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Britons think French deserve their 'negative stereotype': poll
AFP ^ | October 31, 2005

Posted on 10/31/2005 12:08:14 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

Eighty-six percent of people in Britain aged 18 to 30 think the French deserve "a popular negative stereotype," suggests an opinion poll conducted for an Anglo-French art show in London.

That compares to 27 percent of like-aged people in France who felt the British held a negative stereotype of their nation, according to the survey.

The informal poll of 500 people in London, and as many in Paris, was commissioned by the organisers of an Entente Cordiale art show that opened in west London over the weekend. No margin of error was disclosed.

"British people should face up to the fact that they have an enormous problem when it comes to the French," said exhibition organiser Richard Kaye, a Brition resident in France.

"The British will make jokes about the French which would, if made to the detriment of other national or ethnic groups, be considered extremely racist and dangerous."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Political Humor/Cartoons; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antifrenchhumor; britain; france; poll

1 posted on 10/31/2005 12:08:15 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative
Calling the French "cheese eating surrender monkeys" is racist AND dangerous?

I guess you shouldn't ask a question you don't really want answered. :)

2 posted on 10/31/2005 12:11:21 PM PST by jess35
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To: jess35

How can anything we say about the French be "dangerous"? What are they going to do? Throw cheese at us and spray us with whine?


3 posted on 10/31/2005 12:16:29 PM PST by GOP_Proud (Dims:Scooter threw sand in the ump's eyes...waaaaaa...we was robbed!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

It is wrong to be French!


4 posted on 10/31/2005 12:17:36 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: jess35

Calling the French "cheese eating surrender monkeys" is racist AND dangerous?
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The French are not a race. They are just a bunch of socialists who are ungrateful, cowardly and arrogant.


5 posted on 10/31/2005 12:17:40 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: jess35

Fromage meangeant des singes de reddition. It even sounds funny in their own language.


6 posted on 10/31/2005 12:18:05 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: West Coast Conservative

It is not a problem.
The French are not even slightly sensitive about jokes from the British.
Everyone in France knows that the British are all plump, tart, boring, have bad teeth, and that the sexes become indistinguishable after age 40.
Also, the standard view in France is that all British men are gay.
The former prime minister Edith Cresson made the mistake of actually outright saying that to the press. (She was, of course, a horror.)

From the French perspective, the British making fun is sort of like Chris Rock and Eddie Murphy making fun of WASPs in the USA. Has any WASP ever been offended by a WASP joke?


7 posted on 10/31/2005 12:18:07 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Trivia

"How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?"

"Nobody knows. It has never been tried."


8 posted on 10/31/2005 12:20:09 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: GOP_Proud
"How can anything we say about the French be "dangerous"? What are they going to do? Throw cheese at us and spray us with whine?"

Zut alors, mon ami!

Have you never heard a Frenchman say: "I fart in your general direction!"??

Believe me, it a most potent threat!

9 posted on 10/31/2005 12:20:45 PM PST by Michael Bluth
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To: West Coast Conservative

Yes, and the Frenchies call the Brits "les rosbifs" (the roast beefs) after their favorite food and complections.
How can one insult the French?


10 posted on 10/31/2005 12:21:59 PM PST by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: EagleUSA

"The French are not a race."

Corrent. All the children born 1939-45 are half-German, all the children born 45-55 are half American (and thus mutts of largely Scott, Irish, English, and German with a few others mixed in).

Since 1988, all the children have been of half middle-eastern descent.


11 posted on 10/31/2005 12:22:32 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: jess35
Image hosted by Photobucket.com
12 posted on 10/31/2005 12:23:06 PM PST by FearlessFreep (If life gives you lemons, blame it on Bush.)
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To: Vicomte13
"Also, the standard view in France is that all British men are gay."

Really? I myself wonder just how straight men who refer to potatoes as "apples of the earth" are.

13 posted on 10/31/2005 12:23:18 PM PST by Michael Bluth
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To: jess35
Conservative Conservation
14 posted on 10/31/2005 12:23:21 PM PST by GreenFreeper (Not blind opposition to progress, but opposition to blind progress)
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA

"How can one insult the French?"

With a mirror.


15 posted on 10/31/2005 12:23:30 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: truth_seeker

Why are there trees planted along the Champs Elyse?




So the Germans can march in the shade.


16 posted on 10/31/2005 12:24:28 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA
"How can one insult the French?"

It's quite simple, actually.

Remind the French that they are the only people on Earth who actually think that Jerry Lewis is funny.

17 posted on 10/31/2005 12:24:45 PM PST by Michael Bluth
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To: Vicomte13

"Also, the standard view in France is that all British men are gay."

Comes from the boarding school tradition. Might be something to that.


18 posted on 10/31/2005 12:25:50 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: GOP_Proud
How can anything we say about the French be "dangerous"? What are they going to do? Throw cheese at us and spray us with whine?

LOL!

19 posted on 10/31/2005 12:27:24 PM PST by Huck (Our side won.)
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To: Huck
Image hosted by Photobucket.com
20 posted on 10/31/2005 12:28:46 PM PST by FearlessFreep (If life gives you lemons, blame it on Bush.)
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To: Huck

Ya cheese eatin' surrender monkey
21 posted on 10/31/2005 12:29:17 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: GOP_Proud
How can anything we say about the French be "dangerous"?

Two words: "Nuclear security"

22 posted on 10/31/2005 12:32:59 PM PST by kidd
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To: West Coast Conservative
"The British will make jokes about the French which would, if made to the detriment of other national or ethnic groups, be considered extremely racist and dangerous."

...but since they are about the French, are completely reasonable.

23 posted on 10/31/2005 12:33:08 PM PST by 50sDad (Star Trek Tri-D Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: Michael Bluth

"Really? I myself wonder just how straight men who refer to potatoes as "apples of the earth" are."

If you are British, then to discern the answer to your question it is probably best to ask your wife.


24 posted on 10/31/2005 12:33:53 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: MeanWestTexan
"Also, the standard view in France is that all British men are gay."

Like that's a valid charge coming from the country that invented mimes.

25 posted on 10/31/2005 12:34:44 PM PST by 50sDad (Star Trek Tri-D Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Anyone know a French joke?



I once met Jacque Chirac.




26 posted on 10/31/2005 12:36:25 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (I know my enemy. I have Cable TV.)
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To: Michael Bluth
I myself wonder just how straight men who refer to potatoes as "apples of the earth" are.

Yep, it takes a pretty bloviated language to make English look succinct and crisp. The French have eight word long word descriptions of concepts that the English can describe in two.

27 posted on 10/31/2005 12:38:04 PM PST by 50sDad (Star Trek Tri-D Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: West Coast Conservative


28 posted on 10/31/2005 12:38:05 PM PST by Millee (As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!!)
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To: smith288

"Nobody can outrun a greased Scottsman!"


29 posted on 10/31/2005 12:41:09 PM PST by 50sDad (Star Trek Tri-D Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: 50sDad

"Yep, it takes a pretty bloviated language to make English look succinct and crisp."

"The French have eight word long word descriptions of concepts that the English can describe in two." [17]

Les francais expriment en huit mots ce que les anglais peuvent exprimer en deux. [14]


30 posted on 10/31/2005 12:42:35 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: 50sDad

A mime walks into a bar.



He doesn't say anything.


31 posted on 10/31/2005 12:42:41 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: jess35

Frenchies Getting Another Good Pounding thread Alert


32 posted on 10/31/2005 12:47:12 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: West Coast Conservative
"The British will make jokes about the French which would, if made to the detriment of other national or ethnic groups, be considered extremely racist and dangerous."

Well, I don't want to be a racist (?), or dangerous (?), so I won't call the frogs "cheese eating surrender monkeys," even if they deserve it.

5.56mm

33 posted on 10/31/2005 12:47:14 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: West Coast Conservative
Britons think French deserve their 'negative stereotype': poll

Wait, are these the same Brits whom the majority believe in ghosts but not Jesus? THOSE Brits!!??

Much as I like an opportunity to bash the French, this doesn't provide a credible excuse to me.
34 posted on 10/31/2005 12:49:31 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: MeanWestTexan
"The French are not a race.

I have to dispute this. Have you not heard a popular rhyme which reports...

"The French they are a cuious race;
 $nbsp; The fight with their feet, and..."

followed by another line whose content eludes me.

35 posted on 10/31/2005 12:50:31 PM PST by 50sDad (Star Trek Tri-D Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Qu'est-ce qui est long, dur et qui débouche sur 40 millions de trous-du-cul ?

Le tunnel sous la manche.


36 posted on 10/31/2005 12:53:33 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

French uses eight words to describe concepts while English requires two. [11]

French uses eight words to describe a concept; English needs two. [10]

Two English words say more than eight French.[8]

English is more succinct than French. [6]

English is succinct; French isn't. [5]

Fifty different ways to say (almost) the same thing.

Because English is really a pidgin language made up of several dead and current languages, it has no real rules of grammar or punctuation; it borrows freely.

You can do what you want.

(Although like Yoda you might sound).


37 posted on 10/31/2005 12:58:36 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Vicomte13
"The French have eight word long word descriptions of concepts that the English can describe in two." [17]

Les francais expriment en huit mots ce que les anglais peuvent exprimer en deux. [14]

My aunt's flashlight is on the table. [7]

La lumiere de poche de ma tante est sur la table. [11]

38 posted on 10/31/2005 1:08:47 PM PST by Michael Bluth
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To: MeanWestTexan

French uses eight words to describe concepts while English requires two. [11]

La langue francaise utilise huit mots pour decrire des concepts alors que l'anglais ne demanded que deux. [18]

French uses eight words to describe a concept; English needs two. [10]

Huit mots pour decrire un concept en francais; deux en anglais. [11]

Two English words say more than eight French.[8]

Deux mots en anglais disent plus que huit en francais. [10]

English is more succinct than French. [6]

Anglais est plus succinct que francais. [6]

English is succinct; French isn't. [5]

Anglais: succinct; francais: pas. [4]

Fifty different ways to say (almost) the same thing.

Because English is really a pidgin language made up of several dead and current languages, it has no real rules of grammar or punctuation; it borrows freely.

You can do what you want.

On peut faire ce qu'on veut...

(Although like Yoda you might sound).

(Cependant comme Yoda tu ressemblerais.)

The difference is imaginary, mon ami.


39 posted on 10/31/2005 1:11:46 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Michael Bluth

My aunt's flashlight is on the table. [7]

La torche de ma tante est sur la table. [9]


40 posted on 10/31/2005 1:15:12 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

No, written French (like all Latin-based languages) is more formal and structured and requires all the "le la" business.

English, being about half Germanic, makes that optional.

Hence, shorter.

The benefit of crude, primative, ancestors.


41 posted on 10/31/2005 1:18:21 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: West Coast Conservative

When an SAS officer was asked about the most popular languages amongst his men he answered: "Arabic, Russian . . . and French, ya know, just in case."


42 posted on 10/31/2005 1:21:35 PM PST by BroncosFan ("Now we grieve, 'cause now it's gone / But things were good when we were young.")
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To: West Coast Conservative

frankly, i don't think the poofters deserve *ANYTHING* at all!


43 posted on 10/31/2005 1:23:46 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Let us remember the history of France, one of the oldest inhabited areas on the planet, home of Neanderthal man -
who's genes survive this day , passed on to the ladies of France.
the conquered by Julius Caesar in one of the classic campaigns of ancient times.
The raided at will by the Huns, viking, Goths, Visigoths, Ostrogoth's, and assorted other goth punks of the middle ages.
Then lost the hundred years war to the Brits.
then lost the Germans and dutch in the wars of reformation.
then lost the seven years war.
then lost the Napoleonic wars. ( with a Corsican leader)
then lost the colonies of Haiti 9 yes lost to Haiti)
then lost the colony of Mexico ( yes lost to Mexico)
then lost to Prussia ( Germany)
then almost lost to Germany ( ww1)
then lost to Germany/Italy( ww2)
then lost french indo china
then lost Algeria
no wonder they are grumpy, what with hairy ladies and a loosing streak longer than any one else's
44 posted on 10/31/2005 1:36:10 PM PST by Waverunner
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To: MeanWestTexan

"English, being about half Germanic, makes that optional.
Hence, shorter.
The benefit of crude, primative, ancestors."

Indeed! I cheerfully concede the point!


45 posted on 10/31/2005 1:57:15 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Darksheare; DJ MacWoW

Cheese eating surrender monkey ping. (Check post 44!)


46 posted on 10/31/2005 3:48:37 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (What part of John 14:6 don't you get?)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"British people should face up to the fact that they have an enormous problem when it comes to the French," said exhibition organiser Richard Kaye, a Brition resident in France.

The French are an enormous problem for everyone.

But 86% of Brits realize this.

47 posted on 10/31/2005 6:44:58 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:the Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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To: truth_seeker

Hey truth_seeker,

Question: Do you know why the French planted trees along the Champs Elysees? Answer: So the Germans would not have to march in the sun! Heh, heh....


48 posted on 10/31/2005 7:06:03 PM PST by snoringbear
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To: Vicomte13

"Combien des sous sont ces saucissons la? Ces saucissons sont six sous sont ces saucissons la." (16)

"Oi, How much be them bangers yonder? Them bangers be six groats be them bangers yonder." (16)

Mind you, having said that, the French translation of the latest Harry Potter book is 150 pages longer than the English version. French children will find War and Peace a doddle after that.


49 posted on 11/05/2005 11:26:59 AM PST by propertius
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To: propertius

There's an extra "sont" in the second sentence.


50 posted on 11/05/2005 6:37:48 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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