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Islamic expert speaks on politics
OU Daily ^ | 11/03/2005 | Kris Akins

Posted on 11/03/2005 12:39:03 PM PST by LibertyRocks

Georgetown professor lectured on democracy and the Middle East.

A specialist in Islamic studies spoke about democracy and misconceptions of Islam Wednesday, in a lecture titled “Islam, Terrorism and Democracy.”

John Esposito is a professor of religion, international affairs and Islamic studies at Georgetown University. He is also the founding director of the university’s Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding.

Esposito said Islamic extremists are a strong minority of the 1.3 billion Muslims living in the world today. Nevertheless, he said the actions of this small group make Americans ask questions like, “What is the problem with Islam?” or “Why do they hate us?”

Jason Yousif, zoology senior, said the bombing on campus brought “jihad” to everyone’s mind.

“It makes it hard to be someone of an outside faith in this country,” he said.

He said he hopes lectures and news coverage will help people understand that not all Muslims are extremists.

Rachel Krueger, accounting junior, said she thinks people should not judge a group based on what some have done.

“Just because someone of their religion does something does not mean that everyone else agrees with it,” she said.

Another assumption is that democracy’s absence from Islamic states is because of its peculiarity to Muslim culture, or that it is only meant for the western paradigm, Esposito said.

Esposito said these claims are not true, pointing out that most Euro-Christian nations began as something far from democratic.

Rather it is the presence of a “culture of authoritarianism” in most Middle Eastern Muslim countries that hinders regimes from becoming more democratic, he said.

Mohammad Elyazgi, civil engineer in the department of transportation, said he hopes people see that religion is not the source of the problem.

He said he understands the feelings Americans have, but they need to find the roots of these issues in the Middle East. He said the issues of fairness, justice, economic problems and Western-supported regimes are the aspects of the problems.

“There is still a push for democracy in many parts of the Muslim world,” Esposito said.

However, he said non-governmental organizations are not necessarily the key. He said once they are established, they then become regulated by authoritative regimes.

“Some Muslims say that Islam and democracy is incompatible,” he said.

He said there are others who say they want their own version of increased political participation, excluding the title “democracy.”

Democracy is discredited in Muslim countries, he said.

“We are seen as having a kind of policy that we advocate for ourselves,” he said.

However, he said the test for developing democracies like Turkey will be to see elected Islamists moving toward strengthening society and democratizing.

The United States and Europe have the biggest challenge in history facing them, he said. He said the situation between the U.S. and Muslim worlds has never been worse, and it will take a generation to change.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: normanbomging; oubombing; trop; wot
To those of you following the OU Bombing case this name should ring a few bells...

"Mohammad Elyazgi, civil engineer in the department of transportation, said he hopes people see that religion is not the source of the problem.

He said he understands the feelings Americans have, but they need to find the roots of these issues in the Middle East. He said the issues of fairness, justice, economic problems and Western-supported regimes are the aspects of the problems."


A little bit more info about Mr. Elyazgi:
1.) Recent mayoral appointee to the City of Norman, OK Citizens' Oversight Committee - Term: 8/9/05 to 11/27/08
2.) Father of 2 OU Students who are both officers in the OU Muslim Students' Association (Amera and Houda Elyazgi)
3.) Mohamed's wife Malaka Elyazgi was appointed by Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry to be a member of the Ethnic Americans Advisory Council in May 2004.

He is also very involved in the Islamic Society of Norman, listed as the Incorporator of the An-Nur Academy (Children's school in the Norman Mosque) as well as listed as the Incorporator for the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma...
1 posted on 11/03/2005 12:39:04 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: PhiKapMom; Rte66; backhoe; MizSterious; RegulatorCountry; indcons; cf_river_rat; ...

Thought you might be interested in this article regarding a recent lecture at OU. Yet another article with quotes from the apparent Norman, OK Muslim spokesman Mohamed Elyazgi.


2 posted on 11/03/2005 12:42:49 PM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: LibertyRocks

"He said he hopes lectures and news coverage will help people understand that not all Muslims are extremists."

Good luck. Tell it to the French.


3 posted on 11/03/2005 12:42:56 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: LibertyRocks

They spend a lot of time scolding us for being suspicious. Why don't they turn their backs on these terrorists and demand they cease their actions? Wait...I have the answer to that one...


4 posted on 11/03/2005 12:50:51 PM PST by AmericanChef
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To: hsalaw
"Tell it to the French."

And the Danish who have seen their own riots recently...
5 posted on 11/03/2005 12:52:23 PM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: LibertyRocks
I heard from a very good source that the bomber in OK was part of this group.

If you have not heard of Tablighi Jamaat you better learn about it!!!!!!

6 posted on 11/03/2005 12:56:30 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Eternity? Smoking or nonsmoking?)
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To: LibertyRocks

"Esposito said these claims are not true, pointing out that most Euro-Christian nations began as something far from democratic.

Rather it is the presence of a “culture of authoritarianism” in most Middle Eastern Muslim countries that hinders regimes from becoming more democratic, he said."

But we evolved. They degenerated. If anything, Islam of the Middle Ages was far more tolerant than the fanatic Wahhabists. As far as being a minority - Wahhabists are the ONLY sect permitted in Saudia Arabia and they are FAR from tolerant and are responsible for spawning most of the Islamofascism in the world.

Finally, the "culture of authoritarianism comes directly from Islam.

What major belief system today calls for death for any convert to another religion, or for death for non-beleivers? What belief system divides the entire world into tow camps - one dominated by Islam where all non-Muslims are treated as second class citizens and brutally oppressed and the other camp as a battleground for conversion of peolpe aho are not Muslim?

My guess is the "reasonableness" of Muslims in America is directly realted to their small percentage of the population. As the Nigerians, Sudanese, Egyptians, and Ethiopians who are not Muslims, how "tolerant" Islam is.

Once they reach a critical mass, as in Paris, they explode.


7 posted on 11/03/2005 12:58:44 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: LibertyRocks
He said he hopes lectures and news coverage will help people understand that not all Muslims are extremists.

That's true. As far as I can tell, there are three kinds of Muslims:

* Extremists
* Enablers
* Lapsed Muslims.

Based on what I've seen, I prefer the last group.

8 posted on 11/03/2005 12:59:13 PM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: LibertyRocks

I have been wondering what the latest is from Denmark. Do you know?


9 posted on 11/03/2005 1:05:52 PM PST by kalee
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To: Maceman

Make that 4 kinds Dead
I am not advocating killing them, they do a pretty good job of killing themselves. for example...
trying to hide in electrical substations, shooting rifles into the air, blowing themselves to paradise for virgins....and lest I forget stoning adultresses and slitting the throats of immodest daughters and sisters


10 posted on 11/03/2005 1:10:53 PM PST by kalee
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To: kalee; Maceman

Which leaves me with this question? Why haven't they killed each other in the Paris riots? Usually when muslims riot, they die at the hands of other muslims.


11 posted on 11/03/2005 1:12:53 PM PST by kalee
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To: ZULU

Esposito is a traitor and an apologist for terrorism.


12 posted on 11/03/2005 1:25:09 PM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: kalee
The last and only report I saw was a translation of an article written on 10/31 - 11/01. As of Oct. 31 there were 4 nights of riots, but I haven't heard whether they were stopped, or if they still continue. One scary factor in the protests in Denmark was a quote from one of the rioters stating they had planned it for "3 weeks"...

There is NOTHING available in the MSM or any English News Outlets

Here is a link to the FR Thread featuring the Viking Observer Blog's translation:
War in France - War in Denmark
13 posted on 11/03/2005 1:37:19 PM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: LibertyRocks

"A strong minority...of 1.3 billion Muslims," he says, are the dangerous 'extremists'.

I don't know what a strong minority is, but would you say about 10% of the 1.3 billion?

That means 130,000,000 people I don't know want to kill me!

Whew, that's a relief. I thought there was some danger out there.

And he wonders why we look askance at Muslims.


14 posted on 11/03/2005 1:41:21 PM PST by wildbill
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To: LibertyRocks

The man is either a fool or a liar.


15 posted on 11/03/2005 1:56:47 PM PST by whershey
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To: All
Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding

What the hell is that - I understand all I want to understand about 'em, kill them or deport them - no in between....

16 posted on 11/03/2005 2:06:42 PM PST by michaelbfree
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To: LibertyRocks

When Saudi Arabia has a Christian-Muslim Understanding then I might listen.

Or

allows Christians to worship openly in that country, like the Phillipino servants cannot, or they allow me to wear my crucifix, then we can talk.

Until then, my thoughts are not charitable, nor do they wish them well. In fact, I don't wish them well at all. Not at all.


17 posted on 11/03/2005 2:07:51 PM PST by OpusatFR (Yes, I'm having a bad day. Thank you for asking.)
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To: LibertyRocks

islam's DOGMA, IS the problem.

The only "moderate" islam is an islam which is a numerical/political minority.

islam IS the problem.

Every other explanation is Bravo Sierra.

Sue me you murdering animals.


18 posted on 11/03/2005 2:15:06 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound (What ya gonna do?.......... Get REAL........ American CONSERVATIVE, not a Republican lapdog)
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To: LibertyRocks
Jason Yousif, zoology senior, said the bombing on campus brought “jihad” to everyone’s mind.
“It makes it hard to be someone of an outside faith in this country,” he said.

LOL!!! Hard to be someone of an outside faith in this country??? What about in every turd-world islamo-nazi culture on the face of this earth you pig's ass? No one rounded up and killed any muslims after the bombing, did they? But in a muslim country if a non-muslim is so much as suspected of having impure thoughts about the prophet, they murder every westerner they can get their bloodstained little hands on.

19 posted on 11/03/2005 3:32:54 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: isthisnickcool

Sounds more like the bomber's mom's church, if you leave out the Islam references. Same exact tactics. He resisted the JW's all those years, so when his dad said that Joel III eschewed *any* type of ideology, I tended to believe him.


20 posted on 11/03/2005 9:28:01 PM PST by Rte66
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To: LibertyRocks
“Just because someone of their religion does something does not mean that everyone else agrees with it,” she said.

But when nearly everyone of that religion doesn't denounce the "someone", and attempts to shift the focus by whining about suspicion and profiling, it means they tacitly support the "someone" and are running interference for him.

21 posted on 11/06/2005 9:47:57 AM PST by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: LibertyRocks

To absolve Islam of blame is ridiculous. That's why terrorists believe they have a right to rule the world. Islam and the Koran are what get most of these ninth century fiends out of bed in the morning, along with jealousy and rage at the US. It gives Muslims a license to keep women illiterate and two steps behind the family goat. It even encourages them to beat, rape, maim, and murder their sisters, wives, and daughters.

This doesn't even begin to touch the wholesale murder of innocents, as in 9/11. Muslims strap bombs on children and dance in the streets when they blow themselves to kingdom come. Moderate Muslims remain mysteriously silent or invisible. Could they be afraid of speaking out? Why is that, when their religion is one of peace? It's all about power. You know: if it walks like a duck, sends airliners into tall buildings, blows up the London tube, and sets half of Paris on fire, etc..


22 posted on 11/06/2005 10:08:15 AM PST by hershey
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