Skip to comments.Did 'revoked' living willkill communicative man?
Posted on 11/04/2005 3:24:09 AM PST by 8mmMauser
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people and beasts do change. Look at schiavo. He was big on the republican party when they were assisting him but now he's endorsing democrats. I think the aclu is probably bankrolling HINO.
Is this a real grave marker, or something someone designed?
From the New York Times, a liberal writes a book about Terri. (he takes time to bash Delay, et al too).
Ironically, the democrat who HINO supports is against capital punishment but wouldn't intervene if an innocent were being abused or murdered. I wonder which way Virginians will go? If they want to be a starvation state like Florida, Kaine's victory would lead them there.
in reguards to your NH comments....of course, strangers are not going to have the love that YOU have.....
but give NH employees a break, will Ya?...they don't have fancy unions or civil service contracts to protect them and give them fat pensions....its almost sinful what people expect "strangers" to do for the pittance they receive and absolutley little or no security in a job, let alone a future.....
my mother took care of her mother who was dying of cancer....my mom had 6 kids and my dad made poor money......but I have preserved my grandmothers prescence in my mind til this day .....so I know its doable to take in your beloved ....
that's love and devotion for ya......wonder if the younger generations will ever know it....
if the state regulators or Joint commission finds evidence anywhere in the chart where pain went untreated, its a problem, and even if its only the family members saying the patient is in "pain" and what you see is a person sleeping you still have to act in someway....
you can't win in this game....
we do have lots of "loving" family members who think that reality is like ER and that death is supposed to be pretty....
we have those family members who DEMAND that we give more narcotic because its just so hard to sit there waiting for death ...what they mean is its too hard on THEM.....
then we get the divided families argueing over their parent in front of them......
what passes for love, I tell ya......
as far as "drugging" up patients....is not ethical nor legal from my understanding to chemically restrain anyone unless there is thorough documentation that there is a need for it and the family and doctor all are in agreement...especially if the patient poses a risk to himself or others....
you see, NH's aren't supposed to be using physical restraints anymore, so their options are very narrow.....people will sue no matter what happens.....
until the public and society understands that death is a natural and NECESSARY part of our world then we get these constant conflicts....
I wish people would stop bitching about nursing homes or hospitals or the like because the alternative is there for YOU to care for your loved one at YOUR house.....
we all know that the kind of devotion is just not there in 2005 in the good ol USA....we talk a big line but when it comes right down to it, most people will be ditching their parents in NH's no matter what.......sad...
I saw my mother-in-law in a nursing several years ago in Florida and she got good care and her husband visited her twice a day. But then I saw and heard about patients there with extended family who were lucky to have any visitors once a year. The 'disposable' elderly attitude a lot of Americans have sickens me more than almost any other issue.
BTTT! Be back later.
in my state, its MANDATED that you ask the patient if he has a living will or similar, there is no requiremnt that he have one nor is it required that he sign up "quick"......
maybe you have heard of families suing because daddy or mommy was resuscitated even though there was a "living will" at home in the safe deposit box.....
the lawyers and the courts have made it impossible .....
Geez....we have one state that voted to allow people to commit suicide by doctor, and we have families mad because dad's living will was fulfilled and mad when dad's living will was not fulfilled.......
there is no way to do the "right" thing in today's climate....
if you are a family member, you can obtain information with the patients okay of course to review all medications with the nurse or the doctor......there is no secrecy .....maybe a little more sincere inquisition on behalf of your loved ones would be more productive than just making blanket putdowns on every doctor, nurse, therapist or aides in a hospital....
Have you noticed how unconcerned and callous your fellow Americans (not to mention the Europeans)have become toward the elderly infirmed? Oh, they want to vote for politicians who promise "compassion," but their definition of compassion is "I get my way and to hell with anyone standing in my way!"
I'm sorry that my post made you angry. There are certainly good people working in nursing homes. However, it's not possible for me to discern the difference without some sort of in depth vetting process that can't be done. They are in fact, strangers to me and my loved one. They may be wonderful caring strangers, or they may be the other type. For that reason, I would choose any avenue other than nursing home care if at all possible.
Do the hospices like Woodside which did in Terri really want to identify themselves with clowns? Here are some snippets from The Miami Herald:
But the dissenting artists say the mass-produced figurines are overly commercial and hackneyed. Sarasota's plan is made worse, they believe, because the figures in question would be clowns, which they say would cheapen a city that bills itself as the ``cultural coast.''
Plus, they noted, there are children and adults who harbor coulrophobia -- a serious fear of clowns.
''The clown phobia thing is huge, I had no idea. There are people who just plum hate the images of clowns,'' said Virginia Hoffman, a sculptor and chair of Sarasota's Public Art Committee. ``I'm concerned about fallout. What if there are protests by clowns haters, or people who want to vandalize clown statues?''
I guess I misread what you said. I plan on having my bf as emergency DPOA, because my aunt lives in Maine. The doctor I mentioned is someone I can trust to consult in my treatment.
2.29 is great! Jeff is filling up the tank, and I'll ask him how much he paid when he gets home.
Anyone ever notice that it mentions Terri being a beloved wife only? Nothing about being a beloved daughter, sister, or aunt. I guess I was so mortified by the other stuff Michael put on there that I didn't catch that the first dozen times I'd looked at it.
That's why I'm saying living wills are far more dangerous than they are helpful. They cloud the issues more than they solve them.
My family is lucky that Dad showed us from his own example. He was totally against them. Whether it was mandated or not isn't the issue about the health care workers asking him. They positively harassed him about them. I'm not suggesting that this happens every time, but when my Dad was adament, he meant what he said, and those people just didn't get it.
I'm sorry if this offends you, but that's the way it was for us.
I've heard the horror stories about people hurredly taking their loved ones out of hospice woodside after their condition worsened in a short time.
Someone should write a book about "Our Escape from Judge Greer's Hospice". www.judgegeorgegreer.com (dirt on Judge Greer and there are other sites dedicated to the proposition that JUDGE GREER SHOULD BE INDICTED for running a death care system in Pinellas Cty. Robbing and then killing the ward. No blanket, just the truth, cherry.
Ping. Judge Greer should be indicted, the sooner the better. He's a totally corrupt, gutless wonder disguised as a republican. See my last - title for a new book I wish someone would write. Until then, remember June Maxam's book will be out before Christmas. www.northcountrygazette.org. (it's going to be an expose')
Over-immigration is going to be costly in human terms over there. On the other hand, in the U.S., the courts are doing the looting & sniping for greedy lawyers. That too, is costly in human terms.
Does GEICO insure cars in Europe? If they do, imagine them having to go out on an estimate. Hope they send MY ADJUSTER.
CORRECTION: GEICO uses appraisors for property damage estimates. If I don't make this correction, trolls will turn this thread into a thesis on auto policies.
clowns and hospice, even better together than hershey's and reeses. "chocolate in my peanut butter."
I made it through college thanks to Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Cost a nickle.
We saw similar in facilities for handicapped/severely retarded kids. We would find some fine staff who truly loved and cherished the kids, others more indifferent and a few truly hard and cruel. But what kept us on our toes were the unseen, the bureaucrats setting policies and who knew what else.
Our decision was to stay away and take all responsibility ourselves. The potential gain was not worth the risk.
Some just don't have that "je ne sais quoi". Michael Schiavo struck out this time in his thirst for being the big Mr. Death.
WorldNetDaily tells it, through Diana Lynne.
If reaction from television-viewing neighbors is a reliable indicator of his future success in the political arena, Michael Schiavo may want to rethink his plans.
News of the Clearwater, Fla., resident's endorsement of Virginia Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine in that state's gubernatorial election prompted a chorus of criticism.
"Who cares what this man thinks? He legally starved his wife to death. Why does his opinion matter to anyone?" was the response posted by W. D. Patton on BayNews9's online Viewer Center message board. Patton's sentiment strikes a common chord among the 26 messages posted as of this writing.
They march in socialist lockstep with the death dealers we see.
Ping to our recent posts:
Comments about Schiavo's endorsement of Tim Kaine.
"When did this guy become politically relevant? Mike, you had the right to want your own life. Your wife died long before the plug was pulled and due to insurance policy requirements you could not simply divorce her near-dead carcass and marry your next love. But now you've had your 15 minutes it is time to slink quietly back into obscurity."
"[Who] gives a flying crap what or who this guy thinks should run for what?"
"Who gives a rat's a-- what this guy thinks or who he likes politically. His 15 minutes are up. Maybe he should hook up with wacko Cindy Sheehan."
"Who cares who Michael Schiavo is going to vote for ... call me crazy, but he's no one special."
"This SOB is going to get rich one way or another off of his wife's death. Movies, book deals. ... I am sick of this CREEP getting attention for killing his wife!"
"Where did you get the idea that Michael Schiavo is newsworthy, or that his opinions are important enough to warrant even a blurb? He should sink back into the nothingness he was before the Terri Schiavo case."
I still don't know why he would bother endorsing a candidate in VA, when he is a resident of FL.
People's general opinion of Michael Schiavo is not a good one. I don't think he realizes that.
I don't think he is capable of realizing that.
A mind bloated, corrupted, polluted with the glee of a successful murder can blind a guy to reality.
Hubris, with a good dose of narcissism and psychopathy. Hey, maybe he has the stuff for running as a Dem???
"June Maxam's book will be out before Christmas. www.northcountrygazette.org. (it's going to be an expose')"
Looking forward to that book coming out.
Bumping this informative post.
Here is some of the handiwork not of Dr. Josef Mengele of Hitler's Germany, but happening right in Florida right in Greer country now.
This is an abstract of an experiment performed on humans by David A. Weiland, MD and others. All of the subjects of the experiment had a multitude of adverse reactions. The experimenters wrote it off as an allergic reaction.
Hana Osman, Ph. D. biography. Her primary specialty is getting people to sign away their right to life. Her secondary specialty is experimenting on them.
Living wills, anyone??
PHILADELPHIA - After three decades of urging Americans to write living wills, many doctors, lawyers and ethicists concede that these documents have largely failed.
The problems are many: Most people don't complete living wills. When they do, too often the paper isn't available when decisions about life support must be made.
Living wills, intended to assure that patients' wishes are honored when they can't speak for themselves, rarely address the actual situations that arise. And many people don't really know in advance what treatments they would or wouldn't want.
"The 30 years of literature on living wills has shown very disappointing results," said Charles Sabatino, assistant director of the American Bar Association's Commission on Law and Aging. "The shortcomings of living wills are real. Dying is just too complicated."
A blistering indictment of living wills appeared last year in the Hastings Center Report, a well-known bioethics journal.
It began: "Enough. The living will has failed and it's time to say so."
"Our role as attorneys is to help explain so people understand they have options," McCarthy said.
"In my opinion, taking care of this is a very nice gift to give to your family," McCarthy said. "If your family knows what you want, it makes something very hard a little easier."
Today, ethics committee members will be available to answer questions about the right to privacy. Sessions will be held from 9-11 a.m. and 1-3 p.m. at GPRMC. Thursday, the topic will be patient rights, and at three 3 p.m. there will be a presentation on topics related to ethics in health care.
What the heck is eosinophilia? It sounds like these people volunteered to be guinea pigs to test a new drug. Hope they got paid a lot of money.
Dr. Osman sounds like a little ray of sunshine. Imagine the conversation at the dinner table when she's there. What ever you do, don't choke on your food around her.
And sure does help get one off the hook if there's any questions concerning that nice gift of a hefty life insurance. /s
He [Al Franken] skewers Republican leader Tom DeLay for saying proper medical care might have revived Schiavo as she remained in a vegetative state while politicians debated her fate.
"In other words, given proper treatment, there was no reason Terri Schiavo couldn't live out her lifelong dream of being a Rockette," Franken quipped.
Franken typifies the moronic reasoning of the far left, so enamored with supporting the cults of death they see humor in the suffering.
If this hero of Err Amerika can see humor in such a tragedy, he sees not his own evil.
8MM, this makes my skin crawl. I was just a few miles from North Platte, in St. Paul, NE on the 8th, burying my Dad. Wish I had known about this, I would've shown up for it.