The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris

City Journal ^ | Autumn 2002 | Theodore Dalrymple

[Alex Murphy]

The local police chiefs were paid by results—by the crime rates in their areas of jurisdiction. The last thing they wanted was for policemen to go around finding and recording crime.

Ping for later reading. It is a most illuminating article, indeed!

[crowman]

I say hold the handle down on the Eurabian toilet and let it flush,,,,,,,

[crowman]

Good thinking......

[The Cuban]

One Consolation, Mexicans are Die Hard Catholics (95%+) and therefore members of Western Civilization, unlike the asiatics ravaging france.

[308MBR]

That is quite true, and I'm quite glad of it. Nevertheless, many are here illegally, get paid in cash, pay no taxes, use services like schools and hospitals, and support a corrupt government in Mexico with the money they send home.

An exceptional percentage of Mexicans I have met are nice, hardworking people, and I wish them no ill will. However, their assimilation into the USA's brand of western civ could use some improvement.

[hedgetrimmer]

Long term results of global socialism.

The global socialists have been accomplishing the destabilization of western culture through what they call 'migration'. In fact this very topic will be hotly promoted in the next Doha Round of the WTO, as the African countries want the "free movement of persons" (the mode 4 rule) to be implemented. This means that Africans will be able to "migrate" freely into first world nations without penalty, to work,just like Mexican citizens come across our borders to do "jobs Americans won't do"^TM. It is globally sanctioned illegal immigration, the globalist "free traders" convinced France to allow it and they are in Argentina, working out deals with our president for this hemisphere.

[Windsong]

"I'm afraid that it will take a major terrorist event and hundreds of thousands of deaths before we figure that one out."

Newsflash: this already happened. Thousands were killed. We have already figured it out, and we're fighting it in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Try not to cheapen their deaths by suggesting that we (or they) are still ignorant.

We KNOW.

[Intolerant in NJ]

Judges often make remarks indicating their sympathy for the criminals they are trying (based upon the usual generalizations about how society, not the criminal, is to blame)...well, after all, it was the great French philosopher Rousseau who preached that it is society which ruins people, that if left alone the noble savage was really peaceful and full of good will - these judges are just celebrating the French heritage.....

[little jeremiah]

I just read this whole article out to the better half of little jeremiah.

I have no words to say.

BTTT.

[Regulator]

Well, I don't think the fool here is Dalrymple

Oh sure he is! And so are you if you think as superficially and as wishfully as he does.

You did hear about the unfortunate fun in the Underground a few months back, right? Little things...no big deal, right? Just a matter of "assimilation". Then all will be well...right?

Sweet dreams, dreamer.

[Regulator]

Don't EVER call Dalrymple a ninny or a fool

Why not? He's both.

As for assimilation, there's no reason why West African immigrants couldn't have been assimilated as they often are here in the US

Assimilated to WHAT? Hip-Hop culture? What nut planet do you inhabit?

As folks be saying, you craaaazy, man.

[Regulator]

You don't believe? DIE Infidel!! DIE!!

It's an effective recruiting technique, isn't it? They got the whole Christian middle east in about a century this way back about 1300 years ago. Held on to it pretty much the whole time up until about a century ago.

They're just getting re-organized. When the enemy let them into his house, they realized he was weak and could be had.

[dangus]

Diehard Catholics? That's like saying the Soviet Union was diehard Russian Orthodox: They identify with elements of Catholic culture, but Mexico is very un-Christian, after being dominated for nearly a century by anti-clerical, communist-aligned Kleptocrats. It's about as Catholic as Boston.

[montanus]

As for assimilation, there's no reason why West African immigrants couldn't have been assimilated as they often are here in the US

Assimilated to WHAT? Hip-Hop culture? What nut planet do you inhabit?

As folks be saying, you craaaazy, man.

The truth is that neither America or France have handled their black problem very well. Both nations imported millions of blacks for their labor, while denying them basic citizenship rights and refusing to integrate them into society. When their labor wasn't needed any more, both nations were left with millions of Africans who were helpless. With no real idea of how to integrate these people into Western culture, both France and the United States have just stacked them in massive housing complexes, away from the middle class people. We give them housing, food, and basic medical care so they don't all die. Liberals in both countries suffer white guilt and ignore the crimes they commit.

The lesson here, moving forward, is that we Americans have to decide what we are going to do with Mexican and Central American immigrants. We need them here to work, to maintain our standard of living. We also need them because they pay Social Security taxes but don't get Social Security benefits. But the truth is, we don't really want them (speaking as a nation).

We need to either seal our borders and keep Mexicans from coming in, or we need to make serious steps toward integrating them into our society. If we try to have it both ways, we are going to get burned just as we did with African slavery, and just as France is now getting burned.

[Cronos]

If it wasn't for us, Israel and Yugoslavia would not be loosing their war and the Christian Lebanese wouldn't suffer either

Quite correct

We need to let the Serbs and Israelies do their thing.

Yes, Kosovo IS Serbia, to ask them to give it up is like telling the Brits that London will be ceded to France, to tell the French that Paris will become part of the USA, to tell Mad Mo's followers that Mecca will belong to LAs Vegas.

[Cronos]

I'm afraid that it will take a major terrorist event and hundreds of thousands of deaths before we figure that one out.

I wonder if that will be enough. 9/11 should have been enough to create a coalition of the US, Europe, Russia, India, China, Australia, etc. against the slammie virus. But it didn't happen.

[Cronos]

The West Africans in France are mostly from French colonies in Senegal, etc. that are Slamic.

[Cronos]

Mexico is Christian.

[The Red Zone]

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys.

[Skywalk]

"Assimilated to WHAT? Hip-Hop culture? What nut planet do you inhabit? "

Do you know many West African immigrants to the US or even met any? I'm sure there's a great number that find the 'hip hop' culture alluring, but the most articulate, intelligent and hard-working black men I've seen have been from West Africa (if one looks at it in as an aggregate.)

Did basics like this escape you? What is it you are trying to accomplish in this thread? You are making the Paris situation EXCLUSIVELY one thing when it is actually a combination of factors. This is not liberal-speak for excusing the behavior of the thugs that run "the Zone" but an explanation of why it is the way it is there and guys selling drugs and practicing psychopatholigical criminal behaviors and wearing 'hip hop' clothing is NOT an example of jihadism. If anything, you also missed Dalrymple's point about the allure of more militant Islam as a way of funneling that hatred into a more "meaningful" outlet, but that means there's a distinction between teh thug who is of Muslim ancestry and the one who takes it up as an alternative to normal underclass living.