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Protesters rally on South Oval (Univ. of OK)
OU Daily ^ | 11/03/05 | by Meredith Simons

Posted on 11/03/2005 10:00:28 AM PST by LibertyRocks

Three men knelt on the street in front of Dale Hale. Their bodies were shrouded in sand-colored jumpsuits and burlap sacks covered their heads. The chains around their necks were clipped to black leashes that they held in their hands and offered to passersby.

“Take the leash!” they shouted through the sacks. “Does this make you sick to your stomach? It should, because people are being tortured!”

The startling display of anger at the war in Iraq drew a crowd quickly. The group of protesters, which was made up of sign-wielding students and Norman residents as well as the hooded men, gathered at noon in front of one of OU’s busiest buildings.

“If you’re not angry, you’re not paying attention!” they shouted to passing students. “Stop the abuse and the torture!”

It wasn’t long before the protesters’ passionate pleas evoked passionate responses from students.

Courtney Johnson, education senior who fought in Iraq, strode up to Dan McAniels, English graduate student and one of the men holding a sign.

“You can’t tell people who’ve been there what it’s like!” he shouted.

McAniels yelled something back and Johnson advanced, still shouting, until nothing but a few inches and McAniels’s “Drop Bush Not Bombs” sign separated them.

Johnson’s friends had to pull him away from McAniels. A police officer who had been on the way to the scene addressed Johnson.

“What are you trying to do?” he demanded. “If you get in their face, try to start a fight, guess who’s going to jail?”

Johnson agreed to back off but didn’t seem to regret what he did.

“That’s passion,” he said of his shouting. “I was in Iraq. This is bullshit.”

The protesters, most of whom are affiliated with The World Can’t Wait, a web-based organization dedicated to opposing the Bush administration, insisted that the protest was not degrading to the military.

“We’re not against the troops,” Ashley Cook, journalism sophomore, said. “We just want to save lives. We don’t want anyone else to die for this.”

Cook is the president of Bring Them Home, a student group that plans to push for the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq.

Wednesday’s protest, which focused on the abuse and torture of detainees, was Bring Them Home’s first event. It was held in conjunction with The World Can’t Wait’s call for action on Nov. 2, the anniversary of Bush’s reelection and what it’s calling “The beginning of the end of the Bush regime."

The World Can’t Wait called for people to stage walkouts at schools and businesses and hold protests on Wednesday. According to its Web site, groups from Seattle to New York responded.

In central Oklahoma, the reaction was varied. Some passersby flashed peace signs and called out thanks to the protesters, but more students either rolled their eyes or openly challenged the protesters.

“Is this allowed?” a girl wondered out loud as she walked by demonstration.

“Yes, it’s called dissent!” Kerryn Laumer, human relations senior, yelled. “It’s patriotic! You should try it!”

Laumer, 44, sees the protest as a means of fighting apathy and disbelief among students.

“This audience has never been faced with this kind of war before,” Laumer said. “And they react the way anyone reacts to something the first time. With disbelief.”

Having men dress like torture victims and offer their leashes to passing students was designed to combat the disbelief, said Kyle Ellis, political science sophomore and one of the three who donned a jumpsuit and sack.

“It’s out of sight, out of mind about things like this. But this puts it right in their face. They see it. Better than pictures, better than video,” he said.

This “in-your-face element” infuriated many students.

Adrea Clark, public affairs and administration sophomore, was offended by how everyone walking through the South Oval was forced to watch men dressed as torture victims deride the current military effort.

She confronted the protesters, pacing in front of the three kneeling figures and shouting.

“You don’t understand!” she screamed. “You’re liars!”

She turned to leave the circle of onlookers that had gathered around the men, but when one of the protesters said something about her family member in Iraq, she whirled around.

“No!” she said. “I don’t have a family member over there! There’s a man I want to marry over there!” Again she turned to leave, but a protester’s voice stopped her.

“Why are you letting him die?” a hooded man called out.

“I’m not letting him die!” Clark screamed. She rushed through the bystanders, pausing about 10 yards away, where she was briefly comforted by a friend before sinking to the ground.

Tears rolled down Clark’s face as a man came up to comfort her.

“They think this accomplishes something, but it doesn’t,” she said. “That’s not how you solve things.”

Other onlookers who were less passionate than Clark still didn’t agree with the protesters’ methods.

“I think there are better ways to do this,” Jonathan McKay, letters sophomore, said. “People feel like they are being attacked, even people who are against the war.”

Zach Burris has a different perspective on the controversial demonstration.

“It does kind of seem like they’re pushing it down people’s throats,” he said, “But sometimes that’s the only way to get people involved,” he said.

Laumer agreed that the importance of the protester’s message outweighs the need to be inoffensive. “Anything that breaks the silence is worth it.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiwar; bleedingheartattack; bringthemhome; normanbombing; oubombing; protest; theworldcantwait
Some quotes from the protestors:
“If you’re not angry, you’re not paying attention!”
“Anything that breaks the silence is worth it.”

Some pictures available at the link... Coverage from the Norman Transcript to follow in posts below.
1 posted on 11/03/2005 10:00:30 AM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks

So the turds are rising to the top of the Democrat sewer in Norman, Oklahoma.


2 posted on 11/03/2005 10:03:15 AM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: LibertyRocks

Were there any protestors displaying the behavior that got the inmates captured in the first place???

Any 'death to the Evil Satan America' taunts?


3 posted on 11/03/2005 10:03:26 AM PST by austinaero
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To: LibertyRocks
Let me first apologize for the idiots who are do this in the Great State of Oklahoma.

Of course you can always get a few college kids to do stupid stuff. I am glad there were a few who stood up to them.

4 posted on 11/03/2005 10:08:25 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: LibertyRocks; PhiKapMom
thanks for the post Liberty. In front of Dale Hall is where all the loonies seem to gather. When I was there it was people telling everyone they are going to hell.

If my buddy from college and I would have been there, we would have the whole crowd laughing at them in no time.

5 posted on 11/03/2005 10:08:36 AM PST by CharlieOK1 (Have you read my #1 Bestseller? There is a test. -God)
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To: All
Coverage from The Norman Transcript. I have slightly edited the article to correct formatting errors where apostrophes and quotation marks were replaced with question marks

Protest elicits strong feelings on both sides


by James S. Tyree

Ashley Cook, for the life of her, cannot understand why so many people lack the guts to demand an end to U.S. occupation in Iraq and its rising casualty count.

Adrea Clark, for the life of her, cannot understand how people can be so heartless by protesting the military operation carried out by people like her fiance.

The views came to a head Tuesday afternoon during a demonstration against the war in Iraq. The protest happened outside Dale Hall on the University of Oklahoma's South Oval.

Three protesters portrayed Guantanamo Bay prisoners by kneeling while dressed in khaki prison clothes with sacks over their heads and leashes around their necks. Other protesters held signs that criticized President Bush and demanded an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.

"We wanted to stop and speak up against this corruption by organizing to make something happen," said OU graduate student Dan McRaniels and member of World Can't Wait.

McRaniels said his group organized protests on campuses and communities across the nation Tuesday because it marked the one-year anniversary of the president's reelection.

Cook, of Longview, Texas, belongs to the OU student organization Bring Them Home. She is passionate about a U.S. withdrawal, but she wants that groundswell to come from all kinds of people.

"This is a peaceful protest," Cook said. "We want to keep it moderate with Republicans and Democrats, as many people as we can get. - People are dying - and people are just standing around letting it happen."

Moderate and peaceful may have been the goal, and there was no physical violence at the protest that started at noon. But there was plenty of passionate shouting that came deep from the gut, both from protesters and some of the many students who stopped and watched.

As sign-holders and "prisoners" decried the military and civilian casualties in Iraq, others said they were disrespecting this country along with military personnel in harm's way and their families.

Clark, in particular, wiped away tears falling beneath eyes shielded by her OU cap and called the protest "ridiculous. I wanted to punch them, but I didn't."

Clark is a sophomore engaged to a Marine stationed in a part of Iraq "where people die every day." Watching the TV news terrifies her because so many soldiers and Marines in his area have been killed.

"It's not the way to stop a war and it's not the way to treat people," she said of the protest, sobbing but with conviction, after walking away from a brief shouting match. "They have no regard for anyone but themselves and their point of view."
6 posted on 11/03/2005 10:09:12 AM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: LibertyRocks

Nobody dressed as a suicide bomber?


7 posted on 11/03/2005 10:09:42 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: LibertyRocks

"It's not the way to stop a war and it's not the way to treat people," she said of the protest, sobbing but with conviction, after walking away from a brief shouting match. "They have no regard for anyone but themselves and their point of view."

Welcome to the world of liberalism, honey.


8 posted on 11/03/2005 10:15:58 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: LibertyRocks

Shouldn't these lemmings be in class?


9 posted on 11/03/2005 10:18:27 AM PST by fhlh (Polls are for strippers and liberal spin.)
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To: Cindy; backhoe; nw_arizona_granny; PhiKapMom; Rte66; laz; Lizarde; hispanarepublicana; ...
Ping - I've tried to address this to those who have expressed interest in the happenings at OU. I do not have access to the "official" OU ping list.

OU Anti-war Protests...
10 posted on 11/03/2005 10:19:12 AM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: LibertyRocks

I am curious as to what would have happened if you grabbed the leash, put your foot hard on the jerks back and then pulled like heck on the strap? He offered it to you? Isn't that consent? It would have made a effective counter protest I would think!!


11 posted on 11/03/2005 10:20:44 AM PST by Winston Smith
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To: yellowdoghunter

No apologies necessary... This of course isn't just happening at OU - it's happening all over the U.S. at many universities. It just happens to be of particular interest given the recent events at the University. I too, am glad that the papers at least gave a little voice to those who stood up against the protestors.


12 posted on 11/03/2005 10:21:24 AM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: CharlieOK1

You're welcome. (o:


13 posted on 11/03/2005 10:22:04 AM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: LibertyRocks
If You Ain't Outraged
14 posted on 11/03/2005 10:27:18 AM PST by bholaway
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To: Winston Smith

I wondered the same thing thinking someone should've obliged them, held the chain (although without the foot and yanking) and then started questioning the protestors in regards to the crimes these prisoners committed before they were detained. It would've made an effective counter-protest to hear the "anti-war" activists defend the atrocities the terrorists are committing.


15 posted on 11/03/2005 10:28:23 AM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: bholaway

LOL - Thanks for posting the link... Good song by the Right Brothers! (o:


16 posted on 11/03/2005 10:32:00 AM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: LibertyRocks

Should have brought a woodchipper over and offered to feed them into it.


17 posted on 11/03/2005 10:37:59 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: LibertyRocks

I hate to admit it, but I am shaking with rage, tears in my eyes, at the sickening, outgrageous display on the University of OK campus! God bless Courtney Johnson and Adrea Clark for standing up and facing these lying scumbags! May God protect our military men and women from our enemies within and our enemies abroad.


18 posted on 11/03/2005 10:44:53 AM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: LibertyRocks

This cries for a counterdemonstration that displays photos of the results of terrorist actions, including:

* children maimed and killed by terrorist bombs

* men and women beheaded by terrorists

* signs that say - Why are you wasting your pity on this debris when they are the ones performing these real atrocities?


19 posted on 11/03/2005 10:56:50 AM PST by Mack the knife
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To: Mack the knife

Hopefully there are some courageous students down there in Norman who will see your post and take your advice. Good ideas... (o:


20 posted on 11/03/2005 11:00:23 AM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Uhh, no need to apologize. The loons were all over the place yesterday.


21 posted on 11/03/2005 11:17:32 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Merry Fizzlemas, DUmmies!)
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To: Winston Smith

Grab the leash and kick his ass!

Woulda been good for a laugh!


22 posted on 11/03/2005 11:31:52 AM PST by Redbob
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
NOV. 2 - THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF THE BUSH REGIME
23 posted on 11/03/2005 12:07:25 PM PST by Yellow Rose of Texas (Separation of Church and State is a MYTH, read the First Amendment)
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To: All
You all might be interested in this thread as well. Another happening on OU Campus yesterday. It's also another article with a quote from Mohamed Elyazgi (some of you might recognize that name...).

Islamic Expert Speaks on Politics (at OU)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1515114/posts
24 posted on 11/03/2005 12:58:50 PM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: LibertyRocks
Would somebody please make a list of these protesters names so they can be blacklisted for any future employment opportunities
25 posted on 11/03/2005 1:30:39 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: All

Cook, of Longview, Texas -- she is not even from Norman or Oklahoman.

I was on campus yesterday afternoon and drove by Dale Hall -- must not have been a big demonstration because I didn't see a thing.

Most Oklahoma students wouldn't give this the time of day -- last time they demonstrated against Iraq War, the fraternities shouted them down along with the ROTC. Most of the kids go to class and could care less about the loud mouth leftist on campus.

We do not have a large presence of anti-war types -- our OU College Republicans outnumber the scummy party by about 5-1 if not higher then that.

OU is not a liberal campus and even when I disagree with Boren, he is NOT a liberal, not even close. I am getting sick and tired of OU being portrayed as this big liberal campus when it couldn't be farther from the truth. Oklahoma kids are not liberal by and large except for a few loudmouths. We have some great kids that attend OU including two of my own and a whole host of other kids in and out of the Greek system which is primarily Republican.

Most of the professors my kids have had have been a-political or ethics counts types in the journalism college. These demostrators are a small minority of loudmouths on campus when most of the student body could care less about them or their cause. I cannot remember one liberal professor they had that showed their true feelings to the students -- my son's Women in the Courts prof in the Honors Department was a conservative.

Rudy spoke at the Spring Convocation two years ago and we had members of the Faculty Senate nodding their heads in approval at his positive remarks about Pres Bush. Pres Boren endorsed our three very conservative Republican legislators (1 Senator and 2 Reps) in the last election against liberal Democrat women.

We have a large ROTC contingent on OU -- OU partners with the Boy Scouts and has for almost 60 years. That is not some liberal college and I resent the inference that it is.


26 posted on 11/03/2005 1:42:32 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII MOM -- Istook for OK Governor in 2006! Allen in 2008!)
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To: PhiKapMom
I have to admit your post confuses me a bit... I don't know who/what your post was directed at, but since it was linked to my posting of the Norman Transcript article I guess I will respond...

I honestly don't see anywhere that anyone is thinking that OU is a liberal college. The quotes from the students who spoke out against this protest were refreshing - most papers don't bother to give voice to them at all.

ALL colleges and universities have their share of "liberal" student groups, and MANY colleges were the unfortunate hosts to these types of anti-war demonstrations yesterday. It was not just at OU - and Oklahomans, Students at OU, and others should not feel obligated to apologize for, or defend themselves in regards to the actions of these disillusioned activists.
27 posted on 11/03/2005 2:31:02 PM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: LibertyRocks

bttt !!!!


28 posted on 11/03/2005 4:12:59 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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To: PhiKapMom

Yeesh, it made me feel like Rip Van Winkle--like I fell asleep for 30-40 years and when I woke up, it was as if nothing has changed at all. Let's pray that none of this leads up to another Kent State, which is what they seem to want.

Unfortunately, my time at OU was dominated by those types, all in *my* chosen school, the J-school. The leader of the SDS was also the editor of the OU Daily at the time. I'd show up and they wouldn't give me the time of day, much less any assignments.

I'd waited all my life to go my beloved campus and enjoy my time there, but they caused me to hate it, as much as any schoolyard bully could have done. I transferred out to a much more conservative school, SMU, and majored in broadcasting instead. Luckily, over the years, I saw the changes in Oklahoma politics and in OU, living close by and getting to teach some classes there. It was gradual, but it did happen--even got to see my old fave Henry Bellmon back in the governor's mansion back then.

This doesn't make me feel any bad will towards OU, probably nothing ever could--except my one year there that was ruined by these lib hyperoids. I just hate what outsiders tend to think, like some of our posters here, calling it a cesspool. Believe me, it's not, and never will be. It is a world-class university, which is why the Enemy is trying so hard to destroy it.


29 posted on 11/03/2005 9:48:37 PM PST by Rte66
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To: LibertyRocks
I agree....I think everyone here understands that OU is NOT a liberal college....just a few freaks every now and then.

Some people need to lighten up.....

Thanks for posting the story.

30 posted on 11/04/2005 7:28:06 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: LibertyRocks

If Hinrichs were still alive, I wonder what he would have been doing this day.


31 posted on 11/06/2005 9:51:42 AM PST by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: LibertyRocks
This is Courtney Johnson from the protest on the campus of OU. I just wanted to thank everyone for their support. They still say there is more to come but in response to that I say the samething. Next time I might be able to go at them with a clear head instead of just off emotion. For anyone that has any affiliation with OU this incident will be in the school yearbook this year. I was interviewed last Friday for the story. So if you get a chance get the yearbook or at least read a copy of it. Thanks again!!
32 posted on 11/23/2005 12:55:15 PM PST by Sgt.Johnson
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