Posted on 11/01/2005 9:32:47 PM PST by Valin
Fort Worth Star Tribune columnist Bobby Ray Sanders on Judge Alito being more comfortable in a white robe than a black robe.
Yup, you heard me right.
HH: Joined now from Fort Worth, Texas, by Bob Ray Sanders. He's a columnist for the Forth Worth Star Telegram. He's been in public broadcasting for, like, twenty years. I mean, longer than I have, in fact. Producer and host of the station's award-winning public affairs program, News Edition. But this morning, he was on Channel 4 in Dallas. Bob Ray, welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show. How are you?
BRS: I'm fine. How are you?
HH: Good. It's been reliably reported to me, and I want to give you a chance to confirm or deny that this morning, you said Justice Alito would do just as well in a white robe as a black one.
BRS: Okay, well, you don't have reliable sources, because that's not what I said about Judge Alito.
HH: Then tell us what you said.
BRS: Well, I was asked...we were talking about Judge Alito, and last week, after Harriet Miers has been thrown overboard by the president, or at least jumped with a little push from the president, I whould say, I did say that the people who didn't want Harriet Miers, namely those on the right, didn't think she was enough of a zealot, and would probably want somebody who would be as comfortable in a white robe as in a black robe.
HH: Anyone in mind, specifically, who you would...
BRS: I did not have anyone in mind, because I didn't know who they wanted. I knew some of those people on the list without a doubt. And I think they are people...
HH: Who? Who?
BRS: ...who want to talk about turning back the clock.
HH: Who would be more comfortable in a white robe than a black robe, on the list?
BRS: Why don't you tell me, because I mean...
HH: There is none.
BRS: Huh?
HH: There is none on that list.
BRS: There is none on that list?
HH: No.
BRS: There is none on that list who would want to turn back the clock?
HH: No. There is none on that list that would be comfortable in a white robe rather than a black robe. You see, that's an assertion of Klansmen. The only Klansman on the scene today is Robert Byrd.
BRS: Oh, please.
HH: Well, he is. I'm sorry. I mean, he regrets the move, but he was actually a Klansman.
BRS: Oh, yes, I know that, and I understand that that is your usual stand, when you want to go back...
HH: No, it's not a stand. Bob...
BRS: ...talking about a Democrat...
HH: Bob Ray, it's not a stand. It's just a historical fact. Now, this morning, though, on Channel 4, I want to make sure of this before this gets out there.
BRS: Right.
HH: You did not say white robe on Channel 4 this morning?
BRS: Oh, yes I did say white robe. I mean, I repeated the statement I made last week, about what conservatives...
HH: Well, give me the statement again.
BRS: ...are looking for in a nominee.
HH: You think conservatives want...
BRS: And then of course, we didn't have a nominee at that time.
HH: But you did not say that Judge Alito would be better in a white robe than a black robe?
BRS: I didn't even know Judge Alito then. I hadn't even heard of him really, except to know that his name had been mentioned as a possibility.
HH: This morning? Did you know this morning?
BRS: This morning? Yes.
HH: And so, what did you say this morning?
BRS: This morning, I was asked if I had said the statement that I just quoted to you, and I said I had. And I was asked about Judge Alito, and I basically said I don't know him well enough.
HH: So, you think it's possible he might be more comfortable in a white robe than a black robe?
BRS: I am certainly dying to find out what he believes. I really don't know.
HH: But do you think that is possible, that the president of the United States has nominated someone who would be more comfortable in a white robe than a black robe?
BRS: I think that it is possible, and very probable, that the president of the United States has nominated somebody that he thinks will appease those people on the right...
HH: Bob Ray...
BRS: ...on the right are looking for somebody who will turn back the clock.
HH: And Bob Ray Sanders, in our business, broadcasting, questions are asked and answered, and when you dodge them, it doesn't sound good. So I'm going to ask again. Do you think...
BRS: Well, when you start out with the wrong premise...
HH: No, I didn't. I gave you a chance to clarify. But now, I want to know what you think.
BRS: I thought I had clarified it.
HH: Do you think the president of the United States has the...that it is a possibility the president of the United States would nominate someone more comfortable in a white robe than a black robe?
BRS: Oh, without a doubt.
HH: And this president...you think this president is more comfortable in a white robe than a black robe?
BRS: No, I don't.
HH: Okay, who on the list...
BRS: I know the president, yes.
HH: Who on the list of any of the judges that have been named, do you believe would be more comfortable, or as comfortable in a white robe as a black robe?
BRS: I will tell you this. I mean, don't you want somebody comfortable in a white robe?
HH: Absolutely not.
BRS: Oh, you don't. Okay. Do you want somebody that will turn back the clock?
HH: Now wait. Bob Ray, this is not responsive. You made a statement about judges. I want to know which ones...
BRS: You called me, right?
HH: Yeah. I'm trying...I actually think I'm helping you here, but first rule of holes, stop digging. Who is a racist on that list? Who do you think, because that's a racist thing, right? To wear a white robe?
BRS: Oh, I think it certainly implies racism, sure.
HH: That's what you meant.
BRS: Yes. That's exactly what I meant.
HH: So who is a racist on this list of nominees that we have seen? Was Michael Luttig a racist?
BRS: There are certainly people on there who don't believe in the achievement, or at least in the advancing of people of color.
HH: You're not willing to back it up? You're backing down? There are no racists, are there?
BRS: There are no racists?
HH: There are no racists on that list, are there?
BRS: My guess is that most of the people on there have racist tendencies, yes.
HH: So, most of the people. But you will not name a name of someone whose more comfortable in a white robe than a black robe?
BRS: No, I will not.
HH: And why not?
BRS: Why should I?
HH: Well, because you made this outrageous and inflammatory race-bating statement that defames the people on the list, and it's a short list, and it's despicable.
BRS: It's...
HH: It's dispicable!
BRS: It's not dispicable. Not when it's the truth.
HH: Not when you will not put words to your truth, when you will not expand and let a loaded charge hang out there, slandering a score of fine, dedicated public servants. It's despicable, Bob Ray.
BRS: I am not slandering anybody.
HH: Yeah, when you call someone a Klansman, it's a slander. And you've just said there are Klansmen on that list.
BRS: I did not say there were Klansmen on that list. I mean, remember the statement. People who would feel more...as comfortable in a white robe as a black one.
HH: That is an assertion of Klan status, and you haven't named a single name, either among the supporters or the judges. You just went off the deep end, and now you won't walk backwards. You are surrendering, but I mean, it's...I am astonished by this.
BRS: You're astonished?
HH: Yes.
BRS: You haven't answered my question.
HH: I haven't made any statements. I don't believe there is anyone on that list...
BRS: I'll tell you what. My guess is, you do a talk show out there. My guess is you've been making statements all day. You're making one now. I asked you if you believe...
HH: I make statements three hours a day, in your market, on Dallas, they're listening right now, or they'll be listening on tape delay in Dallas, and I'm going to give you one more chance to give me a name of a nominee who was speculated about. Any one name of someone who would be as comfortable in a white robe as a black robe, because it is McCarthyism what you're doing. Racist McCarthyism.
BRS: McCarthyism?
HH: You don't know the name, do you?
BRS: I mean, you, who do what you do, calling me a McCarthyite?
HH: What do I do?
BRS: I mean, what you do every day.
HH: Which is what?
BRS: You go on and inflame the airwaves, don't you?
HH: No, I do not.
BRS: Oh, you don't.
HH: No, I'm a PBS guy.
BRS: Okay.
HH: We've got thirty seconds left, Bob Ray Sanders. Do you have a name...
BRS: Well, do you think there are people who are ready to turn back the clock?
HH: Do you have...no, I just want one name to back up your slander.
BRS: Do you think there are people ready to turn back the clock?
HH: ...because you slandered everyone on that list. You do not want to give me one name.
BRS: Do you think there are people who are ready to turn back the clock?
HH: I think that you have surrendered your credibility, Bob Ray Sanders, but I'll have you back tomorrow if you want to think about it.
End of interview.
Just damn...
I really wish Hewitt had of asked him to define that phrase. What does "turning back the clock" mean to Sanders?
I get the feeling no one has ever challenged him before.
Bob Ray is still living in liberal dreamland, and is not above the kind of thing we read about above.
In general, however, he's harmless.
Sanders is no different than Molly Ivins or any # of lefties in Texas.
They have gone from dominating state offices to not holding one single statewide office in the state in a span of 20 years.
Go down to Austin and drink a cold shiner with your ever shrinking circle of fools Bobby!
Better put some ice on those Bobby, those are going to leave some marks.
He's a convenient foil for Mark Davis who has him on on occasion and pummels him to a pulp.
And yet he insists on saying stupid things.
Mama always says "Stupid is as stupid does..."
we here all know the KKK is reliably Democrat and the Aryan Nations are socialists. If they were conservative their mugs would be all over the liberal media, and we know it.
"He's a convenient foil for Mark Davis who has him on on occasion and pummels him to a pulp.
And yet he insists on saying stupid things."
So, this must be the Dallas version of Brit Hume pummeling Juan Williams to a pulp, with Juan continuing to say stupid things. :-)
This interview was flipping awesome.
Will Bob Ray Sanders return to the Hugh Hewitt show?
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