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Paris suburbs relatively calm after week of rioting by angry youth
CJAD ^ | November 3, 2005.

Posted on 11/03/2005 6:45:00 PM PST by Willie Green

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LE BLANC MESNIL, France (AP) - An uneasy calm fell over Paris's riot-hit suburbs early Friday after a week of unrest by gangs of youths shooting at police and firefighters, setting fires and attacking symbols of the French state.

Riot police were out in force with some 1,300 deployed across the low-income region of Seine-Saint-Denis northeast of the capital after Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin promised to restore order. Villepin postponed a visit to Canada this week to deal with the crisis..

Flames towered over a burning warehouse set afire in Le Blanc Mesnil late Thursday. Youths fired buckshot at riot police vehicles in Neuilly-sur-Marne, farther east and a group of 30 to 40 harassed police near a synagogue in Stains where a city bus was torched and a school classroom partially burned, said the top official of Seine-Saint-Denis, Prefect Jean-Francois Cordet.

LCI television reported 50 vehicles burned by early Friday - compared with some 300 the night before.

The sporadic incidents were a scaled-back version of the ferocious rioting that erupted eight days ago in Clichy-sous-Bois and spread across the troubled region of housing projects marked by soaring unemployment, delinquency and a sense of despair.

The unrest took a dangerous turn the day before with rioters shooting at police or firefighters in three towns, ignoring an appeal for calm by President Jacques Chirac.

Facing mounting pressure and criticism, Villepin said restoring order was his "absolute priority."

The unrest cast a cloud over the end of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month. In Clichy-sous-Bois, men filled the Bilal mosque for night prayer Thursday but streets were subdued and shops shut early.

"Look around you. How do you think we can celebrate?" said Abdallah Hammo as he closed the tea house where he works.

From an outburst of anger over the accidental deaths of two teenagers, the rioting has grown into a broader challenge against the French state. The violence has laid bare discontent simmering in suburbs where African and Muslim immigrants and their French-born children are trapped by poverty, unemployment, discrimination, crime and poor education and housing.

France's Muslim population, an estimated five million, is Western Europe's largest. But rather than being embraced as full and equal citizens, immigrants and their French-born children often complain of police harassment and of being refused jobs.

Despite the release Thursday of a preliminary investigation that appeared to exonerate police of any direct role in the teenagers' deaths, fear of unrest remained high.

The teenagers - Bouna Traore, 15, and Zyed Benna, 17 - were killed Oct. 27 while hiding from police in a power substation. Youths in their neighbourhood suspect police chased them to their deaths.

But the report, released by the Interior Ministry, said while police went to Clichy-sous-Bois to investigate a suspected intrusion on a building site, they did not chase the teenagers who were killed. A third teenager who was seriously injured told investigators they were aware of the dangers when they hid in the fenced-off substation, the report said.

It did not specifically address why the teens decided to run when police came to the neighbourhood. But it said Benna was known to police for having committed robbery with violence and that Traore was among those who trespassed on the building site.

Asked why the youths ran when police said they were not being chased, Benna's father said: "This is what they say. We want the truth to come out."

Amor Benna and the other teenagers' families filed a legal complaint to try and determine whether "a mistake was made by security forces. We want to know the circumstances that led to his death."

The suit was filed for "failure to assist a person in danger," a crime in France, said the families' lawyer, Jean-Pierre Mignard. It does not accuse specific individuals. The lawyer said the injured teen, Muttin Altun, 17, remained in hospital.

Official assurances police were not directly responsible for the deaths failed to stem unrest Wednesday night and early Thursday with incidents reported in at least 20 Paris-region towns. Government offices, a police station, a primary school and a college, a Clichy-sous-Bois fire station and a train station were among the buildings targeted.

Patrice Ribeiro, national secretary of the Synergie police officers union, said he suspected rioters aimed to turn their neighbourhoods into no-go zones for the French state so underground economies of drug-trafficking and racketeering can thrive.

Criminal gangs want "to stop police, all state representatives from coming and then, when calm returns, business goes well," he said.

Speaking at the Senate, the prime minister promised: "I will not accept organized gangs making the law in some neighbourhoods. I will not accept having crime networks and drug-trafficking profiting from disorder."

Four shots were fired at riot police and firefighters, without causing injuries, said Cordet, the Seine-Saint-Denis prefect. Nine people were injured in other unrest, officials said.

Traffic was halted Thursday morning on a suburban commuter line linking Paris to Charles de Gaulle airport after stone-throwing rioters attacked two trains. A female passenger was slightly injured by broken glass.

Police have arrested at least 143 people, said Interior Ministry Nicolas Sarkozy. Suburban residents and opposition politicians have accused him of fanning tension with tough police tactics and talk - including calling troublemakers "scum."

"Sarkozy's language has added oil to the fire. He should really weigh his words," said Mohammed Fawzi Kaci, an Algerian immigrant who saw his daughter's gym goes up in flames.

"I'm proud to live in France but this France disappoints me."


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; parisriots; riots
Anybody want to speculate why the Canadian Press is using a "calm" headline when all the other stories make it sound like it's getting worse?
1 posted on 11/03/2005 6:45:01 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

hahah they are reloading...


2 posted on 11/03/2005 6:46:00 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: Willie Green

Umm, how about this: They got the story wrong.


3 posted on 11/03/2005 6:46:26 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: Willie Green

"Anybody want to speculate why the Canadian Press is using a "calm" headline when all the other stories make it sound like it's getting worse?
"

Maybe they are afraid the ragheads there will get a "good idea"!


4 posted on 11/03/2005 6:48:05 PM PST by lawdude (Err Amerika induces "in-talk-sication".)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Maybe the media in Canada is trying to avoid encouraging Mulsim in Canada to do the same? That, or to avoid giving Quebec any ideas...


5 posted on 11/03/2005 6:48:12 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The welfare checks must come around the third or fourth of the month, I guess.

Here's hoping the postman delivers it to their work boots, where it will never be found.


6 posted on 11/03/2005 6:48:17 PM PST by 308MBR (The cornbread will be no better than the lard.)
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To: Willie Green

Must be due to calls to prayer and a Class V upload at the local mosques.


7 posted on 11/03/2005 6:48:34 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Willie Green
The teenagers - Bouna Traore, 15, and Zyed Benna, 17 - were killed Oct. 27 while hiding from police in a power substation. Youths in their neighbourhood suspect police chased them to their deaths.

Maybe now they will print "DANGER - HIGH VOLTAGE" signs in Arabic.

8 posted on 11/03/2005 6:49:27 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Willie Green

"Youths."

Nice euphemism for vicious thugs (who happen to be Muslims in this instance).


9 posted on 11/03/2005 6:50:31 PM PST by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: Disambiguator

How bout Roudy Lads?


10 posted on 11/03/2005 6:51:35 PM PST by outofhere2
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To: Willie Green

Headlines coming soon:

"De Villepin Asks for Global Peacekeepers Now"

"Chirac Remains on Vacation"

"France Seeks World Help"

"Governor of France Catherine la Blanc Remains in Seclusion"

"Paris Mayor Raymonde Naginne Screams Git Us Outta Here Now, You &^&*%&!"

"Americans Stingy With Aid to Paris"

"President Bush Slow with Military Aid to Paris"



12 posted on 11/03/2005 6:52:59 PM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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End of Ramadan. They can eat sweets now. Maybe it was just withdrawal symptoms after a month without sugar.


13 posted on 11/03/2005 6:53:16 PM PST by oolatec
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

Welcome to FReeRepublic.

Great name.


14 posted on 11/03/2005 6:53:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: oolatec

Oh, and the BBC has this... though it's in regards to Thursday night...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4405620.stm

The thing is... they haven't been rioting during the DAY... which is why I suspect this Canadian article is going for that angle... just wait till night time...


15 posted on 11/03/2005 6:55:15 PM PST by oolatec
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To: Disambiguator

Looks like the French chickens have come home to roost~!


16 posted on 11/03/2005 6:55:31 PM PST by dvan
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To: Willie Green

Cos its Canada and they don't want to upset their multicultural applecart. Canada doesn't have the problems (yet) Europe does, and the U.S. if it doesn't curtail its illegal immigration. Denmark and Sweden are having similar problems, but no one in Canada wants to talk about that, can't offend anyone. So far I've only seen it on the BBC world news and on line.

Over 10% of France is muslim and not integrated into society. They come from opressive and poor regimes, but hey, its all our fault cos we are racist, doncha know. Excellent article here written in 2003:

http://www.techcentralstation.com/082803M.html

As nearly every Western country absorbs a fast growing Muslim minority, every Westerner should look closely at France. A French failure to integrate Muslims could lead to a general European and Western failure. Those who don't believe in the clash of civilizations might at least see a clash between traditional Islamic values and Western republican values. This raises the question of the compatibility of Islam with secular democracy (separation of church and state) and human rights (especially the rights of women and of non-Muslims).
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Economics plays a major role in the "Muslim problem". The overwhelming poverty in Middle Eastern and North African countries, ruled for centuries by Islam, drives their populations to desperation. The Islamists, nostalgic for the glorious past of the Caliphates, place the blame for these conditions mainly on Westerners, rejecting the fact that the problem has its roots in the failure of their own societies. With one of the highest unemployment levels for youth among OECD countries, France is in a bad position to provide a model of integration.


17 posted on 11/03/2005 6:56:30 PM PST by scriblett
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To: Willie Green

"The unrest cast a cloud over the end of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month."

- Isn't it ironic that the religion of peace often chooses its own holy month to instigate violence?

Christmas is coming, I better get ready to riot and pillage. </sarc>


18 posted on 11/03/2005 6:56:55 PM PST by Frenetic
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To: oolatec

How many riots start at the end of a big holiday meal even when the weather is good? Ever heard of the big Thanksgiving riots?

Don't worry: the weekend is coming up.


19 posted on 11/03/2005 6:57:45 PM PST by oceanagirl
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To: Willie Green
An uneasy calm fell over Paris's riot-hit suburbs early Friday

They simply chose to file their report in the early dawn hours after another night of chaos. Every morning during this spree has been calm. The headline falls under the MSM "fake but accurate" exception to common sense.

20 posted on 11/03/2005 6:57:56 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: Army Air Corps
I know this isn't nice but I have to deal with a handful of the most sanctimonious, assinine Canadians you could imagine, so I apologize to any Canadian freepers in advance.

I long for the day this comes to Canada.

21 posted on 11/03/2005 6:58:44 PM PST by riri
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To: riri

"I know this isn't nice but I have to deal with a handful of the most sanctimonious, assinine Canadians you could imagine"

Where did you meet them? Location is important in Canada nowadays. 32millions people spread out on 2nd largest land mass.

" I long for the day this comes to Canada"

Just like how arabs and liberals said "America, you deserve it" on 9/11?

Do you wish this to come to California (Berkely)? How about region in the US that hate America.


22 posted on 11/03/2005 7:02:55 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: Flavius

...or planning something bigger, ala Madrid or NY 9/11/01.


23 posted on 11/03/2005 7:07:19 PM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

I don't want this stuff to spread to Canada. I'm only an hour east of Detroit where there are some pretty "exclusive" muslim neighborhoods.


24 posted on 11/03/2005 7:07:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: cripplecreek

I'm just trying to bring some sanity on this forum.


25 posted on 11/03/2005 7:09:01 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: Willie Green

I'm kinda rusty on my French. Is it "Les Infatada" or "La Infatada"?

RSVP-Tres Bien. Merci...


26 posted on 11/03/2005 7:09:11 PM PST by FDNYRHEROES (Liberals are not optimistic; they are delusional.)
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To: Willie Green
"Flames towered over a burning warehouse set afire in Le Blanc Mesnil late Thursday. Youths fired buckshot at riot police vehicles ... LCI television reported 50 vehicles burned by early Friday - compared with some 300 the night before."

Would the liberals call Iraq "calm" if 50 vehicles were on fire in Baghdad?!

27 posted on 11/03/2005 7:09:41 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: cripplecreek
I don't want this stuff to spread to Canada. I'm only an hour east of Detroit

With you on that one.  I'm about an hour north of Detroit and hope this doesn't spread to Canada or worse, Dearborn.

28 posted on 11/03/2005 7:11:58 PM PST by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Willie Green

"Paris suburbs relatively calm"

ha ha. that's because their "relatives" are waiting to jump in on the action.


29 posted on 11/03/2005 7:17:51 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("So far, so good. But this is only phase 1."--Captain America)
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To: Southack

Would the liberals call Iraq "calm" if 50 vehicles were on fire in Baghdad?!

No. One IED and two dead shiites and its a "failed policy"


30 posted on 11/03/2005 7:19:27 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("So far, so good. But this is only phase 1."--Captain America)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
" I long for the day this comes to Canada"

Just like how arabs and liberals said "America, you deserve it" on 9/11?

Good point and thanks. Some Freepers are getting too much joy out of this.

31 posted on 11/03/2005 7:40:19 PM PST by deltanine
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To: Willie Green
France's Muslim population, an estimated five million, is Western Europe's largest. But rather than being embraced as full and equal citizens, immigrants and their French-born children often complain of police harassment and of being refused jobs.

boo hoo -- convert toChristianity or Judaiism or even to Buddhism or Hinduism, anything but slam or else get out, go to ssaudia
32 posted on 11/03/2005 7:44:40 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit
Ping on that -- They don't assimilate ANYWHERE in Europe!

In holland, the Indo-Chinese and Surinamese assimilate pretty well with the native Dutch. In the UK, the Hindus and Christians from the Indian sub-continent aren't the ones causing the riots. The trouble-makers are the slammies. period.
33 posted on 11/03/2005 7:46:34 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: oolatec

They could eat sweets during R, in fact they feast after sunset each day (many put ON weight during the month).


34 posted on 11/03/2005 7:47:16 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Willie Green

It's relatively calm after seven nights of being relatively violent.


35 posted on 11/03/2005 7:53:15 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: outofhere2

YOBS


36 posted on 11/03/2005 8:01:29 PM PST by Ben Chad
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To: riri

I know this isn't nice but I have to deal with a handful of the most sanctimonious, assinine Canadians you could imagine, so I apologize to any Canadian freepers in advance.
I long for the day this comes to Canada.

The sooner the Muslims here start acting up, the easier they will be to deal with. In France, the fools should have waited until they were 30-40% of the population instead of 8%. They would have been unstoppable then. Now they are just a serious nuisance begging to be deported.


37 posted on 11/03/2005 8:24:44 PM PST by Free Dominoes
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To: lawdude

"Maybe they are afraid the ragheads there will get a "good idea"!

Oh....from your lips to God's ears.


38 posted on 11/03/2005 8:45:21 PM PST by no dems (43 muscles to smile, 17 to frown, two to pull a trigger; I'm lazy and tired of smiling.)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit
Since you're British, you should especially appreciate this nugget. I've been posting it on the Muslims-are-troublemakers threads, as it helps to give clarity to the issue.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property; either as a child, a wife, or a concubine; must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248 50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

39 posted on 11/03/2005 9:22:10 PM PST by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: riri

Riri, are you serious? Why would you wish death and destruction to thousands of innocent people? Just because of a handful of Canadian a-holes? What if a handful of American a-holes treated you bad -- would you want their families and communities to burn too?


40 posted on 11/04/2005 11:24:44 AM PST by Levante
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To: Levante
No, I don't wish death on anyone. But, a little property damage and some raised pulses would be OK.

I know it wasn't nice. But, these Canadians really, ugh, I just can't stand them.

41 posted on 11/04/2005 2:52:13 PM PST by riri
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