins, and the Lord of the Rings series. That covers, what, the past 3-4 years of movie viewing for a previously every 2 weeks movie watcher.

Recently, however, I actually have seen some listings that encourage me. We'll see.


66 posted on 10/31/2005 1:10:51 PM PST by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: whershey; LS; Hildy; Wicket

I do not deny that some people do refrain from watching Hollywood's movies due to the politik of the makers, however I think (and I could be wrong) that this makes up the minority of the drop. The nature of Hollywood has not significantly changed. In the 50's where were Communists to be found? The same places the flaming liberals (not significantly different from Communists) are to be found: the media, academia and the Democratic party.

I personally do not see many modern Hollywood movies, but not because of the politics of the makers. Rather, I simply find the movies themselves offensive (i.e. language, excessive and gory violence, etc. though I am hoping to give Clean Films a whirl sometime soon--maybe then I'll be a little more current).


67 posted on 10/31/2005 4:58:47 PM PST by Seņor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: ZULU
Senor Zorro - there are NO great liberal stories.

LOL! Point taken. However, some liberals are gifted story tellers, ala George Lucas.

By the way, I plan to see your latest movie. I loved the first and Zorro has always been one of my favorite folk heros - right up there with Robin Hood

I love Zorro's character (obviously), but the greatest actor to ever don the cape is, in my mind, Guy Williams when he played Zorro for the television series in the 50's. I always find it ironic how the liberals like to identify themselves with Robin Hood (stealing from the rich to give to the poor), when the only reason for Robin Hood's activities were high taxes!

68 posted on 10/31/2005 5:07:14 PM PST by Seņor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Seņor Zorro

As Medved shows, though, all it takes is about 10% of all conservatives to choose NOT to go to a movie and that makes a significant impact. And, as I say, I'm a movie-a-holic.


69 posted on 10/31/2005 5:09:05 PM PST by LS
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To: Seņor Zorro

"I always find it ironic how the liberals like to identify themselves with Robin Hood (stealing from the rich to give to the poor), when the only reason for Robin Hood's activities were high taxes!"

Excellant point!


70 posted on 10/31/2005 6:23:56 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Seņor Zorro
I would argue that it is the quality of the wares that Hollywood is producing, rather than their politics. If you tell a great story, people will listen.

The problem is that their "story" is always about their "politics". What we need is just a story, with no hidden agenda (however thinly veiled the message may be). This is what i appreciated about "Elizabethtown". Very refreshing.
71 posted on 10/31/2005 6:29:44 PM PST by uncitizen
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To: JZelle

There are a few conservatives in Hollywood: Drew Carey, John Larroquette (I enjoy his McBride movies), Bruce Willis, Robert Duvall, Gary Oldman, Mel Gibson, and some of Hollywood's biggest stars (RIP) were conservative: John Wayne, Ginger Rogers, Lucille Ball, Frank Sinatra (later years), Bob Hope, Robert Mitchum, and Glenn Ford.


72 posted on 10/31/2005 6:53:07 PM PST by Tuxedo (Tragically Hip)
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To: Tuxedo

Glenn Ford is still alive.


73 posted on 10/31/2005 6:56:04 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (http://www.navyfield.com)
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To: COEXERJ145

"Glenn Ford is still alive."


Wow! Has he broken 100?


74 posted on 11/01/2005 5:50:38 AM PST by JZelle
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To: All

Jeeze people, we are all adults here, why invite censorship when it isn't warranted? If you don't like the F word, stop reading and move on.


75 posted on 11/01/2005 5:59:24 AM PST by stacytec
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To: JZelle

He was born May 1, 1916.


76 posted on 11/01/2005 9:15:23 AM PST by COEXERJ145 (http://www.navyfield.com)
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To: Seņor Zorro

Yep, that pretty much covers it. I don't often avoid movies because of the participants' politics, just that a lot of what's being put out these days is poor quality, agenda driven, violent, semi-pornographic, etc.


77 posted on 11/01/2005 12:36:20 PM PST by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: COEXERJ145

Yeah, forgot about that. Sorry Glenn Ol' buddy. ;)


78 posted on 11/01/2005 5:20:18 PM PST by Tuxedo (Tragically Hip)
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To: paltz

An excellent piece; superb post. Bump.


79 posted on 11/01/2005 10:01:24 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: SeaDragon

per our discussion


80 posted on 11/02/2005 5:20:40 PM PST by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: weegee
The more MSM/actors/ artist/ does this, the more they alienate their audience, and the more they become irreverent.
I think that most Americans today don't care about what happened during Vietnam.
I am not talking about the vets who served and died in Vietnam ( Americans should always honor and remember our vets ) but, the liberal's version of Vietnam as seem through the eyes of the MSM, war protesters, liberalism , democrats, hippie dippys.
As in this article, the reason that the movie Forst Gump was a hit and a success was, Main Stream American wants to forget about the liberal 60s - 70s, the war protests, hippie dippies.
Forst Gump ( as this article mentioned ) was a repudiation of that culture, and the anti Americaism, and rebellion of the 60s-70s.
The public " Main Stream America " does not care about Liberal/MSM/Democrats values anymore.
The " MAIN STREAM of AMERICA " is getting very weary and tired of the likes of Linda Rondstadt/Perky Katie of N.B.C. /Dan Rather/ Michael Moores telling them how wrong they ( the public, Conservatives/Republicans/Patriotically Americans ) are , instead of doing some self reflection in how WRONG they ( Liberals/MSM/Democrats/Liberal Hollywood ) is.
81 posted on 11/06/2005 11:26:25 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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