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Paris Riots spread throughout north-east (7th Night of Violence and Burning)
Radio New Zealand ^ | Nov 03, 2005 | staff

Posted on 11/03/2005 12:23:12 AM PST by Southack

Paris riots spread throughout north-east Posted at 8:20pm on 3 Nov 2005

Violence broke out in impoverished Paris suburbs for the seventh straight night, with rioters clashing with police and leaving a trail of torched cars and vandalised buildings.

Observers are pointing to France's failure to address deep problems of poverty and immigration, including tensions with its Muslim minority.

In Aulnay-sous-Bois in the worst-affected area of Seine-Saint-Denis, a police station was briefly besieged by gangs of youths while a gymnasium and a garage were set ablaze and a commercial centre vandalised.

A total of 40 vehicles, including two buses, were torched before midnight in nine towns in the Seine-Saint-Denis area, a high-unemployment largely-immigrant region. Police made 15 arrests.

Two primary schools were also damaged in the area northeast of the French capital.

The riots started last Thursday following the accidental electrocution of two youths, aged 15 and 17, who had scaled an electrical relay station's walls to escape a police identity check in Clichy-sous-Bois.

The firing of a police tear gas grenade against a mosque in Clichy-sous-Bois during clashes on Sunday also sparked rage in the suburb's large Muslim community.


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KEYWORDS: cristalsemaine; denmark; eurabia; france; muslim; paris; parisriots; religionofpeace; religionofpeas; riots; rop
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To: jslade
I begrudgingly agree that I think Europe is going to take in the shorts with this... if it does come to civil war in France... that I feel will quickly digress into a Continental war...or guerrilla warfare.. which I do not think the french are really prepared to handle... the Brits on the other hand would have a tough go of it, but they are use to fighting a guerrilla war... heck they did for 30 years with the IRA...
51 posted on 11/03/2005 1:46:52 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: monocle

Difference though in that many Mexicans that came here legally even some illegally feel more allegiance to America then the do Mexico... they make up one of the largest groups of foreign nationals fighting in our armed forces right now... I don't think the Muslims that are doing this over in Europe are of that same ilk.


52 posted on 11/03/2005 1:49:48 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: Southack

This is a stupid question, but does anyone know if, overall, this is as bad as it sounds? Is this the sort of thing the police over there are capable of putting down w/ anything short of extreme force?


53 posted on 11/03/2005 1:50:35 AM PST by ECM
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To: F15Eagle

Makes you wonder what it will take before European states start mass deportations.


54 posted on 11/03/2005 1:50:54 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Bob J

LOL.... I never thought of that angle...:)


55 posted on 11/03/2005 1:51:56 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: ECM
7 night of rioting in nine cities in France... rioting for 4 days in Denmark is pretty bad... the police are not reacting with overt force in hopes of not creating a massive conflict... the police chief in Paris stated the tension is bordering on civil war.. that was stated a couple of posts back in this thread... it is pretty bad.
56 posted on 11/03/2005 1:54:10 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: Uncle Vlad

Mass Deportations?

We can only hope....but those socialists are pretty slow sometimes...


57 posted on 11/03/2005 1:54:37 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Halgr; Uncle Vlad
mass deportations but ***Gasp**** that would mean profiling! /sarcasm off
58 posted on 11/03/2005 1:57:09 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: Southack

I lived in Paris for 14 years.

Even in the mid-eighties, French people were telling me that the suburbs ( don't think of them in the same vein as Suburban America) around Paris were a ring of time bombs waiting to explode.

I can't say I am at all surprised. When law and order goes, and lawlessness goes unchecked, anarchy results.

Chirac fiddles, and debates, while Paris burns.


59 posted on 11/03/2005 2:04:49 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY and her HINO want to take over your country. STOP THEM NOW!)
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To: advance_copy
This is an intifada in Paris.

Surely not. It can't be the peace loving Mooslims. My TV tells me it's just another lot of poor underprivileged downtrodden repressed people. Surely my TV is not lying to me. How dare you sir!

Mel

60 posted on 11/03/2005 2:07:02 AM PST by melsec (No other Name!)
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To: Southack; All

See, appeasment works. The dhimmis of Europe are doing just fine.


61 posted on 11/03/2005 2:09:05 AM PST by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned.)
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To: ECM

"Is this the sort of thing the police over there are capable of putting down w/ anything short of extreme force?"

The French special police , the CRS. are totally capable of handling these riots. They are equipped with full riot gear, body armor and machine guns.

The government is afraid of these Islamists. Afraid they will attack,commit terror, etc. They are afraid to punish lawlessness for fear there will be retaliation. There are debates on in France now with the Left condemning the government for calling the rioter sand looters "criminals" and "delinquints".

Maybe they should all sit down for tea and talk it through Shame on them.

They have never learned that appeasement never works.


62 posted on 11/03/2005 2:10:03 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY and her HINO want to take over your country. STOP THEM NOW!)
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To: Americanwolf

Not many do. Unless we keep up our appeasement activities why we might start seeing dandelions in our yards and diaper rash on our kids.

Danged gardeners and nannies...they hold all the aces.


63 posted on 11/03/2005 2:14:02 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J

LOL...... Oh no the diper rash revolution!


64 posted on 11/03/2005 2:16:13 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: F15Eagle; CarrotAndStick; Arjun; Gengis Khan
The British were tolerant. They attacked. The French were tolerant. They attacked. The Americans were tolerant. They attacked.

Oh, why don'tcha ask some of the Indians on the forum -- Carrot, Arjun, comments?

65 posted on 11/03/2005 2:16:32 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Southack
I like my French toasty with a hint of rioter ash.
66 posted on 11/03/2005 2:24:20 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Cincinna
Well I guess it can be said about this. When Hitler ordered his General's to burn Paris....... Nazi general's loved Paris more than Chirac does.

Chirac and the Islamofascist prattle while Paris burns.

67 posted on 11/03/2005 2:33:51 AM PST by marty60
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To: melsec

in impoverished Paris suburbs.This is crap,they are living better in these areas then any city in North Africa. Many of these people are arabs from the big cities of North Africa.They brag when they go home with their french "ladies" how much better off they are.If they are so impoverished I would expect them to take this downtown and thats when the fun will really start,big time.


68 posted on 11/03/2005 2:36:05 AM PST by magua
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To: Southack

Once again the Moslems cost Europe more unrest and violence.
When will they learn to quit the liberal B.S. and treat them as the enemy's of the State they are.

Maybe they should hire GW to learn how.
Ops4 God Bless America!


69 posted on 11/03/2005 2:36:08 AM PST by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: Americanwolf

Many muslims enter Europe legally since many European countries have far more lenient immigration laws. Many muslims in Europe are hard working and loyal to their new country. Lastly, most European countries barely have forces that could realistically be called armies.


70 posted on 11/03/2005 2:37:28 AM PST by monocle
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To: monocle

I hope it is correct that most muslims are loyal to their adopted countries if not its gonna be ugly


71 posted on 11/03/2005 2:40:31 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: Cronos

I will fish out one from an earlier post:

Muslims are the most insanely paranoid, stupid, ignorant, wicked and cruel bunch of brainwashed humanoids to ever walk on and defile the face of this good earth.


72 posted on 11/03/2005 2:41:27 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Americanwolf

Note I said "many" not "most".


73 posted on 11/03/2005 2:44:05 AM PST by monocle
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To: monocle

sorry almost 4am here comprehension skills are not the best... :)


74 posted on 11/03/2005 2:49:53 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: OPS4

This violence is a good thing.They are sticking it to the people who stuck it to us.Paris the center of anti-americanism.Europe can be in denial for just so long. Hoorah


75 posted on 11/03/2005 2:51:28 AM PST by magua
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To: Southack

How long before they decide to bomb establishment targets? Perhaps a few roadside bombs? CNN ran a puff piece on this last night interviewing various French Muslim bigshots, who said they were French first and Muslims second. (There's a whopper.) All they demanded was a fair slice of the pie, recognition, respect, decent living conditions, good jobs, yada yada yada. Evidently CNN is buying this nonsense.


76 posted on 11/03/2005 2:59:18 AM PST by hershey
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To: Southack

I bet many of these Muslims are delusional enough to believe they are on the verge of creating an Islamic state in France.


77 posted on 11/03/2005 3:02:51 AM PST by Thane_Banquo ("Give a man a fish, make him a Democrat. Teach a man to fish, make him a Republican.")
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To: Southack
Tensions Smoulder After Riots Near Paris

"They have no work. They have nothing to do. Put yourself in their place," said Abderrahmane Bouhout, president of the Clichy-sous-Bois mosque, where a tear gas grenade exploded Sunday evening. Local youths suspected a police attack, and authorities are investigating.

The violence cast doubt on the success of France's model of seeking to integrate its large immigrant community — its Muslim population, at an estimated 5 million, is Western Europe's largest — by playing down differences between ethnic groups. But rather than be embraced as full and equal citizens, immigrants and their French-born children often complain of police harassment and of being refused jobs, housing and opportunities.

78 posted on 11/03/2005 3:03:11 AM PST by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: CurlyDave
Send them back to whatever hell-hole they came from and let them riot over there.

The French have a lot of experience dealing with Muslim radicals, as in Algeria, and will deal with these the same way - by leaving.
79 posted on 11/03/2005 3:07:08 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: ECM
This is a stupid question, but does anyone know if, overall, this is as bad as it sounds?

"No matter what the politicians say, some neighborhoods are all but lost," said Patrice Ribeiro national secretary of the Synergie police officers' union.

80 posted on 11/03/2005 3:08:26 AM PST by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: EBH

An auto showroom burns in a Paris Suburb...

CNN's poll today has 47% of Frenchmen calling for the deployment of troops into Paris suburbs. 41% want a curfew imposed on Paris. The remainder are asking the police to withdraw away from all Paris suburbs.

81 posted on 11/03/2005 3:08:57 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
The remainder are asking the police to withdraw away from all Paris suburbs.

Perhaps the French need to withdraw from . . . France?
82 posted on 11/03/2005 3:12:50 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: advance_copy
This is an intifada in Paris.

Divide Paris and create an Islamic state in France. Give the mooselimbs a lot of money and the responsibility for their own security. Convene the General Assembly and censure France.

83 posted on 11/03/2005 3:14:23 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Southack

The French have known for a while now that the subs. are a fertile recruiting ground,

We should realize this is happening right here in America, in our own poor neighborhoods, in prisons and jails...the recruiting is happening.


84 posted on 11/03/2005 3:16:11 AM PST by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: Southack; Jimmy Valentine

I guess the answer to Adolph's question is, after 60 some years, Yes.


85 posted on 11/03/2005 3:16:42 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother ( We need a few more Marines like Lt. Gen. James Mattis)
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To: EBH; backhoe

The French blogs are now calling for all French Muslims to riot on Friday (tomorrow) in 700 cities all over France.

86 posted on 11/03/2005 3:18:30 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Oh yeah, Burn baby burn, DISCO Inferno!!

Last night, I asked my wife if she had heard anything about the Muzzie Riots in the French sub'urbs, of course she had NOT.

When there IS news fit to print, you can be sure the LSM will not report it.

G


87 posted on 11/03/2005 3:25:17 AM PST by GRRRRR (America is a better place because of people like us...)
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To: Southack

Paris now...America shortly:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1514550/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513562/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1514703/posts
The whackjobs are becoming more "out there" and hardened in their unsupportable beliefs. You can't even discuss issues with them anymore...they don't want to hear it.


88 posted on 11/03/2005 3:25:33 AM PST by Drago
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To: Southack

Actually, I have a bad feeling about this for Friday. Just as you are reading those blogs, so are others. This is going to be a long weekend.


89 posted on 11/03/2005 3:29:26 AM PST by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: Southack

I hope that Maine is watching closely and considering its gigantic Somali population.


90 posted on 11/03/2005 3:29:35 AM PST by Axhandle
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To: Southack
CNN's poll today has 47% of Frenchmen calling for the deployment of troops into Paris suburbs. 41% want a curfew imposed on Paris. The remainder are asking the police to withdraw away from all Paris suburbs.

I think they should go to the UN. Have a resolution passed against the rioters. Call for cooperation "or else". That should stop all of this chaos.

91 posted on 11/03/2005 3:34:43 AM PST by Hadean
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To: Southack

Maybe John Kerry will go over and negotiate the peace.... haha


92 posted on 11/03/2005 3:38:46 AM PST by tomnbeverly (Its time to spend some political capital... Ouch that has to hurt liberals.)
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To: Americanwolf

I don't think it's very bad at all. Heck, Europe has seen riots worse than this at soccer games.


93 posted on 11/03/2005 3:41:11 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Reid and his clowns can pout their cherry lips and put on a big show . . . ain't nobody watchin')
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To: Southack

Will the Breton’s be next? They were badly oppressed at one time by the French. If a minority wishes for change, all they have to do is burn a few cars and buildings, toss some rocks…


94 posted on 11/03/2005 3:43:19 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Uncle Vlad

Mass deportations? Would that give them political refugee status and legal entry to the USA?


95 posted on 11/03/2005 3:47:50 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Southack
The French blogs are now calling for all French Muslims to riot on Friday (tomorrow) in 700 cities all over France.

Nothing like throwing gasoline on a fire... here's a fresh "click the pic" graphic and link:

Is Paris Burning? ( Religion of Peace Alert )
Click the picture:



96 posted on 11/03/2005 3:49:33 AM PST by backhoe
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To: Stentor
Divide Paris and create an Islamic state in France

Noveau Beirut. IIRC, Lebanon was also under french control at one time.

97 posted on 11/03/2005 3:52:53 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Americanwolf

there is one real wonderful silver lining to all this happening in france right now. just imagine if france needs fellow eu help. who would send police, troops etc etc? GERMANY. id actually think of going to paris if i could see german forces of any sort doing an official work on the streets of paris, that would be so dam cool.


98 posted on 11/03/2005 3:53:55 AM PST by son of caesar (son of caesar)
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To: Southack

WOW! I thought France was the Utopian Mecca according to the Liberals? Could they have been wrong? OOPS


99 posted on 11/03/2005 3:55:30 AM PST by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

The French Foreign Legion is now headquartered up in Alsace. They could be in Paris in an afternoon.


100 posted on 11/03/2005 3:55:42 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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