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Questions Raised about Tim Russert's Story
newsmax.com ^ | Thursday, Nov. 3, 2005 10:17 a.m. EST

Posted on 11/03/2005 7:57:10 AM PST by InvisibleChurch

Thursday, Nov. 3, 2005 10:17 a.m. EST Questions Raised about Tim Russert's Story

NBC Washington bureau chief Tim Russert told Leakgate probers that he had no idea Joe Wilson's wife Valerie Plame was a CIA employee before her name surfaced in Robert Novak's fateful July 14, 2003 column, and that he was stunned upon learning that Lewis "Scooter" Libby claimed he got that information from him.

But an account by senior NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell raises questions about whether Mr. Russert may have known about Plame's employment well before the Novak column.

On Oct. 3, 2003, Mitchell was a guest on CNBC's now-defunct "Capital Report," where she was asked by host Alan Murray:

"Do we have any idea how widely known it was in Washington that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA?"

Mitchell replied: "It was widely known among those of us who cover the intelligence community and who were actively engaged in trying to track down who among the foreign service community was the envoy to Niger. So a number of us began to pick up on that."

Mitchell's "widely known" characterization flatly contradicts assertions last Friday by Leakgate Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, who repeatedly insisted that Plame's association with the CIA "was not widely known."

But perhaps more importantly, if Plame's work was an open secret in media circles [according to Mitchell], how is it that her boss, Mr. Russert, who - as NBC Washington bureau chief was presumably monitoring developments in "the intelligence community" as they related to the Wilson story - would have been oblivious to this same "widely known" information?

In fact, according to the text of Fitzgerald's indictment, Libby's version of events more closely matches Mitchell's on the subject of who knew about Plame's employment.

Fitzgerald said Libby claimed:

"During a conversation with Tim Russert of NBC News on July 10 or 11, 2003, Russert asked LIBBY if LIBBY was aware that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA. LIBBY responded to Russert that he did not know that, and Russert replied that all

the reporters knew it." [Page 11 of Libby's Indictment]

None of this means that Mr. Libby actually told the truth and that Fitzgerald's star witness against him, Tim Russert, perhaps didn't.

But Mr. Russert might want to clear the air and explain how he managed to stay in the dark about key information in a case that was the talk of the town in early July 2003 - while the same information was "widely known," according a senior reporter who worked under him.


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1 posted on 11/03/2005 7:57:10 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch

And, Fitzgerald's report doesn't point out that the ONLY proper response from Libby to Russert's question was to deny he knew that, because if he confirmed it, then he WOULD be guilty of divulging classified information!

So if I know it, but you don't KNOW that I know it........


2 posted on 11/03/2005 8:00:41 AM PST by Bush_Democrat (Ex-Democrat since 2001)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Note: Andrea Mitchell is Alan Greenspan's wife.


3 posted on 11/03/2005 8:05:33 AM PST by OK
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To: Bush_Democrat

Russert has to be a big-time witness in the Libby trial.

Look for the LSM to start downplaying the Libby situation, paving the way for it to quietly go away before they all get snared up in it.


4 posted on 11/03/2005 8:05:44 AM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: Bush_Democrat

All the MSM rant is about WH people being called to the trial, I wonder what reaction they will have when half the Washington pressitutes are called as witnesses, and 99.9% of them plead the 5th.


5 posted on 11/03/2005 8:08:20 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Not really surprising. The media doesn't CARE about the truth. They just want to be able to say "__________ was indicted on charges in connection with the outing of a CIA officer" in an attempt to create the false illusion in thier listener's mind that whoever was indicted divulged Pame's identity even if the charges have nothing to do with it.
6 posted on 11/03/2005 8:09:22 AM PST by krazyrep (Demolib Playbook Rule #2: If you can't beat 'em, filibuster. If that doesn't work, go to court.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Joe Wilson on Larry King,
"Now, I'm prepared to think the worst of Karl Rove ever since he told Chris Matthews that my wife was fair game. And that's tough for me because Karl and I go to the same church. We go to different services, we go to the same church. I know his wife's name because we get a church newsletter. So, why he wouldn't know my wife's name, perhaps he doesn't read the newsletter."


I believe there are also reporters and other inside the beltway politicians that go to this church.


7 posted on 11/03/2005 8:09:52 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

If it's Libby's word vs. Russert's, then why did they not indict Russert?


8 posted on 11/03/2005 8:10:11 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

"Presstitutes" -- "LSM" -- great new words.


10 posted on 11/03/2005 8:10:54 AM PST by bboop (Facts are your friend.)
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To: samadams2000

R-U-S-S-E-R-T
P-I-N-G!


11 posted on 11/03/2005 8:11:34 AM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: wouldntbprudent

Russert, Miller, Cooper, PLame, Wilson, are all going to by called to testify in Libby's trail. And...they won't be asked the softball questions they got from Fitzgerald. IMHO there will be no trail. Fitzgerald will accept a plea bargain and make this whole thing go away. Fitzgerald, the MSM and the Democrat Party will want to make this go away. Give it a couple of months and watch is evaporate into thin air!!!


12 posted on 11/03/2005 8:11:58 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: InvisibleChurch

The Grand Jury indictment prepared by Mr Fitzmas specifies that Valerie Plame's employment by the CIA was classified "Secret" until July 14, 2003 (date of Novak's column).

So anyone who knew it or talked about it before then.......

Except for the thousands of people in Washington DC and in State Department and its embassies all over the world... who may be considered part of the "intelligence community" of course....(which does NOT include no-clearance Joe Wilson, who has screwed his own pooch by bragging that he shared his poor wronged wife's identity with the Kerry campaign before Novak's story broke....ha ha ha)...

broke the law.

What a joke.


13 posted on 11/03/2005 8:12:45 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Bush_Democrat
And, Fitzgerald's report doesn't point out that the ONLY proper response from Libby to Russert's question was to deny he knew that, because if he confirmed it, then he WOULD be guilty of divulging classified information!

Fitzgerald's report may want to plant that seed, but the indictment doesn't depend on that at all.

Libby could have told investigators that he knew Plame worked at the CIA, and that he told Russert, Cooper and Miller that Plame worked at the CIA. In fact, the indictment asserts that - but guess what, no crime! Libby didn't disclose classified information, or out a covert agent.

He didn't want to admit telling reporters (but he should have admitted that), because doing so would be spun like a political dirty trick. Well, that water is over the dam - it is being spun. But the dicussions with reporters were perfectly legal.

14 posted on 11/03/2005 8:12:50 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Baynative

It's looking more and more like a ...Vast Left Wing Conspiracy!


15 posted on 11/03/2005 8:12:55 AM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

As potentially important as this info is,it would be useless to present it to a DC jury.If this matter goes to trial and the trial is held in DC,Libby doesn't have a prayer.


17 posted on 11/03/2005 8:15:14 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Bush_Democrat

Mitchell's "widely known" characterization flatly contradicts assertions last Friday by Leakgate Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, who repeatedly insisted that Plame's association with the CIA "was not widely known."<<

Fitzgerald has indicted his ham sandwich, now a defense can be presented. No one was indicted for outing Valley Girl Val. Maybe because no one could, she was already out.

DK


18 posted on 11/03/2005 8:15:17 AM PST by Dark Knight
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Agree. with. every. single. thing. you. said.

This will evaporate faster than the Clintoon "War on Terror."


19 posted on 11/03/2005 8:15:48 AM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: InvisibleChurch
Russert knew enough to be able to ask the question.

Does Libby have to say "that's classified"? to Tim? Of course not. That's just like saying: "Valerie is an agent for the CIA just as you've indicated. I know it and you know it. My question is (by Libby) How did you know it Tim?

20 posted on 11/03/2005 8:16:44 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

This whole Plamegate is a total waste of taxpayers' money and time.
Any "beat cop" in America could have determined in a day that Plame WAS NOT A COVER AGENT.
next case...

Instead, Fitzgerald fattens his personal bank account at taxpayers' expense for two years chasing his tail and all he has to show for it is a lame indictment for lying about a so called "crime" that wasn't a crime in the first place!

and they say this clown Fitzgerald is some kind of legal genius...yea right...he's like the rest of the clowns in DC...getting fat at taxpayers' expense!!!


21 posted on 11/03/2005 8:17:01 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Dave S

Libby has issues, I won't deny that (mostly regarding his notes).

But the idea that these media witnesses told the truth when they all claimed not to know who Wilson's wife was, is laughable. they all knew.


22 posted on 11/03/2005 8:18:13 AM PST by oceanview
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To: InvisibleChurch

BTW, it's actually too bad (for the country, not for Libby) that this thing probably will never go to trial.

Russert, Plame, Wilson, Mitchell, Miller, Cooper and slews of others need to be subjected to stringent cross-examination so that the truth can come out.


23 posted on 11/03/2005 8:19:03 AM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: All

correction:
"Plame was NOT A CIA COVERT AGENT"


24 posted on 11/03/2005 8:19:30 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Find a way to find the law firm Libbey is using and send your analysis to them.


25 posted on 11/03/2005 8:21:04 AM PST by Wuli
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To: InvisibleChurch

Nice to see the MSM might be getting some of their own thrown back at them! Rathergate, Mapegate, and NOW Russertgate!


26 posted on 11/03/2005 8:23:07 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: InvisibleChurch
If he talked to Mr Wilson before Scooter, he knew about 007. Looking forward to his final signoff for MTP!!

Pray for W and Our Troops

27 posted on 11/03/2005 8:26:53 AM PST by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Libby and the administration are not going to plea bargain this away, if Libby is telling the truth. Fitzgerald better be prepared to prove his allegations.

Victoria Toensing has called for an investigation into the CIA role in the Wilson affair, saying that the CIA was either conducting a brilliant covert attack on the Whitehouse or more inept intelligence tradecraft.


28 posted on 11/03/2005 8:30:32 AM PST by Eva
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To: tobyhill

J'oh's wife's name was in their church newsletter?


29 posted on 11/03/2005 8:33:01 AM PST by maggief
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To: Baynative
I've heard about this entry before, but I don't see that the inclusion of her NAME is in any way related to releasing her clandestine occupation.
30 posted on 11/03/2005 8:34:39 AM PST by garyb
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To: InvisibleChurch

If this goes to trial, part of Libby's defense should be to undermine the MOTIVE for lying by undermining the spin that the WH was trying to punish Wilson for telling the truth. This would involve calling Wilson and members of the Kerry campaign to the witness stand, and introducing as evidence the Senate Intelligence Committee's findings that Wilson had misrepresented virtually everything about his trip and the WH response to it. A trial - if anything - might finally get the real facts out to a wider public, and expose Wilson as the real liar and the real hit-man.


31 posted on 11/03/2005 8:37:43 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Eva

Eva, I hope and pray you are right, and I am wrong.


32 posted on 11/03/2005 8:39:08 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: ForGod'sSake; bert; FBD
"But an account by senior NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell raises questions about whether Mr. Russert may have known about Plame's employment well before the Novak column."

HA!!
Is Andrea finding it *sport* or trendy questioning the validity of the Russert sot?

Questions, so many questions. :o)

Man-oh-man would I relish [seeing] the bloated Russert's head on a pike.

...*&* going the way of Danny "Boy" Rather. :o)

33 posted on 11/03/2005 8:39:43 AM PST by Landru (A sucker born every minute = ~36,288,800 new suckers every year.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

To finish my thought: if I were Libby's attorneys, I would announce publicly their intention to call Wilson, Lehane, Kristof, Cooper, Novak, and Pincus, among others, as witnesses. I would love to see how that would reverberate in DC.


34 posted on 11/03/2005 8:45:24 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: maggief
That's what Wilson himself stated. Now that both Wilson and Plame have been proved frauds, they are no longer claiming her name was covert just her job. My problem with this assertion is that Wilson is proving that 2+2 still equals 4. Reporters frequently enter Langley but are segregated from classified information but not always employees so who's to say a reporter didn't see her at Langley and knew she was Wilson's wife? Then who's to say Libby didn't hear it from a reporter first? Who's to say Libby knew who Fitzgerald was talking about,Plame, Wilson's Wife, Mrs. Wilson, Church going Wilson? If she wasn't covert and no information specifics were discussed why is the media still calling it a leak?
35 posted on 11/03/2005 8:48:11 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Is anyone else out there getting the impression that this whole affair may in fact be Rove's most daring and complex plot yet - and the Democrats have stepped into the trap bigtime and are now in so deep that they won't be able to find reverse? lol
36 posted on 11/03/2005 9:03:30 AM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: oceanview
But the idea that these media witnesses told the truth when they all claimed not to know who Wilson's wife was, is laughable. they all knew

And you know this beyond a metaphysical certainty, how?

37 posted on 11/03/2005 9:31:37 AM PST by Dave S
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To: garyb

If a reporter were trying to identify Wilson and everything about him in order to understand why the CIA would send him on a mission to Niger, one thing the reporter would explore would be Wilson's wife and her occupation and political ties. Wilson's Who's Who entry gives his wife's name. A political contribution database gives her political donation info and the name of her company. Novak was quick to identify her company as a CIA front. Was he told about it? Was it easily discernable to those familiar with CIA operations? I would like to know these things.


38 posted on 11/03/2005 9:41:04 AM PST by petitfour
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To: InvisibleChurch
(this is a good place to start)

(the real liar)

(Joe Wilson's 60 Minutes)

39 posted on 11/03/2005 9:45:28 AM PST by yoe
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To: garyb

"I've heard about this entry before, but I don't see that the inclusion of her NAME is in any way related to releasing her clandestine occupation."

My view is that the law states that in order for an agent to be considered covert, then the government must be actively trying to conceal his/her connection to the US government.
Married to a former ambassador, and NSC member, and a man who writes an NYT op-ed piece saying he worked for the CIA on a mission to Niger. Was there any activity by the CIA to conceal her connection to Joe Wilson?


40 posted on 11/03/2005 10:15:50 AM PST by RWE
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To: Dave S

well in Cooper's case, because he was asking Libby about "Wilson's wife". what reason would he have had to even ask that, imagine if Wilson's wife was a bartender, what sense does the question "did his wife have anything to do with the Niger trip?" make if Wilson's wife is known to be a bartender? none. The question only makes sense, has any context at all, if Wilson's wife was known to be who she was, by the person asking the question.


41 posted on 11/03/2005 10:30:40 AM PST by oceanview
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To: airborne

R-U-S-S-E-R-T.....is right my friend.


42 posted on 11/03/2005 10:49:21 AM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Timmy and the other liars of the MSM, who testified at this witch hunt for Rove could be in a lot of trouble re perjury in upcoming criminal cases and financial trouble in civil cases.


43 posted on 11/03/2005 10:50:22 AM PST by Grampa Dave (MSM pseudo reporters use "could, may, and might" when they are lying and spinning.)
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To: samadams2000

I guess it never came up in dinners with the R-U-S-S-E-R-T-S and the Wilson Plames and the Mathews then right??? What fun those dinners must have been?????


44 posted on 11/03/2005 10:52:31 AM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
How do you know what questions Fitzgerald asked them?

Or can you acknowledge that you don't?

45 posted on 11/03/2005 10:52:54 AM PST by lugsoul
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To: Baynative

They are all linked at the hip...R-U-S-S-E-R-T-S/ Mathews's/ Coopers/ Wilson Plame/...its really the untold disgusting tale.


46 posted on 11/03/2005 10:54:27 AM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: InvisibleChurch

>>>"But perhaps more importantly, if Plame's work was an open secret in media circles [according to Mitchell], how is it that her boss, Mr. Russert, who - as NBC Washington bureau chief was presumably monitoring developments in "the intelligence community" as they related to the Wilson story - would have been oblivious to this same "widely known" information?"<<<

I'll give that one a big WOW!


47 posted on 11/03/2005 11:00:50 AM PST by PhilipFreneau ("The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." -- Psalms 14:1, 53:1)
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To: Borax Queen
But Mr. Russert might want to clear the air and explain how he managed to stay in the dark about key information in a case that was the talk of the town in early July 2003 - while the same information was "widely known," according a senior reporter who worked under him.

Very interesting.

48 posted on 11/03/2005 11:03:08 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: oceanview
The question only makes sense, has any context at all, if Wilson's wife was known to be who she was, by the person asking the question.

Well duh, Rove admitted that he told Cooper. So of course he knew enough to confirm with Libby. Recall that Rove released Cooper from protecting his identity as source just before Cooper was about to go to jail.

49 posted on 11/03/2005 11:12:07 AM PST by Dave S
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To: InvisibleChurch

Tim Russert's wife is a well connected author- Maureen Orth.
Read her bio at http://www.maureenorth.com/ and tell me with a straight face, that Mrs Russert would not have also known that Val P ! (that's what she liked to be called, per 60 Minutes ) worked at the CIA.
BTW- Was I the sole viewer who watched Olbermann interview Wilson last night ?
Olbermann asked Joe W ! " Did Mr Fitzgerald ever contact you ? "
Joe W ! : " I spoke with Mr Fitzgerald early on in his tenure. I went to meet with him at his request.
I laid out the details of my trip to Africa for him..."
Joe W ! " I spoke to him one other time " - the same day as Judy Miller testified, but Joe W ! said that what he spoke to Fitzgerald about-had nothing to do with Miller.
And then Olber called Sean and Rush " reactionary parrots " for daring to question Joe 's veracity and motives.
It appears that Fitz was reading off the script that Joe W ! provided and had tunnel vision.
Must indict Karl Rove. Must indict Karl Rove.
Too bad Fitzgerald didn't have Zell Miller on his staff.


50 posted on 11/03/2005 11:25:24 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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