Posted on 11/04/2005 3:24:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser
Family members are investigating what they consider to be suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of a nursing home patient at the center of a life and death tug-of-war reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo tragedy.
Seventy-nine-year-old Jimmy Chambers died in the early morning hours of Oct. 24 after the tracheotomy tubes that deliver oxygen from a ventilator to a hole in his neck became unhooked. Family members were told Chambers, a resident of the Anne Maria Rehabilitation and Nursing Center in North Augusta, S.C., apparently pulled the interlocking tubes apart.
"We're having it investigated. We're just incredulous," Chambers' daughter, Deanna Potter, told WND in reference to her siblings. "The last time I saw dad he was blowing me a kiss. I blew him one and he blew one back."
The retired dispatcher for Holland Motor Express died approximately 10 hours later. His death certificate indicates he died of "natural causes."
"Apparently, suffocation is a 'natural cause' when you're on a ventilator. We're contesting that," said Potter. "He suffocated. He didn't just pass away. He struggled and fought. And I'm just so angry."
Potter estimates it would have taken 10 to 14 minutes for her father, deprived of oxygen, to fall unconscious, and questions why the nursing home staff didn't come to his aid.
"The oxygen-saturation meter and his ventilator both would have had alarms going off. Four-thirty, five o'clock in the morning you'd think someone would hear this," she added. "That's the thing that really bothers me and makes me suspicious."
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That's one interpretation....I explained it 3 years ago on FR.
Now, how do we get Michael to confess?
How is it an argument against an intruder? Terri was afraid of Michael.
Off hand, I'd say you're straying from the topic.
Though his stories are riddled with holes,
Mike comes out on top in the polls.
A little lie here,
(with a crocodile tear)
He's adept at distorting men's souls.
Not afraid enough to go to her girl friend's house that night, alas.
Certainly not by giving him a new alibi!
The chances of opening a criminal investigation of Schiavo are remote. The chances of getting him to confess probably are little better. But one never knows what a guilty soul will do.
The main hope that I see to do so is to keep pressure on him, keep discussing -- and if possible, expanding -- the strong case against him. That case is primarily based on medical evidence, and it grew stronger when the "bulimia" myth went out the window in the coroner's report. Thus we have to keep asking the question, how DID she end up on the floor, nearly dead?
It is conceivable that one or more of his co-conspirators (Jodi, Brian and Joan Schiavo) might break their silence and accuse him. They are going to Hell for Michael -- unless they themselves come clean.
Here's new commentary re: the ACLU and Judge Greed.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kareiva/051215
Have a nice weekend. It's officially hot chocolate weather, or stronger stuff.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kareiva/051215
I agree that the pressure should be kept on him. One never knows when a guilty liar will "trip-up," big time.
Schiavo most likely put Terri in a carotid choke the night she collapsed.
Quote from the book "Silent Witness" (page 113): "Michael and Scott [Schiavo's brother] once had a physical fight in the Schindler's kitchen. Michael put Scott in a carotid choke hold, but Scott was able to get out of it, and the two wrestled on the floor."
Seems more likely it's giving him another way to be guilty.
Yes. Not afraid enough.
Michael Schiavo Turning Terri into Poster Child for Euthanasia
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1542120/posts.
LifeSiteNews ^ | 17 December 2005 | Judie Brown
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"He has just announced the formation of the Terri PAC, a political action committee founded to "restore personal freedoms and individual human rights." If you think this is a bit ridiculous, then you are sadly unaware of the immensity of the culture of death into which America is nearly fully immersed. "
*snip*
I'm still fascinated with the highly unusual injuries shown by the bone scan, namely, the compression fracture on her spine along with injuries to the back of adjacent ribs, and the bone bruise on her right thigh. That gives a picture of two blunt objects pushing against her back and leg with enormous force. It's hard to imagine what could apply such force at those two points but Michael's knees, pinning her down as he cut off her oxygen.
Note that those injuries cannot be attributed to resuscitation efforts, which sometimes injure ribs from the front but not from the back.
I do not think Terri "collapsed." I think she must have been wrestled to the floor.
> Seems more likely it's giving him another way to be guilty.
That's the whole dispute. Right now there is NO explanation for Terri's injuries and Michael has NO alibi. The baseless notion that there might have been a mystery intruder takes all the heat off. The message is: "somebody else did it."
That is all that the unwashed (including the press) will hear. You could show them Michael's signed, notarized contract for a Mafia hit on Terri. They would find a way to twist it into exoneration for him.
Another HUGE thing you give up with this "mystery intruder" is the story. We have pieced this together from many sources. We know that Michael and Terri had a raging fight that day, and we know why. We know that he has a violent temper and was fully capable of hurting Terri. We know that he has the profile of a jealous husband and controller, exactly the kind of man most prone to domestic violence (and we also know that DV is the most common cause of injury in young women). Michael's cruelties and denial of therapy to Terri later, during the years of her internment, fit the same pattern. And at the end of it, his triumphant boast on her tombstone -- "I kept my promise." You can just hear the rest of it sotto voce -- "I told you I'd kill you, b*tch!" This is a man for whom no kindness to Terri was too small to refuse; a man who held a bitter grudge all those years; the man who DID kill Terri.
That whole story -- you could call it the historical record -- is mooted by the baseless notion of a mystery assailant.
What do we get in return? An alibi, free of charge, for a man who doesn't have one: "Somebody else did it."
If you want to go that way, FIRST find facts to support the theory. Otherwise it's a fairy tale, and imo, a destructive one.
And the beat goes on.......from Fredericksburg, The Freelance Star
We can't kill our way to justice
And this.....from Lima Ohio:
Katrina chaos, pope's death likely top '05 stories
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Michael Schiavo Turning Terri into Poster Child for Euthanasia
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Countering the Myth of the Perfect Child (Bioethics Alert!)
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IIRC, wasn't the Pope's "LAST statement to the WORLD" about the evilness in denying Terri water?
That is what I remember coupled with the timing of his passing just then.
Scroll down at www.northcountrygazette.org.
EXCERPT ONLY: Attorney Questions If Law Firms Exempt From Prosecution?
TALLAHASSEE, FLA---Are Florida law firms exempt from investigation and prosecution under Florida's Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act?
Judge Greer is/was a shareholder. Judge Greer has to defend his sorry reputation the rest of his life. They cannot bring Terri back. They murdered her.
Greer is A LAWBREAKER in addition to being cold and evil.
He signs the orders so that lawyers and realtors can take money and property from wards (before the family members arrive here to find out what's happened to their relative).
You don't want to be alone in Pinellas County. They will prey upon you. Remember J. Greer would not allow State Auditor Melton to audit the books for wards of Pinellas Cty. THE AUDACITY! It is a dictatorship. I like to call him the blind sheik.
CBS edited the Pope's dying words
WOW! Didn't know that, FV. So CBS thinks if the truth hurts (greer), we'll just make it disappear.
Thank God, God's Word always was, always will be and will always remain the same - He ain't changing HIS LAWS for anyone, even one that poses as a judge.
A Vatican cardinal denounced the death Thursday of Terri Schiavo, saying removing the feeding tube that was keeping her alive was "an attack against God."
Portuguese Cardinal Jose Saraiva Martins, head of the Vatican's office for sainthood, told reporters that "an attack against life is an attack against God, who is the author of life."
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by Loredana Vuoto
Posted Apr 4, 2005
Pope John Paul II, one of the most revered popes in history, died Saturday. He was 84.
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. . .[The Pope] most recently denounced the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.
Yep, and it always will be that way.
http://www.skagitvalleyherald.com/articles/2005/12/17/religion/religion01.txt
Now, let the doubters tell us again that she didn't deserve to live. Someone says or types Terri's name thousands of times per day.
Her life and death has upset America's apple cart not because of anything she did but because of what powerful men were willing to do for her husband.
what powerful men were willing to do for her husband.
Exactly. He couldn't have done it w/o the death cult. His guardianship would have been revoked for starters, years ago.
Faith and consequences - What Terri's Law cost the Republicans in Congress
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Awwwww geeee.....
But the peace movement in the U.S. remains small. Why?
One thing that has prevented the peace movement in America is the media. I spoke with 5,000 people in North Carolina on March 19, 2005, and the press called the protest "insignificant." They covered the Terri Schiavo case instead.
She merely told her friend that she'd be awake. She may have changed her mind, or more likely, just nodded off. That would be perfectly normal. This was the middle of the night, after all. Indeed, it was probably several hours before Michael got home -- the more reason to think she just fell asleep. No new story needed here.
How she got out to the hall is unknown. One obvious possibility is that Michael, nursing his grievances from their fight and coming home in a rage, dragged her out of bed. Or, he may have waked her up and carried on the argument until she said, "Michael, leave me alone, I'm going to sleep on the couch," and he followed her.
Thanks for those references.
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Terri will never be forgotten and evidently, it's not just a few who know this to be self evident.
HINO's picture is NOT in the Parade magazine. He will be featured in the worst husbands of all time issue.
Terri deserved to live, not just get top placement in a photo montage.
The mystery intruder was a society run amok. We clearly know that now. Revisiting this, it was truly SCHIAVO-GATE.
Being a "Florida Voter," you have certainly heard of the young man from Florida, Gordon Watts, who lost his bid to save Terri Schiavo's life by a slim 4-3 margin in our State's High Court, right? The relevance of this "story-not-covered-by-WND" is the fact that even the Governor, Jeb Bush, going before the self-same court on the self-same issue (e.g., Terri Schiavo) lost *his* bid by a 7-0 margin slam dunk.
See the Court's official website's comparison between Watts and Jeb Bush:
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/clerk/disposition/2004/10/04-925reh.pdf (Bush loses before Florida's High Court:
Rehearing denied 7-0 in case number SC04-925) http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/clerk/disposition/2005/2/03-2420reh.pdf (Watts loses before Florida's High Court: Rehearing denied 4-3 in case number SC03-2420)
FV SAYS: All of Terri's supporters are important. However, Gordon Watts filed lawsuits to try to save her. The mystery intruder behind SCHIAVO-GATE: OUR GOVERNMENT fighting the culture of death overseas while embracing it in Florida.
PLEASE lobby federal and state govts. to change the laws since criminal judges are allowed to stay on the bench to continue making death.
www.judgegeorgegreer.com
The major criticism I have is that they called it a "right to die" issue. They also failed to mention that Terri is indeed deceased. That's the media for you. The liberals must fight the real conservatives and their argument goes away if too many people find out that Terri's not living.
Have you ever heard a liberal or a democrat besides Michael Schiavo or the ACLU mention that Terri died on March 31st? Of course not. They can't go about attacking the GOP if the GOP didn't actually save her. But, they're going to do it in 2006 anyhow.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47940
When Terri's supporters were declared insurgents by J. Greer, I saw how the media reported what the swamp judge told them to. Different administration but same tactics. Remember that Judge Greer is a Republican. It makes me sick.
Here are some excerpts:
In his own spiritual life, Cruise has continued to climb the "Bridge to Total Freedom," Scientology's path to enlightenment. International Scientology News, a church magazine, reported last year that the actor had embarked on one of the highest levels of training, "OT VII" — for Operating Thetan VII.
At these higher levels — and at a potential cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars — Scientologists learn Hubbard's secret theory of human suffering, which he traces to a galactic battle waged 75 million years ago by an evil tyrant named Xenu.
According to court documents made public by The Times in the 1980s, Hubbard espoused the belief that Xenu captured the souls, or thetans, of enemies and electronically implanted false concepts in them to keep them confused about his dirty work. The goal of these advanced courses is to become aware of the trauma and free of its effects.
At Cruise's high level of training, ex-members say, devotees also are charged with actively spreading the organization's less secretive beliefs and advancing its crusades, including Hubbard's deep disdain for psychiatry, a profession that once dismissed his teachings as quackery.
At Inland Base, Scientologists Trained Top Gun
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IMHO, those teachings are still quackery. However, I am not a psychiatrist, nor do I play one on TV, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
From your link....
Former members say they were told the mansion was built for Hubbard's return.
"The whole theory of that house was that before Hubbard died in 1986, David Miscavige told us, Hubbard told him he was going to come back and make himself visible within 13 years," Schless Pressley said.
Gee, maybe they forgot to bury him with a calendar watch - he's at least 6 years late! What a bunch of clueless saps! Some spent 20 to 30 years before they woke up! What a rude awakening.
Yes, but the GOP is too cowardly and fearful to defend itself, but how can the party defend its inertia in refusing to save Terri?
Plenty to research if anyone is interested.
Well, Tom Cruise, who are you guys? Your compatriots came so close to us with unfriendliness at Pinellas Park, that it piques some curiousity. Google search finds some startling descriptions. Like this:
Or maybe something like this?
Maybe this??
Oh, yes, when will we be able to see the image of L. Ron Hubbard returned from the grave or whatever and do we really want to?
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Ping to above.
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