Skip to comments.Putin: Terror rooted in USSR breakup
Posted on 11/01/2005 5:06:38 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday his country's problem with terrorism is rooted in the breakup of the Soviet Union.
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He is correct. There was a power vacuum in the region. Russia is still not capable of reasserting hegemony over their former sphere, which is why the US is in there. When Russia recovers, things will quiet down. Whenever that comes, which it appears the Millenium will arrive first.
Yes, a totalitarian socialist state with no freedom of speech, religion, association or movement probably does cut down on opportunities for terrorism... How odd that people have to be tricked into it with unfulfillable promises... /sarcasm
"Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday his country's problem with terrorism is rooted in the breakup of the Soviet Union."
He just NOW figured this out???
The Soviet apologist known as "Poohbah" even said once that nothing like 911 ever happened during the cold war because the KGB was around to stop it.
It must really burn them up that Ronald Reagan helped the Afghanis bleed their beloved communist Red Army dry.
Ergo, USSR2 (or make it, 2+ .... the SCO and all that ...).
More proof that Putin wants the USSR back!
he always has ......once a red always a red!
Putin ONLY talks about burying lenin when he is in trouble from the west for going "Too" communist. He Keeps us wondering over here, a classic tactic of a experenced KGB agent.
I thought it was rooted because your country forcefully removed thousands of the Chechs. to Eastern Siberia after the war. That would piss me off too.
Just imagine what he would have figured out toting a "free" and "open" mindset!
That's absolutely correct.
To this day Moscow acts as though the multi-millions which were forced out of homelands - never happened.
You do understand that most of the people didn't want the nation known as the USSR to break up is NOT the same as wanting the Soviet System back. Now, deny that because of the break up of the Soviets that Islamics did not flood the southern and northern Caucuses and Central Asia. So what part of what he said isn't true?
Yes, Putin went communist you're absolutely right.
That's why they now have private property rights, which the democrat Yeltsin seems to have never gotten to. That's why they now have trial by jury, again, Yeltsin never quite got to that...to busy taking Clinton cash and advice. That's why they have a 13% flat income tax, our socialist tax system though is much much much more superior. They have a 24% corporate rate and a 14% corporate tech rate. Killed the sales tax, cut VAT by 1/3 and there is plans to cut it by another 1/3 and payroll taxes by 1/2 and shrunk the size of government, taking away the perks of the parliamentarians. Furthermore, they are paying off all of their external debt and set up a Anne Rand prescribed emergency fund for recessions, untouchable by the Duma.
Yup, all are communist moves, total communist moves. Those sneaky red bastards decided to implement our dream economic philosophies....damn commies.
Oh and on top of it all, they implemented Christian education programs in the schools and military! And they banned abortion after 12 weeks....see they have no love of freedom of choice! COMMIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
True. Everything was just lovely before the breakup. Back in the good old days, the communists spread terror around the the old C.C.C.P and the rest of the world equally.
Not to mention all those nukes pointed at us and our allies.
Again, most Russians and quite a few people in the Slavic republics and Central Asia lament the break up of the nation, this is not the same thing as lamenting the death of the communist party.
Just like the Chinese are a capitalist society, and Vietam is coming close to being one. China is more capitolist than Russia is, and has the same level of personal liberties.
And it is why China fears breaking up too. Too many Islamists in the Western provences of the PRC.
China is controlled directly by the Communist party, a one party rule that still controls the heights of industry, which in this case is actually a fascist strategy.
So Putin wants to put the USSR back together??
I wonder why the Lenin's mummy's issue is important for some people.
If you buy Mr. Putin's dribble you should go and post on DU.
If the USSR stil was in existence would we really expect the Mooselimb problem to be any better? I'd think that the USSR would probably be stirring up and arming the likes of Al Qaeda.
And, under the law of unintended consequences, gave birth to al-queda.
"Problem is, you've just described every Islamic's dream state. As long as the Russians can't take control (militarily or economically) of these regions, terrorism will flourish and much of it WILL find its way to us, just like always. As for us, our positions there are untenable in the long run, as there are no ports or allied nations with adequate infrastructure to support a sizable force."
And the problem is that you have correctly described the situation.
On the other hand we don't want the Kremlin to return to heavy handed tactics that would force us to treat them adversarily.
It's a delicate balance and the administration seems to be doing fairly well. It was certainly encouraging to see Putin talking about not running for a third term.
Furthermore, if only the communists were gotten rid of, Russia (as in all of the USSR) would have resembled the old Empire, as it's doing anyways, and yes, they would have pushed the Islamics down, just like they did before.
Starting with Tsarina Elizabeth, the Muslim lands were open to missionaries from all denominations of Christianity.
That's what many in the West can't get through their heads. They want to keep thinking of the Russians in the frame of the 1970s, Russians think of themselves in the frame of the 1910s and the reality on the ground is nothing in comparisson with the drival that these "experts" pump out...experts, mind you, the majority of which have never stepped foot in Russia (most never stepped foot in the USSR either for that matter).
Somehow I think once that first WMD goes off in an American city and the death toll climbs to x10 or x100 that of 911, we'll be encouraging and cheering the Russians to do just that.
"Somehow I think once that first WMD goes off in an American city and the death toll climbs to x10 or x100 that of 911, we'll be encouraging and cheering the Russians to do just that."
I lived through the end of the cold war and I had family die from Stalinism and it was a much larger problem than Al Quaida - that is not a trade off we should take willingly.
But you are right that the American public reaction might well include panic and a willingness to do and accept anything in the name of safety.
There was little terrorism in Nazi Germany as well (except the state-sponsored kind, of course).
Those regions were islamic already.
I have no reason to doubt that.
Putin said in December 2001 that the Chechnya deal was really about creating a global caliphate. A month later the PM of Singapore announced evidence on a captured PC that indicated El-Jemiaah (sp?) has plans to create a SEAsian Caliphate that would link with regional caliphates in Africa, the ME and the Caucusus Mountains. I have no reason to doubt that this is still the objective.
On every battlefield where you find dead al-Qaeda you will find Chechens. Need I say more?
There won't be any stalinism in Russia but more then likely sooner or later there will be Tsarism and if you read up on history, Russia and America were allies form the start and up until 1917....of course this does not mean that men like Armnhammer or Ford or Rockefellers weren't trying (along with their leftist media allies....yup even back then) to get rid of the Tsar and help the "social" experiment in Russia.
The power vacueem that was created, especially with Taliban Afghanistan and Pakistan next door, not to mention Iran, and all those Arab Mujahadjin around....well we all know the results of this. Better a Christian Russia comes back and Christianizes that area then Wahhibies continue to set up shop. Islam in that area will get back to us, no matter what.
The simple fact that Russia has a dozen major and minor political parties and China ONE.
how much blood is on his hands???? i take it you live there or going too? helping syria,iran china? seeya commie
They have even been found in the Western provences of the PRC.
p i n g.
Putin is still Soviet in heart, that is why he is spreading communist propaganda, like some pseudo-conservatives in this thread.
Well, given the nature of USSR as a state, he might have a point - if you break a bottle, there will be come contents spillage.
Putin wants to keep Russia one country, rather than see it break up into several. If Muslim territories succeed in gaining independence, other areas will demand the same. So he will try to consolidate power in the central government.
Russia is too weak militarily and politically to defeat these Muslim rebels any time soon. The Russians will be tied down for many years just trying to maintain the current borders of the country. A revival of the former USSR in terms of expanding territory is not an option.
Does this mean that the Russian government will become as brutal as the former Soviet Union? That is certainly a possibility. Hopefully Putin will put more resources into building a better economy than copying the former police state.