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1 posted on 10/31/2005 9:43:59 AM PST by neverdem
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To: archy

Porcuping!


2 posted on 10/31/2005 9:44:47 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
She didn’t have her driver’s license. She had a cellular phone, a credit card, her license to carry a concealed pistol and her Glock 23 in a nylon, neon-pink fanny pack.

Later, however, the fashion police cited her for a violation...

3 posted on 10/31/2005 9:45:57 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: neverdem
I seriously want to discover the person who first siad that "Ignorance is Bliss"

IOW, the Officers DIDN'T KNOW the State Constitution permitted law-abiding citizens to OPENLY-carry weapons--including firearms--on their person

4 posted on 10/31/2005 9:48:28 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: neverdem
"“In this day and age where people have committed some very violent attacks using firearms, it is understandable that people who do not understand the values of law-abiding firearms owners run scared. We need to work at improving our image with those who don’t understand,” Donovan wrote.
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No, what's needed is police retraining in the law and taught to mind their own business. A police state is not what is needed. More fun would be if every citizens that has a handgun, sets up a day for all citizens to carry. Would drive the police nuts.
7 posted on 10/31/2005 9:55:35 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: neverdem

"He came from Texas, which he described as having restrictive gun licensing laws."

A one page background form that takes five minutes to complete and a five minute wait (if that long) for telephone confirmation is restrictive?

With all of my rifles, I completed the form, had my background verified, paid for my firearms and walked out the store with said rifles in 15 minutes.


8 posted on 10/31/2005 9:59:00 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: neverdem
...unless the weapon is concealed

So what is NH's legal definition of "concealed"?

10 posted on 10/31/2005 10:02:34 AM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: neverdem

I think some "citizens" better start getting used to seeing guns. I carry concealed, mostly because I don't want anyone to know I've got a gun. But sometimes you can "flash" a gun and not be aware of it ... wind blows back a jacket, etc. "Citizens" have got to get educated that there are a bunch of us out here actually "protecting THEM" and not call the cops every time they see a gun. At the supermarket the other day, I was reaching to a lower shelf to get something and "flashed" my 1911. A fellow nearby asked (and very quietly) a minute later ... "Do you have a permit for the gun?" I responded with "Yes sir, I do, and here it is" and I showed it to him. He simply said "thank you ... I should probably carry mine more often!"


13 posted on 10/31/2005 10:06:34 AM PST by DHC-2
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To: neverdem
Though it is legal to carry a gun in plain view, “open-carry is not a bright idea,” Rice said. “You are a target. If someone comes in with criminal intent, the first thing he is going to do is neutralize any person with a weapon who can hurt him.”

Yeah, I'm sure that most criminals look for someone carrying a gun or knife or club as their first choice for a vicitm.

14 posted on 10/31/2005 10:06:34 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: neverdem
"Commenting on what Pelletier has written on the Internet about his bookstore experience, Rice said, “I think he exercised extraordinarily poor judgment on that particular night (because) he had an open-top holster in the small of his back in an unconcealed fashion. . . ."

So this alleged "firearms instructor" (not lawyer) seems to think that the law should depend on the type holster you're using?
And whether or not he personally approves of it?

17 posted on 10/31/2005 10:13:27 AM PST by Redbob
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To: neverdem
Okay.. something here is causing a disconnect and I'm having a hard time with it.. *cough*

" New Hampshire Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms — no license needed, unless the weapon is concealed" beginning of the article says that.

Then we get down to the bookstore bit:

"Commenting on what Pelletier has written on the Internet about his bookstore experience, Rice said, “I think he exercised extraordinarily poor judgment on that particular night (because) he had an open-top holster in the small of his back in an unconcealed fashion. . . . "

New Hampshire constitution says open carry is okay... right?
If it wasn't concealed, what is the problem?
19 posted on 10/31/2005 10:18:58 AM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: neverdem
“They said, ‘You alarmed a person who saw the gun.’ “When that is the situation, they have to respond to the call.

Huh? Why do they have to respond? If somebody calls and says "I saw a black man and that alarms me", do they respond to that? Unless a caller is alleging that s/he has specifically seen something which is a violation of a law, or that a reasonable person would regard as evidence of a violation of a law, I see no reason why police should respond by dispatching officers. The police should handle such calls by asking the caller questions aimed at determining relevant details: e.g. Did the gun-carrier point the gun at you or at someone else? Did the gun carrier verbally threaten to shoot someone? If the answers are "no", the police should take the opportunity to explain the law to the caller, so that the caller understands why the police won't be dispatching officers.

31 posted on 10/31/2005 10:55:54 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: neverdem

" Rice said, “I think he exercised extraordinarily poor judgment on that particular night (because) he had an open-top holster in the small of his back in an unconcealed fashion. . . .

“Most professionals do not carry a gun there because it’s hard to access the weapon and hard to retain the weapon if someone wants to take it away from you.”"

He is correct that it is not a good idea to carry that way unconcealed. For concealed carry that type of holster is fine. Ever try to draw a concealed pistol positioned behind the hip from a holster with a retaining strap?
IMO it was very poor judgement to remove his jacket when he was supposed to be carrying concealed. You should always be aware that you are carrying, if you forget you have become complacent. In fact, if I was a skeptic (and I am), I would think he intentionally removed his jacket to start an incident.


68 posted on 10/31/2005 12:47:44 PM PST by BadAndy (Unnecessarily harsh)
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To: neverdem

Me? I just keep my M16A2 at sling arms. Less fuss.


76 posted on 10/31/2005 3:04:53 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: neverdem

I find it enlightening that two of these folks are Free Staters, a group that has been bashed a lot around here. It seems as though they are making their presence felt in a positive way, good for them.


78 posted on 10/31/2005 3:37:27 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: neverdem
Alan M. Rice of Brookline, the treasurer of the New Hampshire Firearms Coalition, has been dealing with gun use safety for 10 years. He is certified as an “instructor-trainer,” qualified to teach even the firearms instructors...

Though it is legal to carry a gun in plain view, “open-carry is not a bright idea,” Rice said. “You are a target. If someone comes in with criminal intent, the first thing he is going to do is neutralize any person with a weapon who can hurt him.”

Mr. Rice doesn't get it.

79 posted on 10/31/2005 3:39:34 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: neverdem
You would think we should learn that once you give anyone power over you, they will eventually abuse that power. It is a human failing.

The Founding Fathers understood this but I am convinced they were the last ones.

I challenge anyone to find a large organization, of any type, government, private, church etc. that does not abuse their power simply because they became powerful.

Paging Lord Acton!

91 posted on 11/01/2005 11:42:13 AM PST by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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To: neverdem
I first heard about this from a post by Mike Pelletier at packing.org a few months ago. There's also a thread over at packing.rrg about this article. One of the other folks mentioned in the article "Alan M. Rice" has also chimed in with his take.
95 posted on 11/01/2005 12:10:21 PM PST by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: neverdem

"Commenting on what Pelletier has written on the Internet about his bookstore experience, Rice said, “I think he exercised extraordinarily poor judgment on that particular night (because) he had an open-top holster in the small of his back in an unconcealed fashion. . . ."

ROFLMAO!

I bet the MSM is furious about this--they went to the instructor looking for Rice to say "What were you thinking carrying a gun!?!?!?" Instead, Rice said, "What were you thinking carrying a gun THERE, when you might NEED it?"


101 posted on 11/01/2005 6:05:31 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (ALITO! Nice Call! Lookin' good, Dubya!)
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To: King Prout
Ping.

An article like this makes me wish that the hubby had a FReeper account. He'd enjoy the posts.

110 posted on 11/03/2005 1:59:04 PM PST by Alice au Wonderland (A Liberal: Someone whose money or property isn't on the line yet. ---Old Doc Tsu)
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