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Did 'revoked' living willkill communicative man?
WorldNetDaily ^ | November 4, 2005 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 11/04/2005 3:24:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser

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To: tutstar

people and beasts do change. Look at schiavo. He was big on the republican party when they were assisting him but now he's endorsing democrats. I think the aclu is probably bankrolling HINO.


101 posted on 11/07/2005 10:16:18 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: floriduh voter

Is this a real grave marker, or something someone designed?


102 posted on 11/07/2005 10:23:14 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Theodore R.; 8mmMauser
That's Terri's marker, Teddy. Schiavo in big letters. Her name in smaller letters. "I kept my promise." (promise to the devil).

From the New York Times, a liberal writes a book about Terri. (he takes time to bash Delay, et al too).

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/06/books/review/06saletan.html

103 posted on 11/07/2005 10:25:38 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: Halls; Dante3
Big Governor's race vote tomorrow in Virginia. KILGORE is the good guy and KAINE has HINO's endorsement.

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/pauljacob/2005/11/06/174484.html

Ironically, the democrat who HINO supports is against capital punishment but wouldn't intervene if an innocent were being abused or murdered. I wonder which way Virginians will go? If they want to be a starvation state like Florida, Kaine's victory would lead them there.

www.jerrykilgore.com

GO JERRY!

104 posted on 11/07/2005 10:32:28 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: brytlea
I've witnessed patients pulling their tubes apart a zillion times.....especially the oxygen....who knows if all of them do it on purpose so they can die quietly but SOME DO......

in reguards to your NH comments....of course, strangers are not going to have the love that YOU have.....

but give NH employees a break, will Ya?...they don't have fancy unions or civil service contracts to protect them and give them fat pensions....its almost sinful what people expect "strangers" to do for the pittance they receive and absolutley little or no security in a job, let alone a future.....

my mother took care of her mother who was dying of cancer....my mom had 6 kids and my dad made poor money......but I have preserved my grandmothers prescence in my mind til this day .....so I know its doable to take in your beloved ....

105 posted on 11/07/2005 10:33:34 AM PST by cherry
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To: brytlea
it might surprise some people how absolutely devoted men can be to their elderly sickly wives.....doing everything for them from wiping their behinds to combing their hair.....

that's love and devotion for ya......wonder if the younger generations will ever know it....

106 posted on 11/07/2005 10:36:27 AM PST by cherry
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To: Semper Paratus
there has been a huge drive in the last several years for pain relief...every hospital and I imagine nursing home is under the gun to adequately keep patients pain free, and its done thru extensive and riduclous time consming record keeping...

if the state regulators or Joint commission finds evidence anywhere in the chart where pain went untreated, its a problem, and even if its only the family members saying the patient is in "pain" and what you see is a person sleeping you still have to act in someway....

you can't win in this game....

we do have lots of "loving" family members who think that reality is like ER and that death is supposed to be pretty....

its not.....

we have those family members who DEMAND that we give more narcotic because its just so hard to sit there waiting for death ...what they mean is its too hard on THEM.....

then we get the divided families argueing over their parent in front of them......

what passes for love, I tell ya......

as far as "drugging" up patients....is not ethical nor legal from my understanding to chemically restrain anyone unless there is thorough documentation that there is a need for it and the family and doctor all are in agreement...especially if the patient poses a risk to himself or others....

you see, NH's aren't supposed to be using physical restraints anymore, so their options are very narrow.....people will sue no matter what happens.....

until the public and society understands that death is a natural and NECESSARY part of our world then we get these constant conflicts....

I wish people would stop bitching about nursing homes or hospitals or the like because the alternative is there for YOU to care for your loved one at YOUR house.....

we all know that the kind of devotion is just not there in 2005 in the good ol USA....we talk a big line but when it comes right down to it, most people will be ditching their parents in NH's no matter what.......sad...

107 posted on 11/07/2005 10:49:28 AM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

I saw my mother-in-law in a nursing several years ago in Florida and she got good care and her husband visited her twice a day. But then I saw and heard about patients there with extended family who were lucky to have any visitors once a year. The 'disposable' elderly attitude a lot of Americans have sickens me more than almost any other issue.


108 posted on 11/07/2005 10:55:16 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: 8mmMauser

BTTT! Be back later.


109 posted on 11/07/2005 10:58:27 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
"Every hospital and health care facility regularly brings living wills and advance directives forms forward and puts pressure on the patient to sign them."

in my state, its MANDATED that you ask the patient if he has a living will or similar, there is no requiremnt that he have one nor is it required that he sign up "quick"......

maybe you have heard of families suing because daddy or mommy was resuscitated even though there was a "living will" at home in the safe deposit box.....

the lawyers and the courts have made it impossible .....

Geez....we have one state that voted to allow people to commit suicide by doctor, and we have families mad because dad's living will was fulfilled and mad when dad's living will was not fulfilled.......

there is no way to do the "right" thing in today's climate....

110 posted on 11/07/2005 11:06:33 AM PST by cherry
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To: floriduh voter

if you are a family member, you can obtain information with the patients okay of course to review all medications with the nurse or the doctor......there is no secrecy .....maybe a little more sincere inquisition on behalf of your loved ones would be more productive than just making blanket putdowns on every doctor, nurse, therapist or aides in a hospital....


111 posted on 11/07/2005 11:12:04 AM PST by cherry
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To: nickcarraway
The resolution of the Terri Schiavo case meant "open season" on those who can't fight for themselves.

Have you noticed how unconcerned and callous your fellow Americans (not to mention the Europeans)have become toward the elderly infirmed? Oh, they want to vote for politicians who promise "compassion," but their definition of compassion is "I get my way and to hell with anyone standing in my way!"

112 posted on 11/07/2005 11:17:52 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: cherry

I'm sorry that my post made you angry. There are certainly good people working in nursing homes. However, it's not possible for me to discern the difference without some sort of in depth vetting process that can't be done. They are in fact, strangers to me and my loved one. They may be wonderful caring strangers, or they may be the other type. For that reason, I would choose any avenue other than nursing home care if at all possible.

susie


113 posted on 11/07/2005 11:21:37 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracty theorist....really.)
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To: floriduh voter
Send in the clowns(Not!)

Do the hospices like Woodside which did in Terri really want to identify themselves with clowns? Here are some snippets from The Miami Herald:

But the dissenting artists say the mass-produced figurines are overly commercial and hackneyed. Sarasota's plan is made worse, they believe, because the figures in question would be clowns, which they say would cheapen a city that bills itself as the ``cultural coast.''

Plus, they noted, there are children and adults who harbor coulrophobia -- a serious fear of clowns.

''The clown phobia thing is huge, I had no idea. There are people who just plum hate the images of clowns,'' said Virginia Hoffman, a sculptor and chair of Sarasota's Public Art Committee. ``I'm concerned about fallout. What if there are protests by clowns haters, or people who want to vandalize clown statues?''

Don't send in the clowns

8mm

114 posted on 11/07/2005 11:51:28 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Jim Noble

I guess I misread what you said. I plan on having my bf as emergency DPOA, because my aunt lives in Maine. The doctor I mentioned is someone I can trust to consult in my treatment.


115 posted on 11/07/2005 12:35:07 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: floriduh voter

2.29 is great! Jeff is filling up the tank, and I'll ask him how much he paid when he gets home.


116 posted on 11/07/2005 12:45:20 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: floriduh voter; Theodore R.; All

Anyone ever notice that it mentions Terri being a beloved wife only? Nothing about being a beloved daughter, sister, or aunt. I guess I was so mortified by the other stuff Michael put on there that I didn't catch that the first dozen times I'd looked at it.


117 posted on 11/07/2005 1:41:20 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: cherry
there is no way to do the "right" thing in today's climate....

That's why I'm saying living wills are far more dangerous than they are helpful. They cloud the issues more than they solve them.

My family is lucky that Dad showed us from his own example. He was totally against them. Whether it was mandated or not isn't the issue about the health care workers asking him. They positively harassed him about them. I'm not suggesting that this happens every time, but when my Dad was adament, he meant what he said, and those people just didn't get it.

I'm sorry if this offends you, but that's the way it was for us.

118 posted on 11/07/2005 1:56:21 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: cherry
This thread is about lame medical providers, not good ones. We are discussing forced exits here. By the way, Terri's blood relatives were denied access to her medical records many, many times, including recent years. Your claim that records on meds are available doesn't apply in floriduh.

I've heard the horror stories about people hurredly taking their loved ones out of hospice woodside after their condition worsened in a short time.

Someone should write a book about "Our Escape from Judge Greer's Hospice". www.judgegeorgegreer.com (dirt on Judge Greer and there are other sites dedicated to the proposition that JUDGE GREER SHOULD BE INDICTED for running a death care system in Pinellas Cty. Robbing and then killing the ward. No blanket, just the truth, cherry.

119 posted on 11/07/2005 2:21:57 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: Ohioan from Florida

120 posted on 11/07/2005 2:22:53 PM PST by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: BykrBayb; Sun; All; 8mmMauser

Ping. Judge Greer should be indicted, the sooner the better. He's a totally corrupt, gutless wonder disguised as a republican. See my last - title for a new book I wish someone would write. Until then, remember June Maxam's book will be out before Christmas. www.northcountrygazette.org. (it's going to be an expose')


121 posted on 11/07/2005 2:30:07 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: Theodore R.
The Europeans are going to have their hands full as their towns are being torched, street by street. They are losing control because of their policies of the past. The first death in the uprising (not riots) was a 61 year old man. These so called youth who say they want jobs are arsonists and killers.

Over-immigration is going to be costly in human terms over there. On the other hand, in the U.S., the courts are doing the looting & sniping for greedy lawyers. That too, is costly in human terms.

Does GEICO insure cars in Europe? If they do, imagine them having to go out on an estimate. Hope they send MY ADJUSTER.

122 posted on 11/07/2005 2:37:48 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: amdgmary; 8mmMauser

CORRECTION: GEICO uses appraisors for property damage estimates. If I don't make this correction, trolls will turn this thread into a thesis on auto policies.


123 posted on 11/07/2005 2:41:47 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: 8mmMauser

clowns and hospice, even better together than hershey's and reeses. "chocolate in my peanut butter."


124 posted on 11/07/2005 2:43:58 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: floriduh voter

I made it through college thanks to Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Cost a nickle.


125 posted on 11/07/2005 2:48:38 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Another endorsement of Jerry Kilgore for Governor of Virginia. (HINO endorsed Kaine-D

http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128767998898&path=!news!opinion

126 posted on 11/07/2005 2:49:09 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: 8mmMauser
From North Country Gazette, Charlie Crist blind to FLORIDA'S CULTURE OF CORRUPTION

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/

127 posted on 11/07/2005 2:53:18 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: Ohioan from Florida; All; tutstar; cyn
Dirty Laundry Chat Thread going until the Sept. 2006 election and will update periodically: Fla AG Crist, former Pinellas Cty Sheriff Rice and other corrupt politicians.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1501884/posts

128 posted on 11/07/2005 2:56:25 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.tg2006.com Tom Gallagher (R) for Fla Governor (Fla's Only Pro-Life Candidate))
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To: brytlea; cherry

We saw similar in facilities for handicapped/severely retarded kids. We would find some fine staff who truly loved and cherished the kids, others more indifferent and a few truly hard and cruel. But what kept us on our toes were the unseen, the bureaucrats setting policies and who knew what else.

Our decision was to stay away and take all responsibility ourselves. The potential gain was not worth the risk.

8mm


129 posted on 11/07/2005 2:57:00 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; presently no screen name; Abby4116; Alissa; ..
The Death Merchants have been dealt a blow of rejection.

Some just don't have that "je ne sais quoi". Michael Schiavo struck out this time in his thirst for being the big Mr. Death.

WorldNetDaily tells it, through Diana Lynne.

Excerpts

If reaction from television-viewing neighbors is a reliable indicator of his future success in the political arena, Michael Schiavo may want to rethink his plans.

News of the Clearwater, Fla., resident's endorsement of Virginia Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine in that state's gubernatorial election prompted a chorus of criticism.

"Who cares what this man thinks? He legally starved his wife to death. Why does his opinion matter to anyone?" was the response posted by W. D. Patton on BayNews9's online Viewer Center message board. Patton's sentiment strikes a common chord among the 26 messages posted as of this writing.

political foray panned

8mm


130 posted on 11/08/2005 3:33:52 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
It may appear a bit off topic but the subtle connection is there:

They march in socialist lockstep with the death dealers we see.

The Threats Schools Pose To Property Rights

8mm

131 posted on 11/08/2005 3:44:37 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: The in-law; kalintabby; old424

Ping to our recent posts:

8mm


132 posted on 11/08/2005 3:52:19 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: floriduh voter

Comments about Schiavo's endorsement of Tim Kaine.

"When did this guy become politically relevant? Mike, you had the right to want your own life. Your wife died long before the plug was pulled and due to insurance policy requirements you could not simply divorce her near-dead carcass and marry your next love. But now you've had your 15 minutes it is time to slink quietly back into obscurity."

"[Who] gives a flying crap what or who this guy thinks should run for what?"

"Who gives a rat's a-- what this guy thinks or who he likes politically. His 15 minutes are up. Maybe he should hook up with wacko Cindy Sheehan."

"Who cares who Michael Schiavo is going to vote for ... call me crazy, but he's no one special."

"This SOB is going to get rich one way or another off of his wife's death. Movies, book deals. ... I am sick of this CREEP getting attention for killing his wife!"

"Where did you get the idea that Michael Schiavo is newsworthy, or that his opinions are important enough to warrant even a blurb? He should sink back into the nothingness he was before the Terri Schiavo case."

World Net Daily

133 posted on 11/08/2005 4:14:56 AM PST by amdgmary (www.blogsforterri.com and www.terrisfight.org)
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To: 8mmMauser
The connection is very real. Justice for Florida's Seniors has more info than probably anyone wants to acknowledge. They are getting stories from all over the nation. Don't forget that the man who wrote that one of the auditors for Pinellas County guardianship accounts, Robert Melton, wrote 10 Dirty Guardianship Tricks.
134 posted on 11/08/2005 4:37:00 AM PST by tutstar (OurFlorida.true.ws)
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To: floriduh voter

I still don't know why he would bother endorsing a candidate in VA, when he is a resident of FL.


135 posted on 11/08/2005 7:19:25 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: 8mmMauser

People's general opinion of Michael Schiavo is not a good one. I don't think he realizes that.


136 posted on 11/08/2005 7:30:02 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I don't think he is capable of realizing that.

A mind bloated, corrupted, polluted with the glee of a successful murder can blind a guy to reality.

8mm


137 posted on 11/08/2005 7:53:31 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Hubris, with a good dose of narcissism and psychopathy. Hey, maybe he has the stuff for running as a Dem???


138 posted on 11/08/2005 8:02:14 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: floriduh voter

"June Maxam's book will be out before Christmas. www.northcountrygazette.org. (it's going to be an expose')"

Looking forward to that book coming out.


139 posted on 11/08/2005 8:10:16 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: tutstar

Bumping this informative post.


140 posted on 11/08/2005 10:44:27 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; presently no screen name; Abby4116; Alissa; ..
BykrBayb opened a thread on this forum about to open in the heart of the area where they committed the atrocity on Terri Schindler Schiavo. This is the same area where infamous hospice sponsored the sinister deed and is a good indication of what may emerge. Anyone from the St. Pete area may have a powerful interest in attending.

End-of-Life forum to be presented at SPC Seminole Campus

Here is some of the handiwork not of Dr. Josef Mengele of Hitler's Germany, but happening right in Florida right in Greer country now.

This is an abstract of an experiment performed on humans by David A. Weiland, MD and others. All of the subjects of the experiment had a multitude of adverse reactions. The experimenters wrote it off as an allergic reaction.

Experiments

Hana Osman, Ph. D. biography. Her primary specialty is getting people to sign away their right to life. Her secondary specialty is experimenting on them.

Hana Osman's Bio

8mm


141 posted on 11/09/2005 4:03:07 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: floriduh voter; BykrBayb; DadsGirl; dixie sass; TheSecondSon; The in-law; kalintabby; old424
From The State.com, South Carolina's Home Page:

Living wills, anyone??

PHILADELPHIA - After three decades of urging Americans to write living wills, many doctors, lawyers and ethicists concede that these documents have largely failed.

The problems are many: Most people don't complete living wills. When they do, too often the paper isn't available when decisions about life support must be made.

Living wills, intended to assure that patients' wishes are honored when they can't speak for themselves, rarely address the actual situations that arise. And many people don't really know in advance what treatments they would or wouldn't want.

"The 30 years of literature on living wills has shown very disappointing results," said Charles Sabatino, assistant director of the American Bar Association's Commission on Law and Aging. "The shortcomings of living wills are real. Dying is just too complicated."

A blistering indictment of living wills appeared last year in the Hastings Center Report, a well-known bioethics journal.

It began: "Enough. The living will has failed and it's time to say so."

More on Living Wills

8mm

142 posted on 11/09/2005 4:15:48 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Do these people in North Platt, NE "get it"?

"Our role as attorneys is to help explain so people understand they have options," McCarthy said.

"In my opinion, taking care of this is a very nice gift to give to your family," McCarthy said. "If your family knows what you want, it makes something very hard a little easier."

Today, ethics committee members will be available to answer questions about the right to privacy. Sessions will be held from 9-11 a.m. and 1-3 p.m. at GPRMC. Thursday, the topic will be patient rights, and at three 3 p.m. there will be a presentation on topics related to ethics in health care.

Your right not to remain silent

8mm

143 posted on 11/09/2005 4:28:15 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: BykrBayb
Echoing your thread from post #141, here is Mary Tittle, PhD, RN biography

Mary Tittle

8mm

144 posted on 11/09/2005 4:33:46 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: tutstar
From BykrBayb's thread, see post #141, This is HANA OSMAN, wishing also to implant her creative ideas in St. Pete area heads.

Does dad need a nudge on planning?

8mm

145 posted on 11/09/2005 5:17:59 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; BykrBayb
Development of pulmonary infiltrates, cardiomyopathy, and eosinophilia may have occurred independent of zafirlukast use or may have resulted from an allergic response to this medication. We suspect that these patients may have had a primary eosinophilic infiltrative disorder that had been clinically recognized as asthma, was quelled by steroid treatment, and was unmasked following corticosteroid withdrawal facilitated by zafirlukast.

What the heck is eosinophilia? It sounds like these people volunteered to be guinea pigs to test a new drug. Hope they got paid a lot of money.

Dr. Osman sounds like a little ray of sunshine. Imagine the conversation at the dinner table when she's there. What ever you do, don't choke on your food around her.

146 posted on 11/09/2005 8:33:56 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: 8mmMauser
"In my opinion, taking care of this is a very nice gift to give to your family," McCarthy said. "If your family knows what you want, it makes something very hard a little easier."

And sure does help get one off the hook if there's any questions concerning that nice gift of a hefty life insurance. /s

147 posted on 11/09/2005 2:55:28 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: 8mmMauser; floriduh voter

Stupid Comments by Al Franken

He [Al Franken] skewers Republican leader Tom DeLay for saying proper medical care might have revived Schiavo as she remained in a vegetative state while politicians debated her fate.

"In other words, given proper treatment, there was no reason Terri Schiavo couldn't live out her lifelong dream of being a Rockette," Franken quipped.

Comedian Al Franken gets serious about politics

148 posted on 11/09/2005 4:13:43 PM PST by amdgmary (www.blogsforterri.com and www.terrisfight.org)
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To: amdgmary

Franken typifies the moronic reasoning of the far left, so enamored with supporting the cults of death they see humor in the suffering.

If this hero of Err Amerika can see humor in such a tragedy, he sees not his own evil.

8mm


149 posted on 11/09/2005 10:25:40 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

8MM, this makes my skin crawl. I was just a few miles from North Platte, in St. Paul, NE on the 8th, burying my Dad. Wish I had known about this, I would've shown up for it.


150 posted on 11/10/2005 2:36:46 AM PST by DadsGirl ("Come to Me all who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest." Jesus Christ)
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