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Duquesne Sophomore Challenges 'Sexual Orientation' Harassment Charge
Agape Press ^ | 11/1/05 | Jim Brown

Posted on 11/01/2005 4:21:43 PM PST by wagglebee

A student at a Catholic university in Pittsburgh is protesting the school's decision to punish him for opposing the formation of a homosexual student group on campus.

Duquesne University recently charged sophomore Ryan Miner with discrimination based on sexual orientation. Miner says he was punished for comments he made on a private website called Facebook.com after creating a group called "Against the Gay-Straight Alliance." Miner explains what happened.

"I had written a blog, and I used not the most prudent of words but words that I felt coincided within my faith in the Catholic Church," the student shares. "I said, 'Why do we have to tolerate the sub-human actions of people like this on campus?'"

Following his comments online, a judicial affairs panel at Duquesne found Miner guilty of "sexual orientation" harassment. As part of his punishment, he was ordered to take down his blog and write a ten-page expository essay on the pros and cons of homosexuality. Miner, who is appealing the action, believes the school is employing a double standard and can no longer claim to be a traditional or conventional Catholic institution.

"I think the essay is profoundly a bad idea because it argues on the viewpoints both for and against homosexuality," he says, "and the last time I checked I don't recall [seeing] any viewpoints especially for homosexuality regarding my faith in the Catholic Church and a God."

Miner notes he has been contacted by several conservative legal groups, but has yet to receive a call from the American Civil Liberties Union.


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As part of his punishment, he was ordered to take down his blog and write a ten-page expository essay on the pros and cons of homosexuality.

I would be happy to help with his "essay":

Pros: If you enjoy deviant, sinful behavior, then this is a lifestyle sure to lead to a miserable life.

Cons: Ten pages isn't nearly enough!

1 posted on 11/01/2005 4:21:44 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K; Coleus; NYer

Homosexual agenda/Catholic college ping.


2 posted on 11/01/2005 4:22:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: All

Just how does one pronounce "Duquesne"?


3 posted on 11/01/2005 4:24:08 PM PST by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: andyk

Just like it's spelled. :)


4 posted on 11/01/2005 4:26:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

There are no pros to contra-health conduct. This student's free speech was un-Constitutionally subverted to politically coercive ideological indoctrination. He needs to fight this.


5 posted on 11/01/2005 4:26:25 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: andyk

Doo-cain


6 posted on 11/01/2005 4:26:50 PM PST by eastsider
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To: wagglebee

Grrr :)


7 posted on 11/01/2005 4:27:32 PM PST by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: eastsider

Thanks!


8 posted on 11/01/2005 4:27:45 PM PST by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: wagglebee

Heck I didn't even know Duquesne was a catholic college!


9 posted on 11/01/2005 4:30:12 PM PST by Cricket24 ("We have met the enemy and it's the U.S. press (and the democrats and some Republicans)!")
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To: Cricket24
Heck I didn't even know Duquesne was a catholic college!

It's news to them, too.

10 posted on 11/01/2005 4:33:13 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: wagglebee
'Why do we have to tolerate the sub-human actions of people like this on campus?'"

That's interesting. Earlier articles on this situation claimed that he had said homosexuals were sub-human. If this quote is accurate, he has clear identified the behavior, rather than the person, as sub-human.

From the point of view of gay activists, it's still "homophobic," but from the standpoint of Christianity, there is a difference.

11 posted on 11/01/2005 4:39:31 PM PST by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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To: wagglebee; cpforlife.org
a judicial affairs panel at Duquesne found Miner guilty of "sexual orientation" harassment.

The Duquesne judicial affairs panel is guilty of intolerance, ping.

12 posted on 11/01/2005 4:45:14 PM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (Even if your mother says she loves you, check it out.)
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To: Tax-chick

I agree. I've known homosexuals, and many of them are very nice and I have no problem being friendly with them. However, that does not mean that I condone their behavior.


13 posted on 11/01/2005 4:49:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
I have been to the Duquesne Campus twice today. Mr. Miner is wrong and Duquesne is wrong. Mr. Miner has the right to say whatever he wants off campus, but what he said was abhorrent. He said that homosexuals were "subhuman". He later qualified his words to say that he was taken out of context and that he meant the acts, not the people were subhuman.

For those of you with historical knowledge, you will recognize the word subhuman as the English translation of untermensch, Hitler's word for homosexuals (and others). Hitler used the classification as "subhuman" to exterminate homosexuals.

Mr. Miner's biggest offense is that he claims his religion teaches that homosexuality is somehow subhuman. It may be a sin, but sin is all too human. His religion teaches that he should love not only his neighbor, but even his enemies. He would have been much better off joining the gay straight alliance and helping the gay members to understand that Jesus loves them and God forgives those who repent.

A ten page essay is a small price to pay.
14 posted on 11/01/2005 4:49:36 PM PST by exDemocratbutnotRepubican
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To: Right Wing Assault
"Heck I didn't even know Duquesne was a catholic college!"

The actual name of the school is Duquesne University of the Holy Spirit

15 posted on 11/01/2005 4:51:29 PM PST by exDemocratbutnotRepubican
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To: wagglebee

On the other hand, if post #14 is correct, then the student did say homosexuals are subhuman, and that's not consistent with Christianity.


16 posted on 11/01/2005 5:13:11 PM PST by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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To: andyk

The correct pronounciation is "doo-KANE". When we 'burghers fool around it's "doo-kwezny". It's a "'burgh thing.


17 posted on 11/01/2005 5:21:06 PM PST by jdsteel (Liberalism IS a mental disease!!!)
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To: Tax-chick

Everything, I've read indicates that he was talking about the actions of homosexuals and homosexuality. I have not seen a direct quote where he refers to homosexuals as being subhuman. There is, as you said, a huge difference.

http://kdka.com/local/local_story_300132528.html
http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid22087.asp
http://www.herald-mail.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=123131&format=html

There are editorials that claim he described homosexuals as subhuman, but they do not give any direct quotes.

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=24973&pid=1358


18 posted on 11/01/2005 5:30:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican
For those of you with historical knowledge, you will recognize the word subhuman as the English translation of untermensch, Hitler's word for homosexuals (and others). Hitler used the classification as "subhuman" to exterminate homosexuals.

I use the word "sub-human" to describe rapists and pedophiles.

Oh no, I must be a nazi.

He should write a 10 page paper on how freedom of speech is being outlawed today.

19 posted on 11/01/2005 5:32:42 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: andyk

Dew Cane


20 posted on 11/01/2005 5:38:51 PM PST by CatholicLady
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To: Right Wing Assault

When I was growing up in Pgh in the 40's and 50's there was no question that it was a Catholic college - it was also the name of one of Pgh's most famous beers.


21 posted on 11/01/2005 5:40:32 PM PST by CatholicLady
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican
You make some good points in post 14. And your screenname is interesting.

Welcome to Free Republic. Glad to have you here.

22 posted on 11/01/2005 5:44:59 PM PST by Semper911
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To: CatholicLady

I remember the beer.


23 posted on 11/01/2005 6:18:48 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: wagglebee; EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Just as I thought. I figured Miner got harassed due to his objection to the "Gay Straight Alliance" club. Looks as though that's what happened. Catholic University? (Comment deleted)

Would that it really WAS a Catholic university. God bless this young man and may he continue to stand up for the Truth courageously. I hope the ACLJ or Rutherford Institute help him out. Oh, and it's also crystal clear that he called homosexual activities subhuman, not people subhuman.

ALCU. I spit on them.

Freepmail me AND DirtyHarryY2K if you want on/off this pinglist.


24 posted on 11/01/2005 6:21:58 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

My parents both went to Georgetown back when it really was a Catholic school, almost all of them have devolved into leftist secular cesspools.


25 posted on 11/01/2005 6:24:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Interesting. One hesitates to believe the press, frankly.


26 posted on 11/01/2005 6:38:59 PM PST by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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To: little jeremiah; Salvation; NYer

Homosexuality is an abortion of procreative potentialities.

In that regard, it is a cousin of abortion.


27 posted on 11/01/2005 6:42:22 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican

You're kidding, right? That he should have joined the "Gay Straight Alliance" club and preached to them? Had he done that, he would have been lucky not to have the crap beat out of him!

If they can't stand his calling same sex activities "subhuman" on an internet forum, what would the same intolerant fascist like homosexuals and their supporters do to him in person?

You're not familiar with the tactics of organized "gay" agenda promoters, apparently.


28 posted on 11/01/2005 6:44:24 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican

With all due respect, the statement below is utterly unfounded in truth:

"Hitler used the classification as "subhuman" to exterminate homosexuals."

If you or anyone else would like to know the truth about Hitler, Nazis, death camps, and homosexuality, here's a good place to start: "The Pink Swastika" by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams. It's usually available on Amazon, and maybe still from www.defendthefamily.com or www.abidingtruth.com

Hitler never exterminated homosexuals. Only a few thousand were put in camps (a tiny fraction of the homosexual population in Germany at that time), often political enemies (whether they were actually homosexual or not), and never targeted for extermination like Jews, gypsies and other groups. Most homosexuals who died in the camps died from disease. Hitler himself was likely a homosexual - read "Hidden Hitler" by Lothar Machtan - and surrounded himself with homosexuals.

Don't insult the memory of those who were slaughtered by the Nazis by comparing the extermination of Jews with the mild treatment given to a FEW homosexuals.


29 posted on 11/01/2005 6:55:05 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican
Mr. Miner's biggest offense is that he claims his religion teaches that homosexuality is somehow subhuman. It may be a sin, but sin is all too human.

Sin is the failing of a human -not a defining characteristic. Your assertion is flawed... The Catholic Church teaches that as human beings created in God's image we possess the ability to choose authentic freedom -with God's grace authentic freedom can be realized. Your assertion flies in the face of this truth regarding humanity and happens to correspond with the homosexual agenda meme that actions define individuals and that individuals (like animals) are enslaved by thier inclinations and or predispositions...

30 posted on 11/01/2005 7:20:58 PM PST by DBeers ()
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican
-this may better describe my point:


31 posted on 11/01/2005 7:28:16 PM PST by DBeers ()
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To: wagglebee
Pros: Guys are easy. No more having to spend money on women in order to get some "action". Just go to your local gay park.

Cons: Ingest fecal matter, get all sorts of diseases. Die young. Go to hell.

Any questions?

32 posted on 11/01/2005 7:33:48 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: wagglebee
These nice people have a bad habit of participating in orgies. . It is nothing like Will and Grace, or so I am told.
33 posted on 11/01/2005 7:37:43 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: DBeers; exDemocratbutnotRepubican

Here's an article, just pung it out, giving an illustration of what I was saying up the thread. Why Mr. Miner said what he said, and what the likely result would have been if he had tried to join the "Gay/Straight" club (if it was indeed sponsored by the supposedly Catholic University):

Ex-Gay Conference Meets with Massive Protest
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1513562/posts?page=70

Excerpt of dialogue:

***More than 1,000 gay activists and protesters jammed the street in front of the historic Tremont Temple Baptist Church on Saturday, shouting "Get the f--- out of Boston!" during Focus on the Family's Love Won Out conference.

Their shouts echoed up the canyon-like walls of the tall buildings on either side: "Focus on the Family! Shut it down! James Dobson! Shut him down! Hate-filled churches! Shut 'em down!"

"Being gay is natural. Homosexuality is natural. It's just a part of everyone's life."


34 posted on 11/01/2005 7:40:44 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Rodney King
LOL -very succint... Sound like something Will Rogers might have said; e.g.

"I never met a homosexual that was not suffering a disorder"

35 posted on 11/01/2005 7:54:15 PM PST by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers

More from the Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons:

"As in every moral disorder, homosexual activity prevents one's own fulfillment and happiness by acting contrary to the creative wisdom of God. The Church, in rejecting erroneous opinions regarding homosexuality, does not limit but rather defends personal freedom and dignity realistically and authentically understood.

...Nevertheless, increasing numbers of people today, even within the Church, are bringing enormous pressure to bear on the Church to accept the homosexual condition as though it were not disordered and to condone homosexual activity. Those within the Church who argue in this fashion often have close ties with those with similar views outside it.

...The Church's ministers must ensure that homosexual persons in their care will not be misled by this point of view, so profoundly opposed to the teaching of the Church. But the risk is great and there are many who seek to create confusion regarding the Church's position, and then to use that confusion to their own advantage.

9. The movement within the Church, which takes the form of pressure groups of various names and sizes, attempts to give the impression that it represents all homosexual persons who are Catholics. As a matter of fact, its membership is by and large restricted to those who either ignore the teaching of the Church or seek somehow to undermine it. It brings together under the aegis of Catholicism homosexual persons who have no intention of abandoning their homosexual behaviour. One tactic used is to protest that any and all criticism of or reservations about homosexual people, their activity and lifestyle, are simply diverse forms of unjust discrimination.

There is an effort in some countries to manipulate the Church by gaining the often well-intentioned support of her pastors with a view to changing civil-statutes and laws. This is done in order to conform to these pressure groups' concept that homosexuality is at least a completely harmless, if not an entirely good, thing.

Even when the practice of homosexuality may seriously threaten the lives and well-being of a large number of people, its advocates remain undeterred and refuse to consider the magnitude of the risks involved. The Church can never be so callous.

It is true that her clear position cannot be revised by pressure from civil legislation or the trend of the moment. But she is really concerned about the many who are not represented by the pro-homosexual movement and about those who may have been tempted to believe its deceitful propaganda.

She is also aware that the view that homosexual activity is equivalent to, or as acceptable as, the sexual expression of conjugal love has a direct impact on society's understanding of the nature and rights of the family and puts them in jeopardy.

10. It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church's pastors wherever it occurs. ...But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase."


36 posted on 11/01/2005 8:28:44 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: little jeremiah

Does anyone have the original article with Miner's statements?
In this article Miner is quoted as saying that the behavior (not homosexuals themselves) is subhuman. I'm wondering if this quote is an accurate one.


37 posted on 11/02/2005 2:37:45 AM PST by Lindykim (Courage is the first of all the virtues...if you haven*t courage, you may not have the opportunity)
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To: wagglebee
Pro: No liberal kids

Cons: It's bad, evil, wrong, sinful, etc., etc., etc.

38 posted on 11/02/2005 3:00:49 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican
His religion teaches that he should love not only his neighbor, but even his enemies.

Love for neighbor includes rebuking sinners.

Proverbs 28:23

He who rebukes a man will in the end gain more favor than he who has a flattering tongue.

Luke 17:2-4

"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him."


39 posted on 11/02/2005 4:49:12 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican
Mr. Miner is wrong and Duquesne is wrong. Mr. Miner has the right to say whatever he wants off campus, but what he said was abhorrent. He said that homosexuals were "subhuman". He later qualified his words to say that he was taken out of context and that he meant the acts, not the people were subhuman.

A. What he said was that homosexual acts were sub-human. (And they are)

B. Even if he said that homosexuals were sub-human (and a case can be made for this viewpoint since they identify themselves only by their actions) it is his constitutional right to say what he believes and neither the university nor anyone else can do squat about it. Read the first Ammendment to the Constitution.

Mr. Miner's biggest offense is that he claims his religion teaches that homosexuality is somehow subhuman.

At it's most basic core (the bible) Mr. Miner's religion teaches that all homosexuals should be executed. I'd call that a pretty goo dclue that God thinks the behavior is sub-human. His religion teaches that he should love not only his neighbor, but even his enemies. He would have been much better off joining the gay straight alliance and helping the gay members to understand that Jesus loves them and God forgives those who repen

Do you love someone if you, by your actions enabling them to remain in sin, speed them on their way to hell? Those who really love the people trapped in homosexuality are the ones encouraging them to get therapy and get out of that lifestyle. We desire to see them saved and changed and living the upright, moral, heterosexual lives God has for them. Those who hate the people trapped in homosexuality are the ones who encourage them to stay in it and thus to die young and burn in hell.

40 posted on 11/02/2005 5:42:29 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: little jeremiah
You're not familiar with the tactics of organized "gay" agenda promoters, apparently.

From his post it looks like he is all too familiar with the tactics of the 'gay' agenda promoters.

41 posted on 11/02/2005 5:44:05 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: little jeremiah

Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested, and of these, some 50,000 officially-defined homosexuals were sentenced. Most of these men spent time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 were sent to concentration camps. Those defined as homosexuals were designated by a pink triangle. We do not know how many of these men died in the camps. (Jews who were homosexuals were killed because they were jews)


42 posted on 11/02/2005 6:26:31 AM PST by exDemocratbutnotRepubican
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To: Lindykim
"Does anyone have the original article with Miner's statements? In this article Miner is quoted as saying that the behavior (not homosexuals themselves) is subhuman. I'm wondering if this quote is an accurate one.>

http://kdka.com/local/local_story_300132528.html

43 posted on 11/02/2005 6:30:58 AM PST by exDemocratbutnotRepubican
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican

So you're comparing 5-10,000 sent to camps, not targeted for extinction, with the 6 million Jews sent to death camps for the purpose of mass slaughter? Actually, 6 million were killed; more were sent to the camps since some did manage to escape death.

And since many of the Nazis themselves were homosexuals, as well as many camp commanders, you cannot make a comparison between the treatment Jews received and that homosexuals received. Plus, I'd like to see a source for your numbers.

You are aware of the two camps of homosexuals in pre-war Germany, right? And why the "book burning" took place?


44 posted on 11/02/2005 7:07:35 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: John O

Good to see you, John O! I was thinking about you today and yesterday. Hope things are going well with you and yours.


45 posted on 11/02/2005 7:09:31 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
Hope things are going well with you and yours.

For me, better than I expected. But since my wife has really been gone for about a year (Due to her illness she wasn't really herself for the last year) I'm about a year further into the grieving process than I expected to be. My daughter is having a rough time right now. I think it's finally sinking in that mommy is really gone and she's not coming back. Please keep Autumn in your prayers.

46 posted on 11/02/2005 8:08:41 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: wagglebee

His use of the word "sub-human" is unnessecary.

A homosexual is just as much a human as I even though I few them as wrong and misguided. He is not showing a very good Christ-like example.

Love the sinner, hate the sin... If he wanted to say "I wont promote this sub-human type of lifestyle" then I could understand his beef as its about the lifestyle, not any particular person or group. He didnt do that...he called them all sub-human because of their alternative morals (which I agree are disgusting at best).

The way he is using the word is similiar to how skinheads use the term towards jews and blacks. If you call a pedophile a sub-human, the general public takes it much better than if you call a person who has committed no crimes or are different than you sub-human.

Just my humble opinion of course.


47 posted on 11/02/2005 8:18:33 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: wagglebee

I stand corrected...after reading his words, he did call the actions of homosexuality as sub-human.

Forget my previous post.


48 posted on 11/02/2005 8:19:26 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: little jeremiah
I am not a homosexual. My son attends Duquesne, is in the Knights of Columbus, and volunteers as a Eucharistic Minister. He is also not gay. My statement that Hitler called gays untermensch was correct, and they were sent to death camps because of it.

I at no time compared the deaths of homosexuals to those of others. I do think it is wrong to imprison and kill homosexuals, even one.

Duquesne is not a liberal school. My son is conservative and has not been punished for it. I just wanted to put this "controversy" in perspective.

My original post said that Mr. Miner had the right to say what he said. I also said he was wrong in the way he said it. He admits it himself.

My point was that a 10 page essay is small potatoes compared to what he could have expected at liberal schools. At Duquesne, they espouse writing accross the curriculum. They write 10 page essays just to go to the bathroom.

49 posted on 11/02/2005 8:57:24 AM PST by exDemocratbutnotRepubican
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican

I never hinted or thought that you were a homosexual. Just pointing out fallacies in your statements.

I never suggested or thought that homosexuals should be imprisoned or killed. I do consider that sodomy should be illegal, to keep it out of parks, beaches, public restrooms, the public streets, and public school classrooms. IOW, to keep it private behavior, which was the intention of the laws anyway.

Homosexuals were not - NOT - sent to death camps in the same way Jews, gypsies, or other groups were. There were many kinds of camps, and homosexuals were in no way targeted for extinction. In fact, many of the homosexuals arrested and/or sent to camps were arrested for prostitution or weren't even homosexuals at all, but were arrested for political reasons and the homosexual charge was an excuse. The fact is that in Berlin especially in the 20s and 30s there was a huge homosexual contingent, social life, many many clubs, and so on. Many of the Nazis belonged to a number of homosexual organizations. In fact, at that time homosexuality was called the German vice. You ought to read "The Pink Swastika" and find out the facts about homosexuality, the Nazis, and Hitler.

I know nothing about Duquesne, but here is an article I just pinged out about a bunch of Catholic universities and their promotion of homosexuality:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513575/posts
Catholic colleges discuss making school a good place for gays


50 posted on 11/02/2005 9:29:01 AM PST by little jeremiah
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