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The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris
City Journal ^ | Autumn 2002 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 11/03/2005 4:44:08 PM PST by mojito

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To: Cicero

Is the the late 70's version with the updated sountrack? Not bad.


151 posted on 11/04/2005 12:45:33 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: Reaganesque

And the truth is that French culture never was under threat from Micky D's et al. They barked up the wrong tree and meanwhile, the barbarians seeped in.


152 posted on 11/04/2005 12:45:34 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Kozak

It cannot be allowed. End of discussion. Were France to fall, we'd have to invade, again, in order to secure the nukes. Is this how WW3 begins?


153 posted on 11/04/2005 12:47:02 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

And make no mistake. Many if not most of the liberal US urban areas tend to try and emulate Paris. There is a definite moral to this story!


154 posted on 11/04/2005 12:49:29 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Cronos

One other thing. Back during the 800 - 1400 time frame, the main threats were the Muslims and the Mongols. Today, in addition to this diffuse Muslim insurgent force, there are nuclear armed nation states, which do not subscribe to Western values. The best of the bunch is Russia and it goes downhill from there. We are in a world of hurt.


155 posted on 11/04/2005 12:53:07 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Cautor

Damned good point! We never learn because we fail to 'effectively' pass on our experiences and youth is wasted on the young.


156 posted on 11/04/2005 1:02:48 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: ThePythonicCow

Exactly, if one is not prepared to fight for one's beliefs, lifestyle and culture, then one should not expect to survive, indeed one should not survive.


157 posted on 11/04/2005 2:52:16 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: Kozak

"FNS Triomphant"

Soon to be re-named "IFNS Crescent".


158 posted on 11/04/2005 4:48:01 PM PST by PsyOp (Men easily believe what they want to. Caesar, De Bello Gallico, III, 18.)
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To: mojito

bump for later


159 posted on 11/04/2005 5:15:10 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: dennisw
Mexico is mostly a pagan nation. With a veneer of Catholicism.

That's my impression as well. And there is a substantial streak of anti-Catholicism in their "Revolution" as well. Most Americans know little of Mexico's culture or its history. With the continuing mass migration that's being encouraged by both political parties they will get exposed to it soon enough, and some of it will come as a rude surprise.

160 posted on 11/04/2005 5:19:52 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Cronos

I live and work with Mexico's citizens on a daily basis. My impression is a bit different from yours.


161 posted on 11/04/2005 5:24:24 PM PST by Pelham
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To: TXBSAFH
Islamist vs frogs, I do not see as I have a dog in this fight. But it will be fun to watch.

Les Froggies have nukes and missiles.....this musn't get out of hand.

162 posted on 11/04/2005 5:28:08 PM PST by stboz
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To: Right Wing Professor
Of particular interest:

I first saw l’insécurité for myself about eight months ago. It was just off the Boulevard Saint-Germain, in a neighborhood where a tolerably spacious apartment would cost $1 million. Three youths—Rumanians—were attempting quite openly to break into a parking meter with large screwdrivers to steal the coins. It was four o’clock in the afternoon; the sidewalks were crowded, and the nearby cafés were full. The youths behaved as if they were simply pursuing a normal and legitimate activity, with nothing to fear.

Eventually, two women in their sixties told them to stop. The youths, laughing until then, turned murderously angry, insulted the women, and brandished their screwdrivers. The women retreated, and the youths resumed their “work.”

A man of about 70 then told them to stop. They berated him still more threateningly, one of them holding a screwdriver as if to stab him in the stomach. I moved forward to help the man, but the youths, still shouting abuse and genuinely outraged at being interrupted in the pursuit of their livelihood, decided to run off. But it all could have ended very differently.

Several things struck me about the incident: the youths’ sense of invulnerability in broad daylight; the indifference to their behavior of large numbers of people who would never dream of behaving in the same way; that only the elderly tried to do anything about the situation, though physically least suited to do so. Could it be that only they had a view of right and wrong clear enough to wish to intervene? That everyone younger than they thought something like: “Refugees . . . hard life . . . very poor . . . too young to know right from wrong and anyway never taught . . . no choice for them . . . punishment cruel and useless”? The real criminals, indeed, were the drivers whose coins filled the parking meters: were they not polluting the world with their cars?
163 posted on 11/04/2005 5:34:59 PM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. )
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To: razorback-bert

It's a bit of an old-fashioned useage, but it really doesn't have the law enforcement intelligence-gathering connotation that has become common; here, it just means the person who is imparting news, telling the story.


164 posted on 11/04/2005 10:12:46 PM PST by A. Goodwin
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To: mojito

Very excellent article.


165 posted on 11/04/2005 10:45:06 PM PST by wideminded
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To: dangus

Dangus - I want to second your observation. Catholicism in central/south America is not necessarily what we think of as Catholicism, but a mismash of "Liberation Theology", socialism/communism, and local traditional beliefs. It's a very different animal.


166 posted on 11/05/2005 5:53:42 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: Disambiguator; mojito

I can't raise, but here's my contribution to the pot: " Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis


167 posted on 11/05/2005 6:00:11 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: Pelham
That's my impression as well. And there is a substantial streak of anti-Catholicism in their "Revolution" as well.

Their Indian paganism carries the day. Aztec, Mayan and a thousand more.

Mexico is an Indian plantation with Spanish overlords

168 posted on 11/05/2005 6:01:47 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Tolik; Zacs Mom; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Boazo; Alamo-Girl; devolve; ..

gotta read bump


169 posted on 11/05/2005 7:08:52 AM PST by bitt ("..the very obsession of your public service must be Duty, Honor, Country." Gen. Douglas MacArthur)
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To: ThePythonicCow

But the petty bourgeois, deaf and blind, continues to play the buffoon without knowing it. Still miraculously comfortable in his lush fields, he cries out while glancing toward his nearest neighbor: "Make the rich pay!" Does he know, does he finally know that it is he who is the rich one, and that the cry for justice, that cry of all revolutions, projected by millions of voices, is rising soon against him, and only against him. That's the whole theme of Camp of the Saints.

So, what to do? ,This is so much more than true!!!!


170 posted on 11/05/2005 8:24:14 AM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: bitt

Bitt,this is by far the most frighting article I've read!!!


171 posted on 11/05/2005 8:35:12 AM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: bitt

It's a keeper; thanks for the ping.


172 posted on 11/05/2005 12:23:45 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: TXBSAFH
"Islamist vs frogs, I do not see as I have a dog in this fight. "


I wonder....

WE, as a nation, seem to be oblivious to what is happening right here on our own soil, let alone what is happening elsewhere.
Sure, we all hear about the "protests" and we shake our heads and mutter about what a bunch of idiots these people are -
but do we ever look closely at who these idiots are, what they are protesting or, more importantly, what they are advocating?


The following is just a small collection of images collected from recent protests here in the US -



I've refrained from including the more vulgar images but this is a fair representation of the philosophies embraced by the base the cRats are currently catering to.


173 posted on 11/05/2005 4:35:11 PM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: mojito

Le Bump


174 posted on 11/05/2005 5:02:50 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


175 posted on 11/05/2005 9:16:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cautor

like Le Pen?


176 posted on 11/06/2005 7:19:58 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: mojito

I am kind of shocked by this article.

I've never read Kafka, but it reminds me of what I imagine his stuff to be.


177 posted on 11/06/2005 7:43:30 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: mojito
This is a long article but, it is an absolute MUST READ.

Every single politician should be required to read it line for line. There are numerous warnings here for our own society. What's happened in Paris could easily happen here, if we keep going down the socialist road.

Excellent post.

178 posted on 11/06/2005 8:42:24 PM PST by Pajamajan (The Democrat party proudly brings you the new and improved Soviet Union.)
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To: mojito

Very informative article. Thanks for posting it.


179 posted on 11/08/2005 5:24:28 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = MOOLIGANism)
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To: mojito

This article reminded me of my visit to Paris in 2001. We hired an english-speaking cabbie to drive us from Orley airport to Paris. He was intelligent and articulate, having spent two years in the US playing soccer. He told us then how frustrated he and many others were at the "ghettos" of immigrants surrounding Paris. We drove by one of these areas and at the time, being quite uninformed, I was truly surprised at the large numbers of African immmigrants... and I had no idea they were Muslims.

The recent violence in France is very upsetting to me. While I can understand all of the smaller elements that have gone into making this volatile and potentially catastrophic situation, I still hurt for the people, such as our cab driver, that are trying to have things changed but, much like here, are faced with the elitists among the media, government, and academia that promulgate these utopian and ridiculously-impossible set-ups. Frankly, I think our own welfare system is similar to what the French have done, just not on their level. Thank God for good old fashioned American pragmatism and our wonderful work ethic.

Anyway, thanks for the post. People need to wake up and see that as France and other European countries become islamicized, it is going to bode very poorly for us. Eventually, it almost seems like it'll be the US and Israel against everyone else.


180 posted on 11/08/2005 5:59:16 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: NattieShea; PowerBaby
Ping to the kids.

Understanding this is why you are learning history.

181 posted on 11/08/2005 6:23:04 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: mojito

well, to me this is just great news, and i will immediately open a nice bottle of french champagne when i return tonight.

i have been ploting the destruction of france for decades, nut i decided a few months ago to rather watch the french destroy their country themselves :)))

so, dear friend, pls keep these stories coming!


182 posted on 05/16/2008 3:14:39 AM PDT by dr wahnfried von braun (dr wahnfried von braun - plotting the destruction of france since 1980)
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