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Board member to resume testimony in 'intelligent design' trial
Times Leader (Wilkes-Barre, PA) ^ | 02 November 2005 | MARTHA RAFFAELE

Posted on 11/02/2005 3:35:41 AM PST by PatrickHenry

A school board member who was questioned by a federal judge about discrepancies in his testimony on the purchase of "intelligent design" textbooks was expected to return to the witness stand Wednesday.

Dover Area School Board member Alan Bonsell was to undergo redirect questioning by an attorney representing the board in a landmark trial over whether intelligent design can be introduced in high school science classes.

Bonsell testified Monday that he had received an $850 check from fellow board member William Buckingham. The check was made out to Bonsell's father, who volunteered to donate copies of "Of Pandas and People" to the district.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III asked Bonsell why he never shared that information in a January deposition when he was repeatedly asked under oath about who was involved in making the donation. Bonsell, who served as the board's president in 2004, said he misspoke. [Note to school board lawyers: When the judge asks your client why he's lying, it's usually not a good sign.]

Buckingham testified Thursday he collected $850 in donations to help purchase the books during a Sunday service at his church.

The board is defending its October 2004 decision to require students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade biology lessons on evolution. The statement says Charles Darwin's theory is "not a fact," has inexplicable "gaps," and refers students to the textbook for more information.

Eight families are suing to have intelligent design removed from the biology curriculum because they believe the policy essentially promotes the Bible's view of creation, and therefore violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

Intelligent design supporters argue that natural selection, an element of evolutionary theory, cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

The trial began Sept. 26 and is expected to conclude on Friday.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bearingfalsewitness; creationisminadress; crevolist; dover; rwc1tempertantrum
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Pond Scum alert.


101 posted on 11/02/2005 10:01:24 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
You will find pictures very much like this in Biology class (in particular the 4 mythological figures on the left)

Err, the fourth one from the left is homo sapiens sapien, is it not? He's mythological?

102 posted on 11/02/2005 10:06:53 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Dimensio
Like all creationists, you're willing to use any manner of lies...

I posted well-sourced quotations on the meaning of the 1st amendment up until FDR packed the court with socialists and communists. The athiest and communist filth on this board screams liar and half-wit. They don't have even have an argument. All they ever want to argue about is their stupid monkey religion. And....

to support your claims because you don't have a single fact to present against evolution, but your lies are over the top to the point where I can't even accept that you believe them. Nothing you say carries any credibility and nothing you say can be trusted.

This ain't about evolution. It's about local control of the public schools. If the minority athiests and monkey-worshippers don't like what the majority decides to teach then they should remove their children and enter them into private schools. Or move to Communist China.

103 posted on 11/02/2005 10:09:51 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: cornelis
I just object to teaching it as science

It takes a fit of religious fervor to claim that science is must be autonomous. But this much will be repeated even after all the courts have decided, there is no such thing as content neutrality when it concerns human nature.

All knowledge can be divided into two categories:
Theology, or what happens when God intervenes, and
Science, or what happens when God does not intervene.

I won't even say semi-inteligent design isn't true, only that it can never be science.

So9

104 posted on 11/02/2005 10:15:47 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
This ain't about evolution. It's about local control of the public schools. If the minority athiests and monkey-worshippers don't like what the majority decides to teach then they should remove their children and enter them into private schools. Or move to Communist China.

So if the citizens of Dearborn, Michigan elect a schoolboard which decides that all public school students must be taught that there is no god but Allah and that Mohammed is his prophet, that would be fine with you?

105 posted on 11/02/2005 10:15:55 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
You will find pictures very much like this in Biology class (in particular the 4 mythological figures on the left).

Are you sure that's an evolution diagram? It looks to me more like 6 scientifically illiterate homosexuals and their pet chimp trying to decide what to write next on an FR crevo thread...

106 posted on 11/02/2005 10:19:43 AM PST by Quark2005 (Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate.)
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To: balch3
Then why don't you object to teaching the secular religion of Darwinism?

Misnaming something doesn't change its essential nature.

So9

107 posted on 11/02/2005 10:20:46 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: narby

Funny, a post like that would get any non-science-hater banned.


108 posted on 11/02/2005 10:24:40 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Dimensio
Nothing you say carries any credibility and nothing you say can be trusted.

I think what you are trying to say is he's as believeable as a Dover School Board member under oath .....

;-)

109 posted on 11/02/2005 10:37:52 AM PST by longshadow
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
This ain't about evolution. It's about local control of the public schools.

It's all about local control! It's all about local control!

When democratically elected local school boards start teaching Islam, a flavor of Hinduism, or some other religion that's not your particular favorite, you'll have no problem whatsoever? Let the Christian minority be taught the factual accounts of Shiva's dalliances on Earth? Let the democratically elected board have the Christian minority praise Allah Most High every morning?

No problem, right? Because it's all about local control?
110 posted on 11/02/2005 10:38:47 AM PST by aNYCguy
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
...as many have seen Evolution theologist's drawings.

Where is it I should send my tithes to the Church of the Grand Flying Spaghetti Monster?

111 posted on 11/02/2005 10:49:38 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: VadeRetro
Everything is going swimmingly for the defense. They're refuting all allegations and it's all wonderful

Baghdad Bob found a new job I see.

112 posted on 11/02/2005 10:50:06 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: balrog666
Funny, a post like that would get any non-science-hater banned.

True.

What I find amazing is that I can make a point that should he get his way and real religious teaching should be returned to public schools, that he might not like the result. He just ignores the point, as if I never made it.

You'd think someone that actually used their brain for something more than to hold their hairpiece up would say "gee, that might be bad", or "no, I don't think it will happen that way". But no, the point just fizzles out right in there between the ear wax receptacles.

113 posted on 11/02/2005 10:55:53 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: VadeRetro
I marvel at the collection of loonies that shows up on these threads, really.

Me too. Its half the fun on these crevo threads.

I try to imagine these people functioning in society and keep coming up with the same mental image of a guy wearing a sandwich board, screaming his lungs out at tourists in Times Square.

114 posted on 11/02/2005 10:59:47 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: VadeRetro
What a post! - Comment #64 Removed by Moderator

Dang. I missed it.

115 posted on 11/02/2005 11:02:15 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla
Dang. I missed it.

Double dang. I had already included it in The List-O-Links.

116 posted on 11/02/2005 11:05:40 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
I'm sick and tired of athiest monkey-worshipping communist swine polluting this PRO-GOD CONSERVATIVE forum with their snide elitist DUmmie references to the intelligence of Christian posters. Go piss off, as you say..."Half-Wit".

OK enough internet for you today.

Put on your sandwich board and go outside for a little bit.

117 posted on 11/02/2005 11:07:07 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Dimensio

Selected Highlights of The Wisdom of Rightwing Conspiratr1





Posted by Rightwing Conspiratr1 to Crackingham
On News/Activism 10/31/2005 10:03:24 AM EST · 283 of 326

[snip]
And... Open Sodomy.


Posted by Rightwing Conspiratr1 to cajungirl
On News/Activism 10/31/2005 10:21:48 AM EST · 553 of 556

Lindsay Graham is queer?!!


Posted by Rightwing Conspiratr1 to WildHorseCrash
On News/Activism 11/02/2005 10:39:22 AM EST · 23 of 110

[snip]

Only liberals, communists, athiest monkey worshippers and other anti-conservative neo-nazi swine .....


Posted by Rightwing Conspiratr1 to Stultis
On News/Activism 11/02/2005 10:45:10 AM EST · 25 of 110

[snip]

..... monkey worshippers. A small minority of God-less heathens and communists ....


Posted by Rightwing Conspiratr1 to highball
On News/Activism 11/02/2005 10:51:21 AM EST · 29 of 110

[snip]

Communists, athiests and monkey worshippers .....


Posted by Rightwing Conspiratr1 to WildHorseCrash
On News/Activism 11/02/2005 11:20:01 AM EST · 37 of 110

[snip]

.... but we're not going to let you Communists interpret Our Consitution any more. Get thee back to mother Russia.


NEW post 64 by Rightwing Conspiratr1 on 02 Nov 2005. "I'm sick and tired of athiest monkey-worshipping communist swine ..." [now deleted]


Posted by Rightwing Conspiratr1 to MineralMan
On News/Activism 11/02/2005 12:18:20 PM EST · 79 of 110

Here's just a sample of the monkey-worshipping religious symbols used in a Biology class. .....heathen totem pole.

[snip]


Posted by Rightwing Conspiratr1 to Dimensio
On News/Activism 11/02/2005 1:09:51 PM EST · 103 of 110

..... socialists and communists. The athiest and communist filth on this board screams liar and half-wit. ..... stupid monkey religion.

.... minority athiests and monkey-worshippers don't like what the majority decides ...... Or move to Communist China.



In the face of such brilliant intellect, what is there to be said?



118 posted on 11/02/2005 11:09:54 AM PST by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry
Double dang. I had already included it in The List-O-Links.

Post #79 ain't too shabby:

As you can see to the left is A, Curious George, the Adam of Evolution Theology sitting atop this heathen totem pole.

119 posted on 11/02/2005 11:10:38 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: VadeRetro
Alas! Man proposes, the admin-moderator disposes.

Yes, and I see they fixed that very useful 'bug'.

120 posted on 11/02/2005 11:11:40 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (A creationist conjugates: I misspeak, you fabricate, he lies....)
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