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The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris
City Journal ^ | Autumn 2002 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 11/03/2005 4:44:08 PM PST by mojito

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To: Pelham
That culture is largely pagan.

Mexico is mostly a pagan nation. With a veneer of Catholicism.

141 posted on 11/04/2005 8:53:14 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: mojito
Dalrymple commenting on rap lyrics quoted just above:

"This vile rubbish receives accolades for its supposed authenticity: for in the multiculturalist’s mental world, in which the savages are forever noble, there is no criterion by which to distinguish high art from low trash. And if intellectuals, highly trained in the Western tradition, are prepared to praise such degraded and brutal pornography, it is hardly surprising that those who are not so trained come to the conclusion that there cannot be anything of value in that tradition. Cowardly multiculturalism thus makes itself the handmaiden of anti-Western extremism"

BTTT

142 posted on 11/04/2005 9:19:29 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Regulator
Bump for this thread, and bump for your reference to this book. Here's a link to the preface, with the image linked to the book on Amazon.

 

 

 

 


 

Preface to

The Camp of the Saints by Jean Raspail

Translated by Gerda Bikales*
1995

 

Published for the first time in 1973, Camp of the Saints is a novel that anticipates a situation which seems plausible today and foresees a threat that no longer seems unbelievable to anyone: it describes the peaceful invasion of France, and then of the West, by a third world burgeoned into multitudes. At all levels —global consciousness, governments, societies, and especially every person within himself— the question is asked belatedly: what's to be done?


143 posted on 11/04/2005 10:28:15 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: Diva; Skywalk
We must be better able to distinguish between who people are and what they do, and also distinguish between individuals and groups.

We are all creatures of God, as you note. When one of us performs an act of evil, we must not hesitate to resist and punish that act. When a group of people are inflicted with a cultural disease, such as leftism or radical islam or communism, we must resist with all our might, and not hesitate to condemn that diseased culture to the garbage heap of history.

144 posted on 11/04/2005 10:39:46 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I forgot to include a link to the Preface to he Camp of The Saints. It's at http://www.mnforsustain.org/camp_of_the_saints_preface_bikales_g.htm
145 posted on 11/04/2005 10:42:13 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: mojito
I see your Dalrymple, and raise you one Churchill.

Prescient, indeed.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property; either as a child, a wife, or a concubine; must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248 50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

146 posted on 11/04/2005 11:22:30 AM PST by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: mojito
THE ZONE:

Rebel Fire - Out of the Gray Zone

In this place, and in the very near future, everyone is tracked everywhere by the State for their own good. Dreams and ambitions are given compulsory treatment. Spy cameras are everywhere and people are monitored, tracked and told everything they can and can’t do. Privacy is a thing of the past.

Even more frightening, the technology for this new Orwellian world is here today and being put in place now...

[excerpt:]

“Jeremy, do you need your meds adjusted?” his teacher asked, with a threat like a rattlesnake lying under the official concern in her voice. She looked down at an old-fashioned flat screen set into the desk beside her. “You haven't been to the Homeland Serenity Center for evaluation in three months.”

“I was checked by the HPG patrols last week,” he lied, looking straight at Phelps and ignoring the snickering stares of the other students.“They said my med levels are okay.”

HPG stood for “Health, Productivity, and Growth,” the slogan printed on the side of the Department of Homeland Serenity roving mental-health vans.

“I don’t show that check here.” Phelps made a show of consulting the screen again. Jeremy shrugged, using all his talent to paint innocence on his face. “They stopped me at Main last Tuesday. Did a chem-scan.” He was glad he had actually seen the patrol set up its checkpoint; on her screen she could verify that they’d done med checks when and where he claimed.

What he hoped she didn’t know was that he had dodged the check point. The HPGs were usually pretty easy to sneak away from. Just a few techs, some pharmcorp employees, maybe a draftee, maybe a couple of Golden Years Volunteer guards with pistols. No machine guns. No plasarmored troopers like Drug Enforcement, Firearms Elimination, Homeland Security, National Service, or the Forest Service mobile check-vans had.

The HPGs could do scary things to you if their scans indicated you’d gone total un-med. Or if you tried to run from them. But most people were glad for med-checks. Med-checks kept everybody peaceful and happy. So the HPG's weren’t alert for dodgers.

Phelps glared at Jeremy for a moment, then at the screen again. “I’ll assume a database glitch. For the moment.”

There were – everybody knew it – a lot of glitches in all the gigs of data. Sometimes the glitches could sink you...

http://www.rebelfirerock.com/RFChp1.pdf

147 posted on 11/04/2005 11:47:47 AM PST by Tucson_AZ
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To: Diva

I only consider the ideologies to be garbage and those that focus their admiration on the hatred and genocidal aspects of that particular ideology. I just didn't want to jog my memory for more names of 'movements' in this country.

Besides, PLENTY PLENTY of middle and even upper-class people have joined these types of movements and participated in the same hatred, irrationality and violence.

So, no, it wasn't a view of the underclass at all. I've BEEN there (economically-speaking) so it would be hard for me to have that view.


148 posted on 11/04/2005 11:47:56 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: mojito

I predict that Europe will have another 1930s. But it will be even worse than last time. When the SHTF, the knee jerk reaction will be sort of a hyper fascism. And into the resulting melee, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization will surge.


149 posted on 11/04/2005 12:41:48 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Cautor

We will follow suit if the PC morons who have so much admiration for Europe and the third world, continue to hold sway.


150 posted on 11/04/2005 12:42:51 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: Cicero

Is the the late 70's version with the updated sountrack? Not bad.


151 posted on 11/04/2005 12:45:33 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: Reaganesque

And the truth is that French culture never was under threat from Micky D's et al. They barked up the wrong tree and meanwhile, the barbarians seeped in.


152 posted on 11/04/2005 12:45:34 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Kozak

It cannot be allowed. End of discussion. Were France to fall, we'd have to invade, again, in order to secure the nukes. Is this how WW3 begins?


153 posted on 11/04/2005 12:47:02 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

And make no mistake. Many if not most of the liberal US urban areas tend to try and emulate Paris. There is a definite moral to this story!


154 posted on 11/04/2005 12:49:29 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Cronos

One other thing. Back during the 800 - 1400 time frame, the main threats were the Muslims and the Mongols. Today, in addition to this diffuse Muslim insurgent force, there are nuclear armed nation states, which do not subscribe to Western values. The best of the bunch is Russia and it goes downhill from there. We are in a world of hurt.


155 posted on 11/04/2005 12:53:07 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Cautor

Damned good point! We never learn because we fail to 'effectively' pass on our experiences and youth is wasted on the young.


156 posted on 11/04/2005 1:02:48 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: ThePythonicCow

Exactly, if one is not prepared to fight for one's beliefs, lifestyle and culture, then one should not expect to survive, indeed one should not survive.


157 posted on 11/04/2005 2:52:16 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: Kozak

"FNS Triomphant"

Soon to be re-named "IFNS Crescent".


158 posted on 11/04/2005 4:48:01 PM PST by PsyOp (Men easily believe what they want to. Caesar, De Bello Gallico, III, 18.)
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To: mojito

bump for later


159 posted on 11/04/2005 5:15:10 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: dennisw
Mexico is mostly a pagan nation. With a veneer of Catholicism.

That's my impression as well. And there is a substantial streak of anti-Catholicism in their "Revolution" as well. Most Americans know little of Mexico's culture or its history. With the continuing mass migration that's being encouraged by both political parties they will get exposed to it soon enough, and some of it will come as a rude surprise.

160 posted on 11/04/2005 5:19:52 PM PST by Pelham
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