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Rioting In French Suburbs 'Well Organized'
Drudge Report ^ | 11/3/05 | Drudge

Posted on 11/03/2005 12:21:25 PM PST by areafiftyone

French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said Thursday that the riots in several Paris suburbs over the previous night were "not spontaneous" but rather "well organized."

"What we saw in the department of Seine-Saint-Denis overnight was not spontaneous, it was perfectly organized. We are looking into by whom and how," Sarkozy told French news channel i-tele.

The interior minister also said the government would not allow "troublemakers, a bunch of hoodlums, think they can do whatever they want" in the country.

A force of 1,000 police were assigned late Thursday to Seine-Saint-Denis, following the previous night of violence which affected about half of the 40 towns in the department, mostly communities of immigrants from Africa, officials said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; nicolassarkozy; ouijad; parisriots; riots; sarkozy; seinesaintdenis
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To: elc

Someone on another thread put forward the notion that the rioters are not Islamic militants, but simply unemployed and underemployed kids raising a ruckus for heck of it.


51 posted on 11/03/2005 12:41:02 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: elc
the British bombers were from upper middle class families

It's a simple question of formal property ownership. In the West, property registration is well organized. In third world countries the poor also own quite a bit, they are not generally poor, but property registration is nearly non-existent, so they can't use their property as bank collateral.

52 posted on 11/03/2005 12:41:38 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: L98Fiero
I've been saying it for two days. Insurrection.

Probably -- and if so it's a typically stupid move by the salamikazes.

As long as the French were pussy-footing around to keep the Muslim population happy (and therefore working against our interests elsewhere in the world), the French were among their best allies.

But if this really is well-organized, the salamikazes will discover what too many around FR seem to forget: the French are perfectly capable of responding ruthlessly when they feel threatened. And this is shaping up as a real threat.

53 posted on 11/03/2005 12:42:27 PM PST by r9etb
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To: dfwgator

The french are infidel, that is all that matters. Nothing else about them is even under consideration by these animals. We too are infidel


54 posted on 11/03/2005 12:42:28 PM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country. Islam is a terrorist organization.)
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To: SMARTY
Translation:

Villepin wants "to tie up the dialog" Suburbs: Villepin wants "to tie up the dialog" Dominique of Villepin and Nicolas Sarkozy multiplied Thursday the meetings on the violence of the suburbs, meeting local elected official and associations. The Prime Minister assured Thursday evening to want "to tie up a dialog to find adapted solutions", all while putting forward the "restoration of the public order".

55 posted on 11/03/2005 12:42:48 PM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: horse_doc

Alot of people have been making fun of the French Army on FR, with the surrendering and the cheese, all very funny. But you have hit the nail on the head - push the French far enough and they will explode. I for one hope they do - it might go a long way toward dispelling the myth of a country scraed to fight for what's right.


56 posted on 11/03/2005 12:43:20 PM PST by steel_resolve
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To: areafiftyone
They're not terrorists. They're insurgents...
57 posted on 11/03/2005 12:44:16 PM PST by gridlock (Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing... Monty Burns)
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To: areafiftyone

The French are revolting.


58 posted on 11/03/2005 12:45:14 PM PST by conserv13
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To: oyez

pain grillé de lait

so true


59 posted on 11/03/2005 12:45:48 PM PST by kalee
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To: Dallas59

I will second that, bet the nutso's have something to do with this.


60 posted on 11/03/2005 12:45:54 PM PST by chinditz (Cuius testicles habes, habet cardium et cerebellum.)
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To: Hang'emAll


61 posted on 11/03/2005 12:46:02 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: eureka!

Ouijad! I'm still laughing.


62 posted on 11/03/2005 12:46:07 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Dream Ticket: Cheney/Rice '08)
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To: fanfan

Wow..look how hot that van is.


64 posted on 11/03/2005 12:47:14 PM PST by Jalapeno
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To: r9etb
" the French are perfectly capable of responding ruthlessly when they feel threatened."
Right, just like they did against the nazis. OK so maybe they will go in and kill a few. Do they have the balls to get rid of the problem? No way. Would they rescind the citizenship of these muzzies and deport them to the ME? No way. Will they eventually surrender? Yup.
65 posted on 11/03/2005 12:48:06 PM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country. Islam is a terrorist organization.)
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To: areafiftyone
Of course -- it is the French Fallujah.
66 posted on 11/03/2005 12:48:26 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: ChadGore

I'd almost give anything to hear the conversation between Bush and the French leaders right now. Choice!


67 posted on 11/03/2005 12:48:29 PM PST by SMARTY
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To: areafiftyone

It just goes to show that capitulating to the Islamofascists like France has done, does not spare you.


68 posted on 11/03/2005 12:49:16 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
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To: Brad Cloven
Thanks, but I also like "Ouihad."

Cheney has already held down the #2 post, and Rice needs to get elected to some office before running for the #1 slot, which she can have in 2012 (guessing that Cheney will opt for but a single term).

69 posted on 11/03/2005 12:49:33 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Dream Ticket: Cheney/Rice '08)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
When push comes to shove the French has the capacity to unleash the hounds.

They'd best get to some serious unleashin' ... and quick.

70 posted on 11/03/2005 12:49:38 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: heartwood
If Europe was to unite, they might win.

The 4th Richte. The world needs that like a hole in the head.

71 posted on 11/03/2005 12:49:47 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: areafiftyone

Anyone care to take a stab as to when France will "sound off like they got a pair" and deal with these maggots?


72 posted on 11/03/2005 12:49:56 PM PST by PAMadMax (Islam is the enemy of all mankind...AlJazeera is its PR Firm)
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To: Hang'emAll
This is about as close as you are going to get unless they start arresting these people. They do it mostly at nght which makes it hard for camera shots.

73 posted on 11/03/2005 12:51:31 PM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Jalapeno

Those French trucks burn faster than they run.


74 posted on 11/03/2005 12:52:38 PM PST by oyez
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To: conservativewasp
the citizenship of these muzzies and deport them to the ME? No way. Will they eventually surrender? Yup.

Muzzies? And a lot of these people aren't from the middle east, they are from North Africa and they are not all religious fundamentalists

These riots are like to the Rodney King riots in LA.

75 posted on 11/03/2005 12:52:46 PM PST by conserv13
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington; Flyer
"Ouijad! I'm still laughing."

Flyer gets the credit. Good job Flyer. Humor is one of the great things about this place...

76 posted on 11/03/2005 12:53:13 PM PST by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/4 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: Buffettfan

Why don't their friends the Germans come over and help. It's not like they DON'T know the way to Paris. They could find it in their sleep.


77 posted on 11/03/2005 12:53:22 PM PST by SMARTY
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To: areafiftyone

More catch and release, I see.


78 posted on 11/03/2005 12:53:33 PM PST by oyez
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To: steel_resolve

Shall we give them longer than the "two weeks" it took to surrender to the Germans?
The French have nothing to fight for!! Right...Wrong... it's all relative.
The French government pursued the "feed the crocodile" path and now they find themselves caught up in it themselves. Unless the French can convince these "terrorists" to find another enemy, Caliphate looms!!!


79 posted on 11/03/2005 12:53:43 PM PST by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006 - George Allen, POTUS 2008)
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To: wideawake

Oh, I have not doubt that most of the rioters are unemployed or underemployed teenagers and early twenty somethings. Many of them are probably doing it just for fun or because they saw their friends and family doing it. Many of them are doing it because they believe the truly bullsh** they are being fed. The same thing happens in Northern Ireland.

However, that doesn't mean that Islamic militants aren't there, pulling their strings and organizing everything.


80 posted on 11/03/2005 12:53:48 PM PST by elc
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To: areafiftyone

Maybe they should call the Israeli's for help.


81 posted on 11/03/2005 12:54:15 PM PST by Zathras
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To: areafiftyone

They better start restricting immigration and begin the mass deportations or this will be a regular event in France and the rest of Europe. Of course, they probably won't, but they should. It's a wakeup call and France will probably hit the snooze bar.


82 posted on 11/03/2005 12:54:56 PM PST by Reagan is King (Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it)
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To: steel_resolve

I'm surprised to hear that the French can "explode". And I am waiting to see just what that looks like. Any historical references would help.


83 posted on 11/03/2005 12:55:17 PM PST by sarasota
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To: areafiftyone

I think the people are throwing off the yoke of liberalism.


84 posted on 11/03/2005 12:55:57 PM PST by Rippin
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
"Too many socialists in power. Not going to happen."

Socialist is not synonymous with pacifist.

Fifty million Chinese dead at the hand of Mao; thirty million Soviets killed in the name of Stalinism; plus millions of: Cubans, Cambodians, Vietnamese, Nicaraguans, etc. etc. etc. -- all killed in the name of socialism.
85 posted on 11/03/2005 12:56:03 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: areafiftyone
"troublemakers, a bunch of hoodlums, think they can do whatever they want"

Uh-oh, now you've gone and done it. The hoodlums are not gonna like that yogi. Now they're REALLy going to get mad.

86 posted on 11/03/2005 12:56:10 PM PST by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, bama...banana rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Totally agree. When push comes to shove the French has the capacity to unleash the hounds.

I'm in agreement. It'll be bloody and largely unreported, and I'll find myself in the rare position of rooting for the French.

87 posted on 11/03/2005 12:56:47 PM PST by Snake65 (Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
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To: Zathras; All

Yves Montand

Battling Joe


Dans un village noir de charbon
Dans les ch'minées et les corons
Tout p' tit il battait ses copains
Il était fier de ses deux poings
Presqu' autant qu' son père le mineur
Qui disait: " Ça f' ra un boxeur "
Le jour de son premier combat
Fallait un nom, l' en avait pas
Comme la mode était à l' anglais
Il s' appela " Battling Joe "

Battling Joe
C' était un peu démesuré
Pour un gosse aux épaules étroites
Mais qui avait une méchante droite

(;o{


88 posted on 11/03/2005 12:57:30 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life.)
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To: Snake65

Do you have references to France "unleashing the hounds"?


89 posted on 11/03/2005 12:58:30 PM PST by sarasota
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To: conservativewasp
You're letting your biases get the best of you. I'd rather base my opinions on what they've actually done in the past.

Look at French colonial history, especially in Algeria. You'll find that the French can be amazingly brutal when they set their minds to it.

90 posted on 11/03/2005 12:59:04 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Jalapeno; fanfan; blackie
With a name like Jalapeno and talking about hot, figures.

It is hard to not have some schadenfreude over all this after the way they carried on about how we mis-managed Katrina.

91 posted on 11/03/2005 12:59:17 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: Buffettfan

great site..post those two pics of France and Baghdad..lol! I would, but have not ever posted pics before. That is too funny!! LOL


92 posted on 11/03/2005 12:59:42 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: sarasota
Do you have references to France "unleashing the hounds"?

Look up Algeria some time. They were brutal.

93 posted on 11/03/2005 12:59:52 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Jalapeno

The French accomplished their moral capitulation decades ago and as a national entity, have long been regarded as a disgrace...it would be expecting nearly the impossible for them draw a line in the sand now.


94 posted on 11/03/2005 1:00:12 PM PST by SMARTY
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To: fanfan

Hey, who is the French guy in cuffs in the third pic from the top?

Seriously though, keep the pics coming fanfan. I'm sending them to people who need to see them.

subterfuge


95 posted on 11/03/2005 1:00:27 PM PST by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, bama...banana rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

And don't forget that France was the first modern totalitarian state.


96 posted on 11/03/2005 1:00:49 PM PST by r9etb
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To: areafiftyone

11,000 SOLDIERS BY MAJOR DON FICHTHORN

Eleven thousand soldiers
lay beneath the dirt and stone,
all buried on a distant land
so far away from home.

For just a strip of dismal beach
they paid a hero's price,
to save a foreign nation
they all made the sacrifice.

And now the shores of Normandy
are lined with blocks of white:
Americans who didn't turn
from someone else's plight.

Eleven thousand reasons
for the French to take our side,
but in the moment of our need,
they chose to run and hide.

Chirac said every war means loss,
perhaps for France that's true,
for they've lost every battle
since the days of Waterloo.

Without a soldier worth a damn
to be found within the region,
the French became the only land
to need a Foreign Legion.

You French all say we're arrogant.
Well hell, we've earned the right--
We saved your sorry nation
when you lacked the guts to fight.

But now you've made a big mistake,
and one that you'll regret;
you took sides with our enemies,
and that we won't forget.

It wasn't just our citizens
you spit on when you turned,
but every one of yours
who fell the day the towers burned.

You spit upon our soldiers,
on our pilots and Marines,
and now you'll get a little sense
of just what payback means.

So keep your Paris fashions
and your wine and your champagne,
and find some other market
that will buy your aeroplanes.

And try to find somebody else
to wear your French cologne,
for you're about to find out
what it means to stand alone.

You see, you need us far more
than we ever needed you.
America has better friends
who know how to be true.

I'd rather stand with warriors
who have the will and might,
than huddle in the dark
with those whose only flag is white.

I'll take the Brits, the Aussies,
the Israelis and the rest,
for when it comes to valor
we have seen that they're the best.

We'll count on one another
as we face a moment dire,
while you sit on the sideline
with a sign, "friendship for hire."

We'll win this war without you
and we'll total up the cost,
and take it from your foreign aid,
and then you'll feel the loss.

And when your nation starts to fall,
well Frenchie, you can spare us,
just call the Germans for a hand,
they know the way to Paris.

Don Fichthorn, Major USMC (Retired)

http://www.angelfire.com/hero/uniformedwarriors/france/fr.html


97 posted on 11/03/2005 1:00:56 PM PST by Buffettfan (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: r9etb

The descendants of those Algerians are the problem.


98 posted on 11/03/2005 1:01:41 PM PST by SMARTY
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To: r9etb

Algeria was over 40 years ago.


99 posted on 11/03/2005 1:01:57 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: L98Fiero
I've been saying it for two days. Insurrection.

Media calls it a riot, but you're right, insurrection is a better description. After seven nights, this is obviously a campaign, more fitting with insurrection than riot.

ri·ot

A wild or turbulent disturbance created by a large number of people.

in·sur·rec·tion

The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.

100 posted on 11/03/2005 1:02:20 PM PST by Plutarch
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