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Poll ratings for Bush still sinking (AP fans the flames against Rove)
Associated Press(Tulsa World) ^ | 11/04/05 | Tom Raum

Posted on 11/04/2005 4:56:53 AM PST by JustaCowgirl

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To: JustaCowgirl

Paul Harvey reporting on 1040 WWBA said that President Bush is down in the polls - but 4 out of 5 Republicans still are behind him!!


41 posted on 11/04/2005 6:08:16 AM PST by LADY J
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To: new yorker 77
The AP Poll Sample: 50% Democrats, 38% Republicans, 12% Indpendents

Are you sure?

42 posted on 11/04/2005 6:13:14 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: JustaCowgirl

Gee, when day after day after day after day after day the MSM does nothing but spread FUD, how could the majority of citizens that don't seek out alternative information sources NOT think the President isn't doing a good job?


43 posted on 11/04/2005 6:14:58 AM PST by PogySailor (Good luck to my son & buddies of the 1/11 Marines in Iraq. (TAD to the 3/1))
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To: JustaCowgirl
It looks like these folks are trying to create a self-perpetuating downward spiral.

Bad story leads to reduced poll numbers leads to bad poll story leads to new bad story... and so on. This is politics and political warfare...

Given the success of Fox news trying to be non partisan (if not somewhat to the right) one wonders why none of the floundering elements in the rest of the MSM haven't gotten the message. Does ideology always trump profit for these people?
44 posted on 11/04/2005 6:21:54 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: rhombus

I would not say it's a hope. I could care less what the polls say. But I predict they go up, if troops start to come home. And at this juncture, it is in the best interests of the country to begin the turnover of the street war in Iraq to the Iraqi army. Their internal war is not our problem, nor is it in our best interests to get involved in a war between the Sunnis and the Shiites.


45 posted on 11/04/2005 6:22:16 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: PogySailor
Gee, when day after day after day after day after day the MSM does nothing but spread FUD, how could the majority of citizens that don't seek out alternative information sources NOT think the President isn't doing a good job?

I don't think they could. It feels kind of helpless when you know there's this avalanche of propoganda coming from the MSM, and that most people believe it, or at least some of it.

46 posted on 11/04/2005 6:22:18 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (Father, we pray that lies will destroy the liars and the truth will lift up the truthful.)
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To: new yorker 77
Why don't we live by the polls? We would all be correct rich and happy. Polls are controlled by the pollster.
47 posted on 11/04/2005 6:23:19 AM PST by Big Horn (We need more Tom DeLay's)
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To: RedEyeJack
Given the success of Fox news trying to be non partisan (if not somewhat to the right) one wonders why none of the floundering elements in the rest of the MSM haven't gotten the message. Does ideology always trump profit for these people?

Apparently it does. I have wondered that myself. Instead of taking a lesson from Fox News, what they do is try to silence them. Amazing. If, God forbid, Hillary ever gets elected, I think you will see Fox and the conservative talk shows hounded into oblivion.

48 posted on 11/04/2005 6:24:53 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (Father, we pray that lies will destroy the liars and the truth will lift up the truthful.)
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To: JustaCowgirl

Aw Geez, Not These Crappy Polls Again. Alright, Once More Into The Breach
Posted by bulldogpundit on Friday, 04 November 2005 (00:27:40) EST
Contributed by bulldogpundit

The MSM is positively orgasmic over 3 new polls - yes, 3, showing President Bush's approval numbers in the crapper. Gee, do you think that is the reason Reid decided to pull his little stunt this week, and the rest of the lefties got beer muscles and decided to throw sand in the President's eye?

But once again, it is up to us here at ABP to show you why these polls are utterly meaningless when it comes to predicting what voters will do come 2006.

Click READ MORE to continue.

First, the 3 doom and gloom polls.

From The Washington Post: Approve-38% Disapprove-60%

From AP/Ipsos: Approve-37% Disapprove-58%

From CBS News: Approve-35% Disapprove-57%

We're going to forego the usual factors of weekend polling, age and income level of respondents, etc., and just go to party ID of respondents, after telling you that the polls are of "adults", not even "registered voters" or even "likely voters".

Let's just remind you that in 2004 the exit polls showed the party ID of voters at 37% Republicans and Democrats

So, let's get to the numbers shall we.

Party ID of The Washington Post poll respondents: Independent-38% Democrat-31% Republican-27% (Lean- Democrat 52% Republican-41% Independent-6%)

Party ID of AP/Ipsos poll respondents: Democrat-49% Republican-40% Independent 9%

Party ID of CBS News poll respondents (weighted): Independent-41% Democrat-35% Republican-24%

Ok folks, does anything more really need to be said?

UPDATE: Tom Elia of The New Editor shows this kind of imbalance in polls has been going on since July.

http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2597


49 posted on 11/04/2005 6:25:31 AM PST by frankjr
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To: Brilliant

The polls would only go up with the necessary PR. Which is what I said in a previous post. But I agree, I don't care if they have a civil war - somethimes they are necessary. I do care if a civil war is started by international islamofascists in order to take back what they lost and so should you.


50 posted on 11/04/2005 6:26:02 AM PST by rhombus
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To: JustaCowgirl
AP is becoming worried that the Plame/Wilson witch hunt might not stretch to get Karl Rove after all. Must create a poll to fan the flames.

I think it's a bit more subtle than that. The MSM and the Dems invested heavily in Plamegate. Since Fitz only delivered indictments of one bit player that were not related to the alleged initial offense, the MSM has to make it seem like Plamegate still had some impact on the Bush Admin. Then they'll drop it into the regular rotation of stories to recycle as needed.

51 posted on 11/04/2005 6:28:45 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: JustaCowgirl
I'm always skeptical of these articles about polls. I like to have more information. Who was surveyed? What time of day was the survey performed? What, specifically, were the questions they were asked?

I've been called to participate in these kinds of surveys before. The questions can easily be 'scripted' to get the answer one wants. If a person has a particular bias, they may write the questions in that manner without consciously making a decision to do so.

52 posted on 11/04/2005 6:42:01 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: rhombus

I think the Iraqis have a handle on this no matter who is fighting the war. If the international islamofacists are fighting it, they will lose. They will lose faster to the Iraqis than they will to the Americans.

At this point, I think our only role in this war should be to make sure that the Iraqis don't lose their grip. To me, it looks like at this point, they are gaining their grip, so we should step back and watch.


53 posted on 11/04/2005 6:57:44 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: JustaCowgirl

Any polls out on the current approval rating for Congress?


54 posted on 11/04/2005 6:58:38 AM PST by austinaero
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To: SoFloFreeper
Is this the same AP poll?:

Biased AP Poll Oversamples Democrats Over Republicans by 12 Points: 50% Dem. - 38% Rep. - 12% Ind

55 posted on 11/04/2005 6:59:53 AM PST by elfman2
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To: Brilliant
At this point, I think our only role in this war should be to make sure that the Iraqis don't lose their grip. To me, it looks like at this point, they are gaining their grip, so we should step back and watch.

I'll trust our people in country for now.

56 posted on 11/04/2005 7:00:04 AM PST by rhombus
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To: JustaCowgirl

In a related story, poll numbers for AP's relevance and credibility continue to plummet.

"Several senior FReepers who are close to Free Republic and Jim Robinson say there has been lots of talk inside and outside Free Republic about the need for AP to disappear, but they're picking up no indication from AP or its goon squads that it is going to happen -- at least anytime soon."


57 posted on 11/04/2005 7:07:38 AM PST by auboy (Spoiled brats should not be senators, and senators should not be spoiled brats)
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To: Brilliant
Begin to bring the troops home from Iraq, and this will change. The work there is just about done.

You forgot the 20 ft. high, glowing neon sarcasm tag.
58 posted on 11/04/2005 7:24:46 AM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: auboy

"Several senior FReepers who are close to Free Republic and Jim Robinson say there has been lots of talk inside and outside Free Republic about the need for AP to disappear, but they're picking up no indication from AP or its goon squads that it is going to happen -- at least anytime soon."

Finally, an accurate report.


59 posted on 11/04/2005 7:45:25 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (Father, we pray that lies will destroy the liars and the truth will lift up the truthful.)
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To: Williams

I happen to agree with you on this. I have blogged and written articles for years saying that conservative-Pubs never fire back in defense or even go on the offense. Our side lets the MSM and their DNC allies set the agendas. These polls may be a bit skewed but they , like Goebbel's lies, repeated enough and enough, people will indeed believe them. Rush is great but should not be laughing here. He should be encouraging his and our allies to fire back every day as ole Chuckie Schumer does before every camera and mic in creation!!


60 posted on 11/04/2005 8:37:01 AM PST by phillyfanatic
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