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Gang of 14 to Meet on Alito
News Max ^ | Nov. 1, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 11/01/2005 12:17:12 PM PST by conservativecorner

Liberal and conservative activists have been spoiling for a fight over the Supreme Court for years. But now that the time for brawling has arrived, a group of centrist senators might take the wind out of everyone’s sails.

Yes, the "Gang of 14” is set to meet again.

A Senate staffer confirmed to Newsmax Monday night that the Gang would meet Thursday morning to discuss the nomination of Judge Samual Alito, Jr. to the Supreme Court.

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The "Gang” is composed of 14 members of the Senate; John McCain (R-AZ), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Mike DeWine (R-OH), John Warner (R-VA), Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Susan Collins (R-ME), Lincoln Chafee (R-RI), Joe Lieberman (D-CT), Robert Byrd (D-WV), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Mark Pryor (D-AR), and Ken Salazar (D-CO).

The group first met in early summer when they agreed that judicial "nominees should only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances.” Their agreement, however, left "extraordinary circumstances” undefined to the discretion of each of the signatories.

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The agreement went untested as a result of the overwhelming brilliance of Chief Justice John Roberts. This time around, Democrats appear likely to offer strong resistance, and perhaps even a filibuster. As a result, the Gang will likely decide the fate of Judge Alito and the future of the Supreme Court.

Appearing Monday on Imus in the Morning, Sen. McCain said he expected Alito’s conservative credentials would ignite rumors of a Democratic filibuster.

"It’s going to mean,” McCain elaborated, "that the Gang of 14 will meet sometime in the next couple of days and we’ll try and see what everyone’s temperature is. I would certainly like to avoid filibustering and blowing up the Senate.”

Senator Warner also believes the Gang will play a vital role in the nomination. "There is a potential,” he says, "for the Gang of 14 to perform a pivotal, if not decisive, role.”

A few Republican members of the Gang have already made their stronger opinions known. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) appeared Sunday on CBS's Face the Nation. He warned Democrats that a filibuster against Judge Alito based on his conservatism would "not stand.”

Jeff Sadoski, spokesman for Sen. DeWine, told Newsmax Monday night that DeWine, based on the present information available, does not believe the Alito nomination constitutes an "extraordinary circumstance.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; alito; rinos

1 posted on 11/01/2005 12:17:12 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

If McCain pulls a power play here, I and a lot of other people are going to PO'd to the max.


2 posted on 11/01/2005 12:19:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: conservativecorner

Perhaps the "Gang of 14" members can swap recipes while they caucus?


3 posted on 11/01/2005 12:19:21 PM PST by RexBeach ("The rest of the world is three drinks behind." -Humphrey Bogart)
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To: DoughtyOne

I can't believe Lindsey Graham would participate in this.


4 posted on 11/01/2005 12:20:16 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: RexBeach

Perhaps the Republican participants can hand over their resumes. If they screw this up, they should get a nice opportunity to use them.


5 posted on 11/01/2005 12:21:31 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

Yeah, something happened to the senator after he left the House and entered the Senate.

Perhaps his shoes are too tight?


6 posted on 11/01/2005 12:26:42 PM PST by RexBeach ("The rest of the world is three drinks behind." -Humphrey Bogart)
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To: DoughtyOne
I can't believe Lindsey Graham would participate in this.

Then you don't know much about John Edwards' and John McCain's little buddy.

7 posted on 11/01/2005 12:26:45 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("She was appointed by a conservative. That ought to have been enough for us." -- NotBrilliant)
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To: conservativecorner

First:

" Can Pheromones Fix Your Relationship? Drink Less Water! Men: Attract Women Now Start Your Day With a Cup of Motivation"

Did Ted "the swimmer" interupt the article with a run by ad?


Second:

I am very weary over 14 Senators meeting to decide the fate of a nominee. That is the job for the Judiciary Committee and then the FULL senate. There is no way that this little cabal should have this kind of clout. Maybe the democrats like operating this way, but these so called Republicans should be stripped and whipped on the floor of the Senate (figuratively speaking that is).


8 posted on 11/01/2005 12:27:30 PM PST by MissouriConservative (I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code)
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To: conservativecorner

I'm tired of the Gang of 14. They are nothing but fence-riders.

Next election will clear some of them out.


9 posted on 11/01/2005 12:28:29 PM PST by Cedar
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To: DoughtyOne

Lindsey Graham is one strange person.


10 posted on 11/01/2005 12:30:57 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: conservativecorner
This is the part of the 14 I don't get. If a judge was previously approved, how could he be considered extreme now? If he is extreme now, why wasn't he extreme for the lower courts? Why are they allowing extremist of any kind on the lower courts?
11 posted on 11/01/2005 12:31:33 PM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: conservativecorner

12 posted on 11/01/2005 12:32:06 PM PST by pogo101
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To: DoughtyOne

This "gang of 14" crap needs to be brought to an abrubt halt. The Rino's on that "gang" need to stripped of every committee seat they have and informed they can sit on Republican committee seats when they are sure they want to be Republicans.


13 posted on 11/01/2005 12:32:09 PM PST by Dreagon
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To: MissouriConservative

You are so right. I'd like to know the difference between a judge legislating from the bench and allowing 14 misrepresentatives to hijack the entire senate.


14 posted on 11/01/2005 12:34:19 PM PST by AmericanChef
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To: DoughtyOne

McCain cannot vote to sustain a fillibuster on Alito, and then run for president in 2008. He would be finished instantly.


15 posted on 11/01/2005 12:34:46 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

He may not know it yet, but he already is.


16 posted on 11/01/2005 12:37:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: RexBeach

LOL, that would account for it... heh heh heh...


17 posted on 11/01/2005 12:37:43 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: conservativecorner

"The Over-the-Hill Gang Rides Again!"


18 posted on 11/01/2005 12:38:05 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: conservativecorner

"Can Pheromones Fix Your Relationship? Drink Less Water! Men: Attract Women Now Start Your Day With a Cup of Motivation"

HAHAHAHAHA!


19 posted on 11/01/2005 12:38:11 PM PST by NapkinUser ("It is a damn poor mind indeed which can think of only one way to spell a word." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: JohnnyZ

Yes, he has been going south for a while now. I'm not sure why.


20 posted on 11/01/2005 12:38:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Siena Dreaming

Well, he sure seems to have lost his way of late, that's for sure.


21 posted on 11/01/2005 12:38:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: conservativecorner
[ "It’s going to mean,” McCain elaborated, "that the Gang of 14 will meet sometime in the next couple of days and we’ll try and see what everyone’s temperature is. I would certainly like to avoid filibustering and blowing up the Senate.” ]

I say blow it.. FIRE IN THE HOLE...

22 posted on 11/01/2005 12:38:57 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Dreagon

I'm with you on that.


23 posted on 11/01/2005 12:39:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: conservativecorner

Just a thought.....McCain will use the "gang of 14" as his trump card to the '08 nomination. By having the "gang" prevent a filibuster, and obtaining an up or down vote for Alito, McCain will endear himself to the hearts of conservatives.


24 posted on 11/01/2005 12:41:03 PM PST by KenmcG414
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To: DoughtyOne

perhaps. but also consider that McCain is out of favor with the conservative base, he could use this Alito thing to pivot on if he leads to stop the fillibuster. I guarantee that you will see alot of people here on FR with "new found respect" for McCain if he votes to break the fillibuster, and brings a couple of other Rs in the gang with him. its a way to make lemonade out of lemons for him.


25 posted on 11/01/2005 12:41:06 PM PST by oceanview
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To: DoughtyOne
Yes, he has been going south for a while now.

Graham's always been like that. He got a lot of conservative adulation for being an impeachment manager, but he's always been .... McCainish, we'll say.

26 posted on 11/01/2005 12:41:31 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("She was appointed by a conservative. That ought to have been enough for us." -- NotBrilliant)
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To: KenmcG414

beat me by one post!

you are correct.


27 posted on 11/01/2005 12:41:50 PM PST by oceanview
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To: DoughtyOne

McCain will run with Hillary ...... McCain Hillary .. one term for him and two terms for her.


28 posted on 11/01/2005 12:43:21 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want yo"ur opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Actually I don't have a big problem with the gang of 14 as of yet. I guess I not too thrilled of the use of a filibuster for any old reason by either side. If they hold together on this then Alito gets confirmed. PEriod. It seemed to perform its function during the Roberts nomination.


29 posted on 11/01/2005 12:43:52 PM PST by bayourant
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To: Dreagon; AmericanChef

If Frist has the stones, he needs to go to each "gang" member and let them know that whatever committee they are on is gone from this moment forward. They will be put on the lowest committee possible until they realize that they are Republicans and not feudal lords. They should also find out that any and all pork projects for their people will be cut for "deficit reduction" until further notice.

It's time to play hardball. It's time for Frist to drop a mini nuke and maybe that will let the democrats know that he is willing and able to drop the mother nuke.


30 posted on 11/01/2005 12:44:37 PM PST by MissouriConservative (I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code)
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To: DoughtyOne
I can't believe Lindsey Graham would participate in this.

Byrd seems to be the odd man in this group. As one of the "High Priests" of the democrats, he is not anywhere near a centrist from either party. It looks like he is the most partisan of anyone in this "gang". Its like having Larry Craig-Idaho, as member of the Black Caucus...and them actually accepting him.

31 posted on 11/01/2005 12:48:38 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: oceanview

I can appreciate that. Some may find new respect for him. I don't think I could overlook the way he has acted over the last five for six years. He is not a national leader. I see him as a major embarassment.


32 posted on 11/01/2005 12:52:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: bayourant

Well, we'll see.


33 posted on 11/01/2005 12:53:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: muleskinner

LOL, yes I guess there's truth in that.


34 posted on 11/01/2005 12:53:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: MissouriConservative

Why don't you wait and see what goes on, first? If this group of Senators ends up killing off a filibuster and Alito is confirmed, what's the problem?


35 posted on 11/01/2005 12:59:26 PM PST by RonF
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To: conservativecorner
I think it's pretty obvious that the Gang of 14 is going to agree that Alito does not represent an "extraordinary circumstance" and hence that they will not support a filibuster. That preserves the Gang of 14's apparent power as arbiters of judicial nominations, and it eliminates the immediate threat of the nuclear/constitutional option.

Of course the far left will be pissed off at the Democratic members of the Gang of 14, but the left will be pissed off no matter what since Alito is extremely likely to be confirmed. Agreement by the Gang of 14 to eschew a filibuster will clinch Alito's confirmation, and take all the wind out of the Democrats' sails.

After that it will just be a matter of going through the motions. Alito will ultimately receive about 65 Yes votes.

36 posted on 11/01/2005 1:11:48 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: conservativecorner
This gang of 14 is nothing than a group of nuts that are trying to take over the nomination process. McNut is the traitor to the Republican Party and is a liberal CRAT. We should start the process of tossing him out of the party and exposing him so he will lose the next election.
37 posted on 11/01/2005 1:13:54 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: MissouriConservative
I am very weary over 14 Senators meeting to decide the fate of a nominee

I'll say it again. 14 is a cover-up, Gang of 7 is the reality. These 7 are a 'gang', they have rebelled against their party and have an independent, mischievous agenda leading to build their own power.

These 7 are negotiating with Democratic bank-rollers, through the senate Democrats, with these 7 being helpless surrogates.

Acting president McCain and Lindsey, IMO have bit off more than they can chew. Lindsey can recover, but McCain is toast.

38 posted on 11/01/2005 1:16:19 PM PST by duckln (Out with the Leaders of the Gang of 7, McCain and Linsey)
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To: muleskinner

Actually, Byrd often endordes conservative judicial nominees. I'll bet he's going to vote for Alito.


39 posted on 11/01/2005 1:19:31 PM PST by Truthsayer20
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To: MissouriConservative
If Frist has the stones, he needs to go to each "gang" member and let them know that whatever committee they are on is gone from this moment forward. They will be put on the lowest committee possible until they realize that they are Republicans and not feudal lords. They should also find out that any and all pork projects for their people will be cut for "deficit reduction" until further notice.

Unlikely, for two reasons.

FIrst, Frist doesn't have the stones.

Second, the seven (R) members of the Gang makes up one-eighth of all (R) senators - too many for him to pull a power play of that sort.

40 posted on 11/01/2005 1:35:03 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: JohnnyZ

Not to mention Chucky from the demoncrat party.


41 posted on 11/01/2005 2:24:45 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

I suspect the "gang" is just cover for certain "Republicans" to vote with the Democrats.


42 posted on 11/01/2005 4:07:59 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
If a judge was previously approved, how could he be considered extreme now? If he is extreme now, why wasn't he extreme for the lower courts? Why are they allowing extremist of any kind on the lower courts?

So, then, you'd be fine with Alberto Gonzales, or any of the judges of the Ninth Circus? After all, they were all confirmed before.

43 posted on 11/01/2005 4:41:07 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: conservativecorner
Senator Warner also believes the Gang will play a vital role in the nomination. "There is a potential,” he says, "for the Gang of 14 to perform a pivotal, if not decisive, role.”
Gee... these guys just grab at a straw and they think they make some hay!!! SIGH
44 posted on 11/01/2005 8:14:08 PM PST by Toidylop
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