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The last interview of the late Shah of Iran with ABC (Must See)
http://nomullas.com/ ^

Posted on 11/03/2005 7:07:21 AM PST by F14 Pilot

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An interview with David Frost in 1979, 75 days after the Hostage Crisis

How the liberals and Commies helped overthrow one of the greatest allies of the US in the mideast


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abc; carter; interview; iran; mdm; msm; shahofiran; theshah; usa
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1 posted on 11/03/2005 7:07:22 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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To: DoctorZIn; McGavin999; freedom44; nuconvert; sionnsar; AdmSmith; parisa; onyx; Pro-Bush; Valin; ...

ping!


2 posted on 11/03/2005 7:07:46 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

How did this Shah get to achieve his lofty position?


3 posted on 11/03/2005 7:09:24 AM PST by zarf
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To: F14 Pilot

I heard Pres. Carter yesterday noting how if he had a second term he "would have brought peace to the middle east."

This idiot caused all the problems we have today in that region.


4 posted on 11/03/2005 7:09:25 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: zarf

US and British sponsored coup, I think.


5 posted on 11/03/2005 7:10:28 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: edcoil
This idiot caused all the problems we have today in that region.

I do believe your comment is a tad simplistic.

6 posted on 11/03/2005 7:11:02 AM PST by zarf
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To: Rodney King

Not true!


7 posted on 11/03/2005 7:11:02 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot
Have to look at this later. It requires RealAudio, and I won't install that on this work system.

But every time I am reminded of the Shah, I get this urge to break my thumbs around Jimmah's throat.

8 posted on 11/03/2005 7:11:03 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: F14 Pilot

Too bad it is in Real Player format. I refuse to let that crap program take over my computer.


9 posted on 11/03/2005 7:11:07 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
US and British sponsored coup, I think.

Well, there ya go.

10 posted on 11/03/2005 7:11:41 AM PST by zarf
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To: Rodney King

You have to see this!

UN wanted to try him to make the Mullahs happy!!????!!!!!!!!


11 posted on 11/03/2005 7:12:13 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot
All the problems we are having with islamic terrorism we can lay at he feet of Jimmy Carter. If he had supported the Shah and if Iran was still "the most modern, western and advanced country of the Middle East" - like it was when the Shah was in power - we would not be in this war...
12 posted on 11/03/2005 7:12:48 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: 2banana

so true!


13 posted on 11/03/2005 7:13:24 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Will have to pass. I don't watch network shows ever. No way, no how.


14 posted on 11/03/2005 7:15:11 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for our country than any of us will ever know. God bless him.)
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To: F14 Pilot

bump for later look


15 posted on 11/03/2005 7:15:25 AM PST by fso301
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To: zarf

From Wikipedia:
In 1953 the Iran's constitutionally and democratically elected nationalist prime minister, Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh had nationalized the oil industry, much to the anger of the United States and Great Britain. This resulted in an embargo on Iranian oil exports, which only worsened the already fragile economy. To gain control over the Iranien oil industry the CIA funded and lead a coup to overthrow prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh (see Operation Ajax). The coup initially failed and Mohammad Reza had to flee Iran. After a brief exile in Italy the Shah was brought back again through, this time a succesful, second coup. Mossadegh was arrested, tried and put in house arrest. General Fazlollah Zahedi had been handpicked to succeed prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh.


16 posted on 11/03/2005 7:16:02 AM PST by NC28203
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To: Rodney King

Yes, we assisted in removing a Commie sympathizing Mossadegh and got a good ally in the Shah. Sounds good to me. Wish we could do something similar today.


17 posted on 11/03/2005 7:17:31 AM PST by speedy
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To: NC28203

Careful, wikpedia is very leftist.


18 posted on 11/03/2005 7:19:03 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: zarf

The CIA put him in place. This is when the CIA was an agency in support of the United States as opposed to the CIA of today which is so full of Clintonistas that it is an enemy of the United States.


19 posted on 11/03/2005 7:19:24 AM PST by Pylot
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To: 2banana
The CIA's analysis, based on SAVAK, was that the shiite Mullahs were no threat to the Peacock Throne. So Jimmuh leaned on the Shah, as he did to other 3rd world allies, to toe the line on "Human Rights".

The peanut farmer from Plains said that the biggest shock he got in his life was when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan.

But he really stuck it to them by pulling out of the Moscow Olympics.

20 posted on 11/03/2005 7:19:30 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: F14 Pilot

"How the liberals and Commies helped overthrow one of the greatest allies of the US in the mideast"


An ally who stayed in power with torture and didn't have a democratic bone in his body. And when he was overthrown the people didn't just hate him - they hated us too.

You would think we would have learned more from that situation.


21 posted on 11/03/2005 7:19:51 AM PST by gondramB
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To: 2banana

Yes.

I also read that the Shah was unpoular with the most radical of the lunatic Muslims in Iran as he was toying with resurrecting Zoroastrianism as a state religion - Zoroastrianism was the first Monotheistic religion and had its origins in Persia.

I also read in one of the postings in this forum something about Jimmy Carter having a personal vendetta with the Shah over some personal economic details, but can't recall the details.

Under the Shah, its true they had a brutal secret police, but SAVAK was hardly more brutal than what they have there now, and probably a lot less effective and intrusive in the personal lives of individual Iranians. There was also a thriving, educated, middle class adn a lot of pro-western thinkers there.

Jimmy Carter and the French - who provided Khomeni with asylum - helped unleash a nuclear mightmare on the world.


22 posted on 11/03/2005 7:20:20 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Semper Paratus
Last night he said that a boycotte on the 1980 Moscow games was a much stronger detterence than invading Iraq to prevent a threat
23 posted on 11/03/2005 7:21:27 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: zarf
This idiot caused all the problems we have today in that region. I do believe your comment is a tad simplistic

No I tend to agree. He is an idiot. But seriously, while Jimmy didn't cause all the troubles, he sure as hell didn't do a damn thing to make things better. I saw an interview where he said his most proud moment was not succumbing to pressure to use military force - no mention of burned helicopters in the Iranian desert. My impression is that he was inept, lost his nerve and then was paralyzed with fear.

24 posted on 11/03/2005 7:21:33 AM PST by rhombus
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To: gondramB

That is what the Liberals say! and I believe you are here to repeat them!


25 posted on 11/03/2005 7:22:06 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: ZULU

http://rescueattempt.tripod.com

You saw that story at this link, I guess


26 posted on 11/03/2005 7:23:38 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot
The number one reason I despise Carter. I saw it happening back then and I never changed my mind. Carter started this and now he sticks his nose in criticizing.
27 posted on 11/03/2005 7:23:40 AM PST by tiki
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To: gondramB
An ally who stayed in power with torture and didn't have a democratic bone in his body. And when he was overthrown the people didn't just hate him - they hated us too. You would think we would have learned more from that situation.

We did. And THAT is precisely why we went into Afghanistan and Iraq and may have to make other "visits".

28 posted on 11/03/2005 7:24:13 AM PST by rhombus
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To: F14 Pilot
Last night he said that a boycotte on the 1980 Moscow games was a much stronger detterence than invading Iraq to prevent a threat

!!! I have underestimated what a complete Clymer he really is.

29 posted on 11/03/2005 7:25:28 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Rodney King

Do a search for "real alternative" or go to this site:

http://www.codecguide.com/about_real.htm

It's a free codec that plays real audio files without installing the real audio player.

There is also a quicktime alternative available so you don't have to install that either.


30 posted on 11/03/2005 7:25:37 AM PST by wsack
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To: Semper Paratus

LMAO

Carter was blaming Reagan for Iran-Contra too, last night but there was no one, almost no body, to remind the old idiot that Iran became a mess due to his stupidity!


31 posted on 11/03/2005 7:26:03 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Until the end of the Shah's rule, God continued to bless Persia/Iran because one of the Shah's predecessors, Cyrus, rebuilt The Temple in Jerusalem. (I will bless them that bless thee)


32 posted on 11/03/2005 7:28:05 AM PST by RoadTest (The Fear Of The Lord is the beginning of Wisdom)
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To: Nightshift

ping a ling...


33 posted on 11/03/2005 7:30:56 AM PST by tutstar (OurFlorida.true.ws)
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To: wsack

thanks.


34 posted on 11/03/2005 7:31:18 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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The Shah was just as bad as the rest of them. Unfortunately, Carter let someone even worse take over.


35 posted on 11/03/2005 7:33:37 AM PST by oolatec
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To: rhombus

"We did. And THAT is precisely why we went into Afghanistan and Iraq and may have to make other "visits"."

Actually I was thinking about our relationships with Saudi Arabia and China.


36 posted on 11/03/2005 7:34:32 AM PST by gondramB
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To: F14 Pilot; Rodney King; zarf
Not true!

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Absolutely true. We put the exalted Reza on the throne in 1953, almost against his own wishes, and in the process threw out the only legally elected leader Iran ever had. Under the FOI act CIA docs that were formerly classified are not available to anyone who can google. The docs describe blow by blow what Ike did, how we had to use Reza's own sister to shame him into action and how he fled to Italy when the first stage of the coup didn't go too well.

37 posted on 11/03/2005 7:37:01 AM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: wtc911

Are you a DemocRAT?!


38 posted on 11/03/2005 7:37:34 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: gondramB
Actually I was thinking about our relationships with Saudi Arabia and China.

In time and if necessary. Don'tcha think we should give diplomacy a chance? ;-)

39 posted on 11/03/2005 7:37:53 AM PST by rhombus
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To: ZULU
The Unknown Life of the Shah

This book is recommended for those who might wanna know more about the revolution of 1979

40 posted on 11/03/2005 7:38:25 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Forever linked in my mind with Jimmy Carter. Bleccch!


41 posted on 11/03/2005 7:38:56 AM PST by GVnana
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To: Rodney King

Google "Real Alternative", it's good stuff.

I won't use the Real Player spyware, either.


42 posted on 11/03/2005 7:38:58 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: F14 Pilot

"That is what the Liberals say! and I believe you are here to repeat them!"

If you are going to label as liberal everyone who has concerns about allies who oppose our ideals then you're gonna have to go after many, many conservatives.

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan come to mind... Now I'm not saying that we turn against either of them but we should at least recognize that we are not really on the same side, we just have a common enemy. It's not the same thing.


43 posted on 11/03/2005 7:39:34 AM PST by gondramB
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To: speedy

We assisted! Huge understatement...we did all the heavy lifting and then stuck girly-man reza in his seat.


44 posted on 11/03/2005 7:39:57 AM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: rhombus

"In time and if necessary. Don'tcha think we should give diplomacy a chance? ;-)"

Yes. But the situation is more critical than it was the Shah's day.


46 posted on 11/03/2005 7:41:31 AM PST by gondramB
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To: F14 Pilot

Thanks for that link and book. I shall explore them.


47 posted on 11/03/2005 7:42:00 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: wtc911

I wonder how you, as a pacifist, are on FR


48 posted on 11/03/2005 7:43:02 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: wtc911

Well, I would certainly prefer Reza to the nutcases who have followed him. Wouldn't you? Or, for that matter, the anti-American Leftist who preceeded him who we ushered into obscurity.


49 posted on 11/03/2005 7:43:15 AM PST by speedy
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To: speedy

That wtc911 loves Mullahs and Carter!

Don't waste your time with him/her plz


50 posted on 11/03/2005 7:43:54 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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