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Scientists prove blind people can 'see' with sixth sense
The Scotsman ^ | 1 Nov 2005 | Rhiannon Edward

Posted on 11/03/2005 9:59:54 PM PST by JRios1968

THE uncanny ability of blind people to "sense" unseen objects has been demonstrated for the first time in sighted volunteers whose vision was blanked out by scientists.

The findings suggest "blindsight", which has been observed in blind people whose eyes function normally but who have suffered damage to the brain's visual centre, is a real and not imagined phenomenon.

In tests, the blind have been able to distinguish basic shapes of objects they cannot see, as well as their orientation and direction of motion. On other occasions a blind person has reported experiencing a "feeling" that an object is present, while not being able to see it.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.scotsman.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blindness; neuroscience; persinger; sixthsense; tms
I don't think they refer to this:


1 posted on 11/03/2005 9:59:55 PM PST by JRios1968
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To: JRios1968

I always thought it was lame that they come up with the "5 senses" bs.
There's gotta be alot more than just 5. Sense of temperature, sense of balance, sense of time, sense of motion.


2 posted on 11/03/2005 10:04:48 PM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: JRios1968

"Scientists from the University of Houston in Texas, temporarily blinded a group of 12 volunteers by using an
electromagnetic field to shut down the primary visual cortex. "

Were these people nuts? do not try this at home!


3 posted on 11/03/2005 10:05:43 PM PST by seastay
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To: djf
There's gotta be alot more than just 5. Sense of temperature, sense of balance, sense of time, sense of motion.

"And sense of style!!!!"

4 posted on 11/03/2005 10:06:37 PM PST by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: seastay

I hope they paid them well...


5 posted on 11/03/2005 10:07:11 PM PST by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: seastay

I wouldn't take the chance that it was temporary. How'd they know it wouldn't be permanent? A blindfold could've done the job.


6 posted on 11/03/2005 10:08:05 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: JRios1968

It said they were volunteers! You couldn't pay me enough to do it that way.


7 posted on 11/03/2005 10:09:05 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: JRios1968

Third Eye Chakra Bump


8 posted on 11/03/2005 10:09:25 PM PST by Delta 21 (MKC USCG-ret)
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To: djf

I saw on tv awhile back a blind guy that does "echolocation" or whatever its called. He makes various cliking noises and hears the echoes. It was pretty amazing. Pointed to a tree 20' away, the camera's light reflector sheet ("broad thin material") and "a pole of some sort a few feet away" (light boom - 1 to 2" in dia). He teaches other deaf people how to do it (and they had them on the show too).


9 posted on 11/03/2005 10:11:15 PM PST by geopyg (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON! (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful))
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To: JRios1968

Sense of Fagdom? Hey, new word!


10 posted on 11/03/2005 10:12:31 PM PST by calrighty (C'mon troops, finish em off!!)
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To: JRios1968

There is so much we do not know.


11 posted on 11/03/2005 10:13:11 PM PST by Northern Alliance
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To: seastay
There's a mad scientist in Canada that does some crazy stuff with electromagnets to the brain. It manipulates all fields of consciences. Its called the "God helmet" because of the supernatural sensations that occur tot he subject.

And who thinks brainwashing isn't a science?
12 posted on 11/03/2005 10:13:35 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: geopyg

Wow! Real life bat Man.

I guess you can't really lump that in with hearing.

I mentioned time because it's really amazing, I don't have a fixed schedule.

But nine times out of ten, when I wake up, I know what time it is within about ten minutes.

The way I know if I really got a good sleep is if I wake up and don't have not the smallest clue what time it is.


13 posted on 11/03/2005 10:16:59 PM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: JRios1968
hmm maybe someone should tellthis asshalf about this story Blind Marksman Says Gun Permitting Too Lax
14 posted on 11/03/2005 10:17:33 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: JRios1968
The findings suggest "blindsight", which has been observed in blind people whose eyes function normally but who have suffered damage to the brain's visual centre, is a real and not imagined phenomenon.

I can "see" (no pun intended) some logic in this..if the eyes still process and can feed the info to brain but the brain's visual centre can't process it to normal sight you still might perceive some kind of non visual impression

Phantom feeling in an amputee is some time just a mirror echo of the remaining limb to the amputated side, kind of a brain crosstalk

15 posted on 11/03/2005 10:32:57 PM PST by tophat9000 ("Space for rent")
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To: Northern Alliance
There is plenty we do know.

It's called Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation and the military (DARPA) is all over it.
16 posted on 11/03/2005 10:39:42 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: djf

There's something like nine human senses. Touch, smell, sight, hearing, taste, nociception (pain), equilibrium, kinesthesia (location of your body parts), and temperature, IIRC.


18 posted on 11/03/2005 10:52:25 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: geopyg
"I saw on tv awhile back a blind guy that does "echolocation" or whatever its called"

I saw that too. Ben Afleck in Daredevil. His finest work.
19 posted on 11/03/2005 10:58:14 PM PST by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: geopyg

It's probably echo location going on. For instance, hi end headphone amplifiers have circuitry built in to produce the sound delay that comes from different location of speakers - i.e the time it takes for sound to get from one side of your head to the other. This allows more "head space" - the ability to note the location of instrument on the sound stage. I'm sure this same thing is going on when people have their eyes closed and ears open.


20 posted on 11/03/2005 11:03:06 PM PST by glorgau
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To: metmom

I'd trust the blindfold results better, too.


21 posted on 11/03/2005 11:21:06 PM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: glorgau

The research, published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences' (PNAS) online Early Edition

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0505332102v1


22 posted on 11/03/2005 11:24:14 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: metmom; The Red Zone

Want to find God?
http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,51699,00.html


23 posted on 11/03/2005 11:31:06 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: seastay

whatever happened to a blindfold?


24 posted on 11/03/2005 11:39:26 PM PST by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: endthematrix
The research, published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences' (PNAS) online Early Edition
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0505332102v1

Yo man, can you lend the $25 it takes to see this? ;-)

25 posted on 11/04/2005 12:27:12 AM PST by glorgau
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To: glorgau

Sleeping pills are cheaper...

I just wanted to put the reference info here.


26 posted on 11/04/2005 12:32:13 AM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: GeronL
Ans:A number of theories have been proposed to explain "blindsight". Generally, it is suggested that other parts of the brain besides the primary visual cortex respond to nerve messages from the eyes at an unconscious level. A blindfold would physically impede images before nerve messages could be sent.
27 posted on 11/04/2005 12:49:52 AM PST by monocle
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To: JRios1968

I don't think that this is new. There was a series on television where a famous British-Indian brain specialist (based at a uni in California somewhere) analysed the brain by showing the results of various forms of brain damage.

There was one person whose sight was disabled in a car accident. It wasn't his eyes that were damaged, but the part of his brain that dealt with vision. Even though he couldn't see any objects, he *could* detect motion, and could say, with 100% accuracy, in which direction an object in front of him was moving. They showed that there was a secondary part of the visual components of the brain, which processes these things subconsciously, and it was undamaged in this particular man.

It is this part of the brain which deals with reactions and what have you (the guy would blink if something were flicked near his eye). Really cool series: it was shown on Channel 4 in the UK about 5 years ago.

Andrew


28 posted on 11/04/2005 2:08:00 AM PST by Andy Ross (A Scot in Trondheim)
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To: endthematrix
It's called Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation and the military (DARPA) is all over it.

Thanks. Any good links - save me the trouble of poking around the web?

29 posted on 11/04/2005 2:14:58 AM PST by Northern Alliance
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To: JRios1968

Damn Grasshopper....

...we're gonna need a new scam!


30 posted on 11/04/2005 3:04:31 AM PST by The Duke
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To: monocle

This is amazing (brain-machine interface) stuff.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.09/vision.html

Progress In Artificial Vision
The Dobelle Institute's Artificial Eye allows the blind to see.

BY MARK CINA
Published on: June 27, 2002
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/medicine/1281076.html?page=2&c=y


31 posted on 11/04/2005 3:16:23 AM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: Northern Alliance

Sure. Most of the neuroscience and brain mapping withing universities are partly funded by DARPA. This is for the brain-machine interface program.

May 9, 2002
MUSC To Develop Brain Stimulation Device For Military

CHARLESTON, SC -- The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) announced today that it has awarded the Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC) a Phase I/II contract to develop a portable brain stimulation device for use by the military to alleviate the effects of sleep deprivation on soldiers' performance. The contract, entitled Creating a Man-portable Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation System (TMS) to Improve War-fighter Performance


See: Miguel Nicolelis from Duke University, North Carolina implanted about one hundred electrodes into brains of an owl monkey and used the recorded signals to muscles to control a robot arm.


32 posted on 11/04/2005 3:37:16 AM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: Andy Ross

I'd heard of blind people who could accurately detect flashes of light, too. The conclusion was much the same, that the visual part of seeing isn't all there is to what we call sight. Fascinating stuff.


33 posted on 11/04/2005 5:53:47 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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