Skip to comments.The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris
Posted on 11/03/2005 4:44:08 PM PST by mojito
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With 20 maybe 40 million mexicans in the U.S. I give us what 20 years.. Sure we are armed.. only anarchy can happen in border policys like we have.. Carter just may NOT be the worse President America has had.. in 20 years..
While reading this excellent article there were sections where I experienced some deja vu. It gave me some of the same impressions I felt during the last riots within Los Angeles. The Gang problem within the US inner cities definitely has some similarities to the problems within the Zones. Looks like France has begun to experience a never ending riot.
There is one significant difference between the US and French problems. In France the zones were moved outside the progressive city states. Within the US the gangs are taking over the city states. Thus, law abiding citizens within the US have migrated away into the suburbs. Unfortunately the French may have become trapped within their progressive city states, since their suburbs have been turned into gang infested zones surrounding their cities.
Thank you very much for posting this article. Very enlightening to say the least...
It's in full swing.
Eye opening. Thanks for the post.
The nationalism and defense of Church which is already manifested in the Netherlands and spilling over into western Germany, will now explode in France and all other western Europeans will be on watch....they now see every minute what is happening (as opposed to our lame wrist self absorbed media which tells us nothing of the rest of the world).
India will not fall, the Chinese are getting in on the battle, the secularists in Central Asia are obviously ready to use deadly force, as in Uzebekistan. The Russians are becoming ever more religious and the Church and people will not put up with it.
If it wasn't for us, Israel and Yugoslavia would not be loosing their war and the Christian Lebanese wouldn't suffer either.
In our desire to be liked by the Islamics, we are hampering this war. We need to let the Serbs and Israelies do their thing.
I'm afraid that it will take a major terrorist event and hundreds of thousands of deaths before we figure that one out.
There were many disturbing elements in this article, including this one below:
"Moreover, such an arrest would retard their careers. The local police chiefs were paid by resultsby the crime rates in their areas of jurisdiction. The last thing they wanted was for policemen to go around finding and recording crime."
Don't EVER call Dalrymple a ninny or a fool.
As for assimilation, there's no reason why West African immigrants couldn't have been assimilated as they often are here in the US.
European policies and cultural attitudes prevent anything resembling real integration and assimilation, not only of the cultural kind but economic.
But anyone knows this, apparently not you. Don't try to pigeonhole these riots into the Islam/West template, because while that element IS at play, these 'youths' parents were far better citizens than their children and granchildren. You can't just blame Islam for that.
The West needs another Charles Martel, the Hammer, to rid Gaul of the Islamic horde. With all the extreme prejudice of the first Hammer.
When the fabric of a society has been destroyed by postmodernism, when it is rotten at its moral and intellectual core, its will to survive is gone. The question is, can a revitalization of that society be accomplished in a post-Christian era?
Every crime, one senses, means a vote for Le Pen or whoever replaces him.
While the jihadist mentality is at play in the Paris riots, I think people overlooked an entire article (and remember West Africans are in there too, non-Muslim in background in many cases) that described what sounded like 'inner city' America to me, but these areas seem even worse (in terms of overall culture.)
This is a case of an economy and cultural policy in place that exacerbate and even CREATE some of these problems. The economic policies guarantee permanent unemployment while the cultural ambivalence guarantees that these inhabitants feel resentful AND entitled. A terrible combination to say the least.
At about the same time we decide to get serious with our own immigration problem. And as long as Dubya is still trying to pawn off his amnesty by another name, the point is a long way off.
That culture is largely pagan.
arg, you read stuff like this you want to get a shovel and dig a bunker. What a mess.
Yeah. Right. Keep putting lipstick on that pig.
Why? because they feel the most betrayed to those for whom they gave so much and bent over so much. And vengence is a human emotion that has driven many a war.
In India its through mass migration, and mostly from Bangledesh.
Exactly. They convert by the sword, unlike 99.99% of all other world religions which say "you don't believe? That's fine. I'll be on my way", versus "You don't believe? DIE Infidel!! DIE!!"
Yes, and what's disturbing is how familiar some of it all sounded. "Don't worry, vote for us and we'll make sure the govt provides all your basic needs..."
I didn't really want to say it quite the way you did, but bravo! Shakespeare is great entertainment, but reading all the literature in the world just makes you a better reader. You don't learn one useful thing until you read a technical book, whether in math, thermodynamics, statics, hydraulics, etc.
This service/information economy is like a fiat currency. Until a physical item is actually produced, true wealth does not increase...regardless of the Dow Jones.
I found this bit a week ago...
This article by Dr. Walid, a top scholar at the Islamic University, exposes our so-called secular Indian Muslims. By the doctrine of Al-Taqiyah, Muslims dominate crime syndicates, increase population by massive Bangladeshi infiltration and make temporary alliances with Dalits, Christians, etc.
In the early years of the Islamic conquest of the Arabian peninsula and in the Fatah (Arab-Islamic invasion and conquest of the upper Middle East and the outside world), a Muslim concept was devised to achieve success against the enemy (non Muslims), Al-Taqiyah. Al-Taqiyah, from the verb Ittaqu, means linguistically dodge the threat. Politically it means simulate whatever status you need in order to win the war against the enemy ...
According to Al-Taqiyah, Muslims were granted the Shar'iyee right (legitimacy) to infiltrate the Dar el-Harb (war zone), infiltrate the enemy's cities and forums and plant the seeds of discord and sedition. These agents were acting on behalf of the Muslim authority at war, and therefore were not considered as lying against or denouncing the tenants of Islam.
They were "legitimate" mujahedeen, whose mission was to undermine the enemy's resistance and level of mobilization. One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy's camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam ("Oh, I am not religious." "Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation." "Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.") In many instances, they convinced their targeted audiences that Jihad is not aimed at them, that indigenous people are not targeted. Meanwhile the (allegedly) "un Islamic" Muslims continued their attacks on the target's property and life (e.g. Lashkar-e Toyiba, Mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden's
declaration of war against innocent American civilians).
They convinced many Jews that they will be protected from Christians, and they convinced many Christians that Jews were the mortal enemies, because they killed Issa (Jesus). They convinced the Aramaics, Copts, and Hebrews that the enemy is Greece, and signed peace agreements with the Bysantines Greeks at the expense of Maronite Aramaics, etc.
They convinced the knitted diversity of India to degrade into civil war by introduction of a variant Buddhist / mystical Islam (Sufism which is decried as "deviant Islam" used to ease the transition of new recruits from local communities) creating divisions (based on Muslim - Non Muslim) eventually fomenting unrest and chaos in the land to prepare it for waves of armed Invasion (Mohammad bin Qasim, Mahmud Ghaznavi, etc.).
Even today, India is bitterly divided and getting slowly Islamised as battle lines form between hordes of overzealous Muslims (armed and trained in madrasahs) and the more pacifist civilians of urban dwellings.
This Jihadic agency of subversion was one of the most fascinating and efficient arms of the conquest. In less than four decades, the Middle East fell to the Arab-Islamic rule [since Arab society was divided again between pagan and Muslim resulting in nephews and sons killing their uncles and fathers in cold blood] followed by North Africa and Central Asia [this was the era of hordes like tribal conquests where barbaric savages invaded pacifist civilians in towns of major civilizations; the same scenario replayed itself against the Arab-Islamic world with the Invasion of the Mongolian hordes].
Al-Taqiyah was a formidable weapon, used by the first dynasties and strategists. Today, scholars may identify it as deception. But the Jihadic deception was and still is more powerful than the James Bondian methods of Western classical intelligence tactics, for the simple reason that it has a civilizational, global dimension versus the narrow State interest of the regular Western subversive
Al-Taqiyah is still in use today (and is widely practised and acknowledged by the Shi'ite sect) but not necessarily State-organized. Arab-Islamic missionaries are slowly converting the disillusioned criminal classes of the Western world by feeding them a Western "moderate" version of Islam (at the same time denouncing the actions of Muslims in the rest of the world as Un Islamic e.g. Taliban, GIA & FIA [Armed Islamic Front] of Algeria, Hamas, Lashkar -e Toyiba, Bin Laden and company, etc.)
It is done to prevent the new converts from seeing the real face of Islam; at least until their faith or mental conditioning is strong enough to make them turn against their own country and people.
A good example is the growing influence of Islamists in the Americas. On the one hand, American embassies, trade facilities, soldiers and intelligence infrastructures are under attack (but denounced as un-Islamic for the benefit of the new American converts).
On the other hand, the multiplying Islamic community (due to illegal immigration, paper marriages, religious visas granted to the religious men) attempts to pass itself off as "peace loving" and patriotic. In their own circles, the same community will liberally and violently denounce America, the West and its values (freedom, individualism, secularism, capitalism, scientific materialism, benign rehabilitation of criminals, prevention of cruelty against animals, women and gay rights).
One can easily detect Taqiyah in the two discourses used by Islamist strategists. On the one hand, one comprehensive Islamist theory is attempting to mobilize the Middle East, and sometimes Western Christian leaders and intellectuals, against "evil Jews".
They are forming alliances with everyone from Animal Rights' groups (to attack the Jewish tradition of slaughter which is ironically similar in cruelty to the Islamic way) to Far Right fundamentalists (to push for censorship of critiques of Islam and attack every forward thinking movement like women's rights and gay rights).
We see considerable success on that level. And on the other hand, another Islamist comprehensive theory is attempting - with success also - to mobilize the Jews against "evil and pagan Christians".
One can easily detect the sophisticated work of Taqiyah, for the strategic objective of Islamists is to destroy the foundations of the non Muslim civilizations, as a prelude to the defeat of an isolated Israel, India, United States of America, Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Egypt, Afghanistan, etc.
Taqiyah is not a unique phenomenon in history. Many strategists from all backgrounds implemented subversion. But the uniqueness of today's Taqiyah is its success within advanced and sophisticated societies. Taqiyah is winning massively because of the immense lack of knowledge among Western elites, both Jewish and Christian.
For interesting examples of Taqiyah methods, visit Christian discussion groups and forums and note the discourse of Islamist visitors aimed at undermining the Christian perception of Jews, and visit Jewish discussion groups and forums and note the subtle anti-Christian discourse of Islamist visitors. It is really informative and fascinating.
Um, read the ____ing article. Dalrymple is a conservative commentator and he's saying the same thing. Remember, these thugs imitate the black underclass of the US and Britain. This IS an economic and social issue.
It cuts way deeper than simple jihadism/West.
That's my point. On this issue too many people are just looking at the Islamic angle, but even at that protest where white French were attacked, it wasn't JUST Muslims but also West Africans that were among the attackers.
If anything, this situation mirrors some developments in American culture more than it mirrors the worldwide war against jihadism (though there is that element here, as well, making it even worse.)
Ping for later reading. It is a most illuminating article, indeed!
I say hold the handle down on the Eurabian toilet and let it flush,,,,,,,
One Consolation, Mexicans are Die Hard Catholics (95%+) and therefore members of Western Civilization, unlike the asiatics ravaging france.
That is quite true, and I'm quite glad of it. Nevertheless, many are here illegally, get paid in cash, pay no taxes, use services like schools and hospitals, and support a corrupt government in Mexico with the money they send home.
An exceptional percentage of Mexicans I have met are nice, hardworking people, and I wish them no ill will. However, their assimilation into the USA's brand of western civ could use some improvement.
Newsflash: this already happened. Thousands were killed. We have already figured it out, and we're fighting it in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Try not to cheapen their deaths by suggesting that we (or they) are still ignorant.
I just read this whole article out to the better half of little jeremiah.
I have no words to say.
Oh sure he is! And so are you if you think as superficially and as wishfully as he does.
You did hear about the unfortunate fun in the Underground a few months back, right? Little things...no big deal, right? Just a matter of "assimilation". Then all will be well...right?
Sweet dreams, dreamer.
Why not? He's both.
As for assimilation, there's no reason why West African immigrants couldn't have been assimilated as they often are here in the US
Assimilated to WHAT? Hip-Hop culture? What nut planet do you inhabit?
As folks be saying, you craaaazy, man.
It's an effective recruiting technique, isn't it? They got the whole Christian middle east in about a century this way back about 1300 years ago. Held on to it pretty much the whole time up until about a century ago.
They're just getting re-organized. When the enemy let them into his house, they realized he was weak and could be had.
Diehard Catholics? That's like saying the Soviet Union was diehard Russian Orthodox: They identify with elements of Catholic culture, but Mexico is very un-Christian, after being dominated for nearly a century by anti-clerical, communist-aligned Kleptocrats. It's about as Catholic as Boston.
The West Africans in France are mostly from French colonies in Senegal, etc. that are Slamic.
Mexico is Christian.
Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys.
"Assimilated to WHAT? Hip-Hop culture? What nut planet do you inhabit? "
Do you know many West African immigrants to the US or even met any? I'm sure there's a great number that find the 'hip hop' culture alluring, but the most articulate, intelligent and hard-working black men I've seen have been from West Africa (if one looks at it in as an aggregate.)
Did basics like this escape you? What is it you are trying to accomplish in this thread? You are making the Paris situation EXCLUSIVELY one thing when it is actually a combination of factors. This is not liberal-speak for excusing the behavior of the thugs that run "the Zone" but an explanation of why it is the way it is there and guys selling drugs and practicing psychopatholigical criminal behaviors and wearing 'hip hop' clothing is NOT an example of jihadism. If anything, you also missed Dalrymple's point about the allure of more militant Islam as a way of funneling that hatred into a more "meaningful" outlet, but that means there's a distinction between teh thug who is of Muslim ancestry and the one who takes it up as an alternative to normal underclass living.
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