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The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris
City Journal ^ | Autumn 2002 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 11/03/2005 4:44:08 PM PST by mojito

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To: mojito
Amazing.. Absolutely amazing..
I knew or "felt" it was bad in France it would have to be..
More is said between these lines than it said in this long story..

With 20 maybe 40 million mexicans in the U.S. I give us what 20 years.. Sure we are armed.. only anarchy can happen in border policys like we have.. Carter just may NOT be the worse President America has had.. in 20 years..

51 posted on 11/03/2005 6:42:13 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Deo volente
Today, France and Western Europe. Tomorrow, America.

While reading this excellent article there were sections where I experienced some deja vu. It gave me some of the same impressions I felt during the last riots within Los Angeles. The Gang problem within the US inner cities definitely has some similarities to the problems within the Zones. Looks like France has begun to experience a never ending riot.

There is one significant difference between the US and French problems. In France the zones were moved outside the progressive city states. Within the US the gangs are taking over the city states. Thus, law abiding citizens within the US have migrated away into the suburbs. Unfortunately the French may have become trapped within their progressive city states, since their suburbs have been turned into gang infested zones surrounding their cities.

52 posted on 11/03/2005 6:58:55 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: 308MBR
Did anyone get that? Allowing runaway immigration of people distinct from the culture to assuage a temporary labor shortage will produce a very real threat to the culture that allowed them to immigrate in the first place. Now, let's ship the Mexican home, fine the doo doo out of whoever employed them while they were here and make them pay the income and social security taxes they owe the citizens of the USA Maybe if the H1 visa program were ended, wages for scientists and engineers might rise, which would lead to more home boys and girls entering useful fields. Your post was great until your last line ! with the dumbing down of sciences and maths and emphasis on feel good but ultimately useless subjects ( like arts!) there is absolutely no-one America has to blame for a high tech skills shortage . Do you think the average Chinese or Indian learns the basics of the economy like maths and chemistry at school or shakespeare ?
53 posted on 11/03/2005 6:59:40 PM PST by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: mojito

Thank you very much for posting this article. Very enlightening to say the least...


55 posted on 11/03/2005 7:01:11 PM PST by LibertyRocks (OU Bombing Summary and more... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: Deo volente

Today, America.

It's in full swing.

Learn spanish.


56 posted on 11/03/2005 7:16:09 PM PST by Stopislamnow
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57 posted on 11/03/2005 7:18:34 PM PST by Fred Nerks (MAINSTREAM MEDIA ISN'T MAINSTREAM IT'S THE ENEMEDIA!)
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To: mojito

bump


58 posted on 11/03/2005 7:22:29 PM PST by VOA
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To: mojito

Eye opening. Thanks for the post.


59 posted on 11/03/2005 7:23:15 PM PST by workerbee (A person's a person no matter how small.)
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To: Cautor; TXBSAFH; MarMema; jb6; CarrotAndStick; Arjun; sukhoi-30mki
If France falls, if Israel falls, if India falls to these barbarians, then the flood gates are jammed wide open. these are the frontier states remember. If we allow them to fall, the rest of the world is next. No matter how much the French may irritate us, WE must save them from themselves, for OUR own sake.

Christendom made the mistake earlier when they let Orthodox Syria, Coptic Egypt etc. fall to the hordes of Mad Mo. Only Spain and India survived the onslaught of these hordes. Now, the hordes are on the rise again, only now they are more desperate as their spawning grounds are mired in hopelessness and they must have new civilisations to infest.

Take India for example -- the slammies were earlier 11% of their population, now they have supposedly increased to 19% -- not through conversion. THe virus is spawning. They are the real plague, not SARS or bird flu.
60 posted on 11/03/2005 7:40:06 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: newfarm4000n; Atlantic Friend
Now, let's ship the Mexican home

Mexican culture is Christian, not slammie like the maghrebins (nord-akfrikans).
61 posted on 11/03/2005 7:42:24 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos
France will not fall. The Islamics, as usual, have over played their hand. If they stayed quiet and didn't attack they'd win the demographic war, but they can't get their 72 whores without Jihad, gotta have Jihad. They've made their move and don't think for a second that the French will forget this rioting or that they will forget how the leftists failed in so many ways.

The nationalism and defense of Church which is already manifested in the Netherlands and spilling over into western Germany, will now explode in France and all other western Europeans will be on watch....they now see every minute what is happening (as opposed to our lame wrist self absorbed media which tells us nothing of the rest of the world).

India will not fall, the Chinese are getting in on the battle, the secularists in Central Asia are obviously ready to use deadly force, as in Uzebekistan. The Russians are becoming ever more religious and the Church and people will not put up with it.

If it wasn't for us, Israel and Yugoslavia would not be loosing their war and the Christian Lebanese wouldn't suffer either.

In our desire to be liked by the Islamics, we are hampering this war. We need to let the Serbs and Israelies do their thing.

I'm afraid that it will take a major terrorist event and hundreds of thousands of deaths before we figure that one out.

62 posted on 11/03/2005 7:55:25 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: mojito

Excellent post.

There were many disturbing elements in this article, including this one below:

"Moreover, such an arrest would retard their careers. The local police chiefs were paid by results—by the crime rates in their areas of jurisdiction. The last thing they wanted was for policemen to go around finding and recording crime."


63 posted on 11/03/2005 7:57:47 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Regulator

Don't EVER call Dalrymple a ninny or a fool.

As for assimilation, there's no reason why West African immigrants couldn't have been assimilated as they often are here in the US.

European policies and cultural attitudes prevent anything resembling real integration and assimilation, not only of the cultural kind but economic.

But anyone knows this, apparently not you. Don't try to pigeonhole these riots into the Islam/West template, because while that element IS at play, these 'youths' parents were far better citizens than their children and granchildren. You can't just blame Islam for that.


64 posted on 11/03/2005 7:59:05 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: mojito

The West needs another Charles Martel, the Hammer, to rid Gaul of the Islamic horde. With all the extreme prejudice of the first Hammer.


65 posted on 11/03/2005 8:00:49 PM PST by Pelham
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What a wonderfully well-written article. Eye-opening social commentary with biting wit. I was struck by how relativism -- the spawn of the French intellectual elite of Sartre, Camus, et. al. -- has infested and destroyed the common sense of the French. I was also struck by the inablility of postmodern "lovers of the arts" to distinguish between misogynist celebration of violence and works of genius.

When the fabric of a society has been destroyed by postmodernism, when it is rotten at its moral and intellectual core, its will to survive is gone. The question is, can a revitalization of that society be accomplished in a post-Christian era?

66 posted on 11/03/2005 8:01:30 PM PST by phelanw
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To: mojito

Every crime, one senses, means a vote for Le Pen or whoever replaces him.


67 posted on 11/03/2005 8:03:35 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6; Cronos

While the jihadist mentality is at play in the Paris riots, I think people overlooked an entire article (and remember West Africans are in there too, non-Muslim in background in many cases) that described what sounded like 'inner city' America to me, but these areas seem even worse (in terms of overall culture.)

This is a case of an economy and cultural policy in place that exacerbate and even CREATE some of these problems. The economic policies guarantee permanent unemployment while the cultural ambivalence guarantees that these inhabitants feel resentful AND entitled. A terrible combination to say the least.


68 posted on 11/03/2005 8:06:23 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: ladyinred
I am wondering at what point the world is going to say enough of the leftist pc mindset that makes this kind of horror breed in our streets?

At about the same time we decide to get serious with our own immigration problem. And as long as Dubya is still trying to pawn off his amnesty by another name, the point is a long way off.

69 posted on 11/03/2005 8:08:44 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Cronos

That culture is largely pagan.


70 posted on 11/03/2005 8:11:47 PM PST by Pelham
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To: mojito

arg, you read stuff like this you want to get a shovel and dig a bunker. What a mess.


71 posted on 11/03/2005 8:14:25 PM PST by Jalapeno
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To: Skywalk
This is a case of an economy and cultural policy in place that exacerbate and even CREATE some of these problems.

Yeah. Right. Keep putting lipstick on that pig.

72 posted on 11/03/2005 8:15:11 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Skywalk
And a lot of them will die before its over. Sooner or later France will switch to the hard tactic. What most people don't understand is the human extremes...those who bend over backwards to be "nice" and "civil" will one day, when pushed hard enough, become the trully violent and cruel.

Why? because they feel the most betrayed to those for whom they gave so much and bent over so much. And vengence is a human emotion that has driven many a war.

73 posted on 11/03/2005 8:15:32 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Cronos

In India its through mass migration, and mostly from Bangledesh.


74 posted on 11/03/2005 8:17:10 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Regulator
"The problem isn't that they aren't "assimilating". The problem is that they are there. They and their religion have no plan for assimilation and never did.

Exactly. They convert by the sword, unlike 99.99% of all other world religions which say "you don't believe? That's fine. I'll be on my way", versus "You don't believe? DIE Infidel!! DIE!!"

75 posted on 11/03/2005 8:19:56 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Skywalk
This is a case of an economy and cultural policy in place that exacerbate and even CREATE some of these problems.

Yes, and what's disturbing is how familiar some of it all sounded. "Don't worry, vote for us and we'll make sure the govt provides all your basic needs..."

76 posted on 11/03/2005 8:21:52 PM PST by workerbee (A person's a person no matter how small.)
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To: newfarm4000n

I didn't really want to say it quite the way you did, but bravo! Shakespeare is great entertainment, but reading all the literature in the world just makes you a better reader. You don't learn one useful thing until you read a technical book, whether in math, thermodynamics, statics, hydraulics, etc.

This service/information economy is like a fiat currency. Until a physical item is actually produced, true wealth does not increase...regardless of the Dow Jones.


77 posted on 11/03/2005 8:23:50 PM PST by 308MBR (The cornbread will be no better than the lard.)
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To: Cronos; Cautor; TXBSAFH; MarMema; jb6; CarrotAndStick; Arjun; sukhoi-30mki

I found this bit a week ago...


http://www.fisiusa.org/fisi_News_items/news109.htm


This article by Dr. Walid, a top scholar at the Islamic University, exposes our so-called secular Indian Muslims. By the doctrine of Al-Taqiyah, Muslims dominate crime syndicates, increase population by massive Bangladeshi infiltration and make temporary alliances with Dalits, Christians, etc.

In the early years of the Islamic conquest of the Arabian peninsula and in the Fatah (Arab-Islamic invasion and conquest of the upper Middle East and the outside world), a Muslim concept was devised to achieve success against the enemy (non Muslims), Al-Taqiyah. Al-Taqiyah, from the verb Ittaqu, means linguistically dodge the threat. Politically it means simulate whatever status you need in order to win the war against the enemy ...

According to Al-Taqiyah, Muslims were granted the Shar'iyee right (legitimacy) to infiltrate the Dar el-Harb (war zone), infiltrate the enemy's cities and forums and plant the seeds of discord and sedition. These agents were acting on behalf of the Muslim authority at war, and therefore were not considered as lying against or denouncing the tenants of Islam.

They were "legitimate" mujahedeen, whose mission was to undermine the enemy's resistance and level of mobilization. One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy's camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam ("Oh, I am not religious." "Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation." "Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.") In many instances, they convinced their targeted audiences that Jihad is not aimed at them, that indigenous people are not targeted. Meanwhile the (allegedly) "un Islamic" Muslims continued their attacks on the target's property and life (e.g. Lashkar-e Toyiba, Mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden's
declaration of war against innocent American civilians).

They convinced many Jews that they will be protected from Christians, and they convinced many Christians that Jews were the mortal enemies, because they killed Issa (Jesus). They convinced the Aramaics, Copts, and Hebrews that the enemy is Greece, and signed peace agreements with the Bysantines Greeks at the expense of Maronite Aramaics, etc.

They convinced the knitted diversity of India to degrade into civil war by introduction of a variant Buddhist / mystical Islam (Sufism which is decried as "deviant Islam" used to ease the transition of new recruits from local communities) creating divisions (based on Muslim - Non Muslim) eventually fomenting unrest and chaos in the land to prepare it for waves of armed Invasion (Mohammad bin Qasim, Mahmud Ghaznavi, etc.).

Even today, India is bitterly divided and getting slowly Islamised as battle lines form between hordes of overzealous Muslims (armed and trained in madrasahs) and the more pacifist civilians of urban dwellings.

This Jihadic agency of subversion was one of the most fascinating and efficient arms of the conquest. In less than four decades, the Middle East fell to the Arab-Islamic rule [since Arab society was divided again between pagan and Muslim resulting in nephews and sons killing their uncles and fathers in cold blood] followed by North Africa and Central Asia [this was the era of hordes like tribal conquests where barbaric savages invaded pacifist civilians in towns of major civilizations; the same scenario replayed itself against the Arab-Islamic world with the Invasion of the Mongolian hordes].

Al-Taqiyah was a formidable weapon, used by the first dynasties and strategists. Today, scholars may identify it as deception. But the Jihadic deception was and still is more powerful than the James Bondian methods of Western classical intelligence tactics, for the simple reason that it has a civilizational, global dimension versus the narrow State interest of the regular Western subversive
methods.

Al-Taqiyah is still in use today (and is widely practised and acknowledged by the Shi'ite sect) but not necessarily State-organized. Arab-Islamic missionaries are slowly converting the disillusioned criminal classes of the Western world by feeding them a Western "moderate" version of Islam (at the same time denouncing the actions of Muslims in the rest of the world as Un Islamic e.g. Taliban, GIA & FIA [Armed Islamic Front] of Algeria, Hamas, Lashkar -e Toyiba, Bin Laden and company, etc.)

It is done to prevent the new converts from seeing the real face of Islam; at least until their faith or mental conditioning is strong enough to make them turn against their own country and people.

A good example is the growing influence of Islamists in the Americas. On the one hand, American embassies, trade facilities, soldiers and intelligence infrastructures are under attack (but denounced as un-Islamic for the benefit of the new American converts).

On the other hand, the multiplying Islamic community (due to illegal immigration, paper marriages, religious visas granted to the religious men) attempts to pass itself off as "peace loving" and patriotic. In their own circles, the same community will liberally and violently denounce America, the West and its values (freedom, individualism, secularism, capitalism, scientific materialism, benign rehabilitation of criminals, prevention of cruelty against animals, women and gay rights).

One can easily detect Taqiyah in the two discourses used by Islamist strategists. On the one hand, one comprehensive Islamist theory is attempting to mobilize the Middle East, and sometimes Western Christian leaders and intellectuals, against "evil Jews".

They are forming alliances with everyone from Animal Rights' groups (to attack the Jewish tradition of slaughter which is ironically similar in cruelty to the Islamic way) to Far Right fundamentalists (to push for censorship of critiques of Islam and attack every forward thinking movement like women's rights and gay rights).

We see considerable success on that level. And on the other hand, another Islamist comprehensive theory is attempting - with success also - to mobilize the Jews against "evil and pagan Christians".

One can easily detect the sophisticated work of Taqiyah, for the strategic objective of Islamists is to destroy the foundations of the non Muslim civilizations, as a prelude to the defeat of an isolated Israel, India, United States of America, Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Egypt, Afghanistan, etc.

Taqiyah is not a unique phenomenon in history. Many strategists from all backgrounds implemented subversion. But the uniqueness of today's Taqiyah is its success within advanced and sophisticated societies. Taqiyah is winning massively because of the immense lack of knowledge among Western elites, both Jewish and Christian.

For interesting examples of Taqiyah methods, visit Christian discussion groups and forums and note the discourse of Islamist visitors aimed at undermining the Christian perception of Jews, and visit Jewish discussion groups and forums and note the subtle anti-Christian discourse of Islamist visitors. It is really informative and fascinating.



78 posted on 11/03/2005 8:26:28 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Pelham

HUh?

Um, read the ____ing article. Dalrymple is a conservative commentator and he's saying the same thing. Remember, these thugs imitate the black underclass of the US and Britain. This IS an economic and social issue.

It cuts way deeper than simple jihadism/West.


79 posted on 11/03/2005 8:28:09 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: workerbee

That's my point. On this issue too many people are just looking at the Islamic angle, but even at that protest where white French were attacked, it wasn't JUST Muslims but also West Africans that were among the attackers.

If anything, this situation mirrors some developments in American culture more than it mirrors the worldwide war against jihadism (though there is that element here, as well, making it even worse.)


80 posted on 11/03/2005 8:29:41 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: mojito
The local police chiefs were paid by results—by the crime rates in their areas of jurisdiction. The last thing they wanted was for policemen to go around finding and recording crime.

Ping for later reading. It is a most illuminating article, indeed!

81 posted on 11/03/2005 9:00:55 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Cautor

I say hold the handle down on the Eurabian toilet and let it flush,,,,,,,


82 posted on 11/03/2005 9:02:37 PM PST by crowman
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To: jb6

Good thinking......


83 posted on 11/03/2005 9:08:42 PM PST by crowman
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To: 308MBR

One Consolation, Mexicans are Die Hard Catholics (95%+) and therefore members of Western Civilization, unlike the asiatics ravaging france.


84 posted on 11/03/2005 9:09:53 PM PST by The Cuban
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To: The Cuban

That is quite true, and I'm quite glad of it. Nevertheless, many are here illegally, get paid in cash, pay no taxes, use services like schools and hospitals, and support a corrupt government in Mexico with the money they send home.

An exceptional percentage of Mexicans I have met are nice, hardworking people, and I wish them no ill will. However, their assimilation into the USA's brand of western civ could use some improvement.


85 posted on 11/03/2005 9:14:14 PM PST by 308MBR (The cornbread will be no better than the lard.)
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To: Nateman
Long term results of global socialism.

The global socialists have been accomplishing the destabilization of western culture through what they call 'migration'. In fact this very topic will be hotly promoted in the next Doha Round of the WTO, as the African countries want the "free movement of persons" (the mode 4 rule) to be implemented. This means that Africans will be able to "migrate" freely into first world nations without penalty, to work,just like Mexican citizens come across our borders to do "jobs Americans won't do"TM. It is globally sanctioned illegal immigration, the globalist "free traders" convinced France to allow it and they are in Argentina, working out deals with our president for this hemisphere.
86 posted on 11/03/2005 9:15:27 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: jb6
"I'm afraid that it will take a major terrorist event and hundreds of thousands of deaths before we figure that one out."

Newsflash: this already happened. Thousands were killed. We have already figured it out, and we're fighting it in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Try not to cheapen their deaths by suggesting that we (or they) are still ignorant.

We KNOW.

87 posted on 11/03/2005 9:23:50 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: mojito
Judges often make remarks indicating their sympathy for the criminals they are trying (based upon the usual generalizations about how society, not the criminal, is to blame)...well, after all, it was the great French philosopher Rousseau who preached that it is society which ruins people, that if left alone the noble savage was really peaceful and full of good will - these judges are just celebrating the French heritage.....
88 posted on 11/03/2005 9:38:08 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: mojito

I just read this whole article out to the better half of little jeremiah.

I have no words to say.

BTTT.


89 posted on 11/03/2005 10:16:04 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Prodigal Son
Well, I don't think the fool here is Dalrymple

Oh sure he is! And so are you if you think as superficially and as wishfully as he does.

You did hear about the unfortunate fun in the Underground a few months back, right? Little things...no big deal, right? Just a matter of "assimilation". Then all will be well...right?

Sweet dreams, dreamer.

90 posted on 11/03/2005 10:52:41 PM PST by Regulator (But who will save the King?)
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To: Skywalk
Don't EVER call Dalrymple a ninny or a fool

Why not? He's both.

As for assimilation, there's no reason why West African immigrants couldn't have been assimilated as they often are here in the US

Assimilated to WHAT? Hip-Hop culture? What nut planet do you inhabit?

As folks be saying, you craaaazy, man.

91 posted on 11/03/2005 10:56:26 PM PST by Regulator (Y'all Be Cool now, hear?)
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To: Windsong
You don't believe? DIE Infidel!! DIE!!

It's an effective recruiting technique, isn't it? They got the whole Christian middle east in about a century this way back about 1300 years ago. Held on to it pretty much the whole time up until about a century ago.

They're just getting re-organized. When the enemy let them into his house, they realized he was weak and could be had.

92 posted on 11/03/2005 10:59:47 PM PST by Regulator (But When Will The Hammer Come?)
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To: The Cuban

Diehard Catholics? That's like saying the Soviet Union was diehard Russian Orthodox: They identify with elements of Catholic culture, but Mexico is very un-Christian, after being dominated for nearly a century by anti-clerical, communist-aligned Kleptocrats. It's about as Catholic as Boston.


93 posted on 11/03/2005 11:11:17 PM PST by dangus
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To: Regulator
As for assimilation, there's no reason why West African immigrants couldn't have been assimilated as they often are here in the US

Assimilated to WHAT? Hip-Hop culture? What nut planet do you inhabit?

As folks be saying, you craaaazy, man.


The truth is that neither America or France have handled their black problem very well. Both nations imported millions of blacks for their labor, while denying them basic citizenship rights and refusing to integrate them into society. When their labor wasn't needed any more, both nations were left with millions of Africans who were helpless. With no real idea of how to integrate these people into Western culture, both France and the United States have just stacked them in massive housing complexes, away from the middle class people. We give them housing, food, and basic medical care so they don't all die. Liberals in both countries suffer white guilt and ignore the crimes they commit.

The lesson here, moving forward, is that we Americans have to decide what we are going to do with Mexican and Central American immigrants. We need them here to work, to maintain our standard of living. We also need them because they pay Social Security taxes but don't get Social Security benefits. But the truth is, we don't really want them (speaking as a nation).

We need to either seal our borders and keep Mexicans from coming in, or we need to make serious steps toward integrating them into our society. If we try to have it both ways, we are going to get burned just as we did with African slavery, and just as France is now getting burned.
94 posted on 11/03/2005 11:52:46 PM PST by montanus
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To: jb6
If it wasn't for us, Israel and Yugoslavia would not be loosing their war and the Christian Lebanese wouldn't suffer either

Quite correct

We need to let the Serbs and Israelies do their thing.

Yes, Kosovo IS Serbia, to ask them to give it up is like telling the Brits that London will be ceded to France, to tell the French that Paris will become part of the USA, to tell Mad Mo's followers that Mecca will belong to LAs Vegas.
95 posted on 11/04/2005 12:02:02 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: jb6
I'm afraid that it will take a major terrorist event and hundreds of thousands of deaths before we figure that one out.

I wonder if that will be enough. 9/11 should have been enough to create a coalition of the US, Europe, Russia, India, China, Australia, etc. against the slammie virus. But it didn't happen.
96 posted on 11/04/2005 12:03:40 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Skywalk

The West Africans in France are mostly from French colonies in Senegal, etc. that are Slamic.


97 posted on 11/04/2005 12:05:02 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Pelham

Mexico is Christian.


98 posted on 11/04/2005 12:05:24 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: mojito

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys.


99 posted on 11/04/2005 12:07:17 AM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Regulator

"Assimilated to WHAT? Hip-Hop culture? What nut planet do you inhabit? "

Do you know many West African immigrants to the US or even met any? I'm sure there's a great number that find the 'hip hop' culture alluring, but the most articulate, intelligent and hard-working black men I've seen have been from West Africa (if one looks at it in as an aggregate.)

Did basics like this escape you? What is it you are trying to accomplish in this thread? You are making the Paris situation EXCLUSIVELY one thing when it is actually a combination of factors. This is not liberal-speak for excusing the behavior of the thugs that run "the Zone" but an explanation of why it is the way it is there and guys selling drugs and practicing psychopatholigical criminal behaviors and wearing 'hip hop' clothing is NOT an example of jihadism. If anything, you also missed Dalrymple's point about the allure of more militant Islam as a way of funneling that hatred into a more "meaningful" outlet, but that means there's a distinction between teh thug who is of Muslim ancestry and the one who takes it up as an alternative to normal underclass living.


100 posted on 11/04/2005 12:07:30 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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