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Hundreds of vehicles torched in renewed French riots
Reuters ^ | 04 Nov 2005 | Kerstin Gehmlich

Posted on 11/04/2005 8:23:20 AM PST by ncountylee

AULNAY-SOUS-BOIS, France, Nov 4 (Reuters) - Rioters set fire to hundreds of vehicles in impoverished suburbs of northeastern Paris in an eighth night of unrest that spread for the first time to other parts of the capital and towns in France.

Local officials said they had lost patience with the government. Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin and his rival, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, opted for low profiles after days of squabbling over how to handle the crisis.

Police reported fewer clashes than previous nights and residents said the Eid al-Fitr holiday ending Ramadan may have calmed areas with many Muslims of North African and black African origin who feel treated as second-class citizens.

But the rioting spread, with some attacks reported in western Paris suburbs -- including the spectacular burning of 23 buses at a depot -- and a few cars firebombed around Rouen in northern France, Dijon in the east and Marseille in the south.

The pattern of violence also changed, shifting from crowds clashing with police to targeted arson attacks, many against businesses and warehouses.

"I've had enough of this," said an angry woman wearing a headscarf in Aulnay-sous-Bois, a northeastern Paris suburb where a large warehouse was burned down overnight. "This must stop quickly. It's just not right."

Mayors from the riot-hit areas were also exasperated after Villepin briefed them on Thursday evening about an "action plan for the suburbs" he aims to present later this month.

"Many of us told him this isn't the time for an umpteenth plan," said Jean-Christophe Lagarde, mayor of Drancy. "All we need is one death and I think it will get out of control."

"IMMENSE VIOLENCE"

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1 posted on 11/04/2005 8:23:21 AM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

The Relion of Peace combined with the kindness of socialism results in violence? No way! /sarcasm


2 posted on 11/04/2005 8:24:53 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: ncountylee

Auto's torched? Should be good for the auto industry.


3 posted on 11/04/2005 8:25:27 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: ncountylee

Small cars ---- small fire.


4 posted on 11/04/2005 8:26:07 AM PST by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: ncountylee
"impoverished suburbs"

Boy, that's becoming the sticking point for the mediaWHORES lately..say it you darn A**HOLES reporters! IT'S THE MUSLIMS causing the riots!! Chicken CHit!!
5 posted on 11/04/2005 8:26:51 AM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: ncountylee

It seems to run in governments, this inability to act, the paralysis of fear of politicians, after all, look at what we DO know about Able Danger, in this country. The exposure of gross incompetence, no action, slow action, politics over the people.

Seems to be everywhere.


6 posted on 11/04/2005 8:27:16 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: ncountylee

And all that finger wagging they've done over Israel....


7 posted on 11/04/2005 8:27:38 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: ncountylee

Is there a web-cam in Paris we can check out?


8 posted on 11/04/2005 8:28:35 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: ncountylee

Sound's like downtown Baghdad is tame by comparison.


9 posted on 11/04/2005 8:31:02 AM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: ncountylee

For the people that protested Disneyland paris as a threat to French culture, I wonder if they will do anything about this or if they will export all muslims back to the middle east. It might be too late for the latter.


10 posted on 11/04/2005 8:31:12 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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This is absolutely going sky-high if this rioting picks up in Marseille. That place is crawling with these Muslim gangs. I hope they bottle it up as long as possible, but if this continues in Paris, things are going to get ugly all over the place.


11 posted on 11/04/2005 8:31:49 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: bmwcyle
Small cars ---- small fire.

You got that right. A hundred of those Smart cars will fit in the third row of my Expedition.

12 posted on 11/04/2005 8:32:51 AM PST by ScottinSacto
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To: ncountylee

Muslims did they say the M word - What the hell is the matter with Roto Ruters anyway - using the M world - people might start the get the picture that the religion of peace might mean the religion of piece of your head.

This and Andy (looney tune) Rooney wanting to restore the "Negro" name. shocking just shocking.


13 posted on 11/04/2005 8:33:41 AM PST by kentj
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To: Walkingfeather

Good point!! I don't see Micky burning Paris down!!


14 posted on 11/04/2005 8:33:58 AM PST by bubman
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To: ncountylee
After France's talk of peace, they don't want the world to see images of tanks rolling through the streets of suburban France. They really painted themselves into a corner.
15 posted on 11/04/2005 8:34:07 AM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: CheyennePress

As long as the French "hold fire", the scum will continue to destroy France.


16 posted on 11/04/2005 8:34:49 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

Don't you just love the Religion of Peace? I was really bursting with pride to see some members of the ROP had beheaded three little Christian girls on their way to school in Indonesia. What a great religion.

Now some wonderful ROP practioners in France are torching the historic city of Paris. Maybe they will burn the Lourve or better still Notre Dame. Wouldn't that be nice?

Sarcasm off in SPADES!!!


17 posted on 11/04/2005 8:34:51 AM PST by lone star annie
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To: ncountylee
Ford and GM better send some salespeeples over to Paris immediately.

The juicy prospects there for new cars could save these reeling auto giants from bankruptcy.

Leni

18 posted on 11/04/2005 8:36:42 AM PST by MinuteGal (Today is My Seventh Anniversary on This Forum...and I'm Still in Love with Free Republic!)
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To: ncountylee
Ford and GM better send some salespeeples over to Paris immediately.

The juicy prospects there for new cars could save these reeling auto giants from bankruptcy.

Leni

19 posted on 11/04/2005 8:36:43 AM PST by MinuteGal (Today is My Seventh Anniversary on This Forum...and I'm Still in Love with Free Republic!)
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To: MinuteGal
My apologies for the twofer.

Leni

20 posted on 11/04/2005 8:37:30 AM PST by MinuteGal (Today is My Seventh Anniversary on This Forum...and I'm Still in Love with Free Republic!)
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To: ncountylee

In terms of sending unhappy Muslim immigrants back to their homelands, interestingly, one Muslim rioter in Denmark shouted that he was Palestinian first, despite where he was living. Of course, if Israel didn't exist, they'd have some other beard to hide behind. Hatred of the US and Western Civilization, for instance.


21 posted on 11/04/2005 8:37:36 AM PST by hershey
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To: ncountylee
Police reported fewer clashes than previous nights and residents said the Eid al-Fitr holiday ending Ramadan may have calmed areas with many Muslims of North African and black African origin who feel treated as second-class citizens.

Not intending to change the subject at hand, but what I want to know is, are these people African-Frenchmen, or is that too pc for them?

22 posted on 11/04/2005 8:39:14 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Mulch

Soon, the French {paraphrasing Nixon} will be saying, "Now we are all right-wing reactionaries."


23 posted on 11/04/2005 8:39:56 AM PST by Cedric
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To: ncountylee

I'm utterly laughing my a** off here. The smug French, who brag about their tolerance and their enlightened social sensibilities, are now faced with an intifada of what is basically an invading force determined to colonize France for Islam.

I say let them burn awhile, the burned hand teaches best.

I do wonder though if this is truly random or if more coordinated than we think, or at least fomented by terrorist provacateurs.


24 posted on 11/04/2005 8:40:11 AM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: ncountylee

Now their new country looks and feels like where they came from. They are animals and should be treated as such.


25 posted on 11/04/2005 8:40:58 AM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: hershey

Prince Charles should hotfoot it over to Paris tout suite. His Muslim pals would welcome him with open arms.


26 posted on 11/04/2005 8:41:34 AM PST by hershey
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To: Ohioan from Florida

I guess that should have a /sarc tag with it.


27 posted on 11/04/2005 8:41:37 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: ncountylee
Mayors from the riot-hit areas were also exasperated after Villepin briefed them on Thursday evening about an "action plan for the suburbs" he aims to present later this month.

I hope this brings an end to Villepin's career and swings support behind Sarkozy.


28 posted on 11/04/2005 8:41:49 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Free Vulcan

Apparently, the Islamofascists didn't get the "back channel" memo from the French.


29 posted on 11/04/2005 8:45:38 AM PST by Cedric
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To: bmwcyle

"Small cars ---- small fire."

Will a Citroen burn?


30 posted on 11/04/2005 8:47:10 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: ncountylee
That appeasement strategy is really working out well for the French.
31 posted on 11/04/2005 8:47:18 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: ncountylee

Laissez Paris brûler!!!!!


32 posted on 11/04/2005 8:50:53 AM PST by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: MinuteGal

Le mauvais sentant les français ont des renaults.


33 posted on 11/04/2005 8:53:41 AM PST by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: RoseofTexas

couldn't agree more. There are hundreds of poor, and third world countries. They're not rioting! They're toiling to make better lives for their children, and teaching their children that education and hard work is the ticket to properity, not straping on suicide vests. Have to ask ourselves: what is it about this religion that teaches children that killing is the way?

Could it just be that this is about conquest, imposing sharia law, and fostering a seventh century life on the rest of us? It's the only thing that makes sense.


34 posted on 11/04/2005 8:57:28 AM PST by texaslil (and)
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To: CheyennePress
I hope they bottle it up as long as possible

Why, so it will be a bigger mess when it finally erupts?

Its going to happen sooner or later. Now, and there strikes me as being just as good as later, and someplace else.

35 posted on 11/04/2005 9:03:19 AM PST by PAR35
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To: ncountylee

Why doesn't Reuters call them "insurgents", or maybe "resistance"?


36 posted on 11/04/2005 9:14:24 AM PST by Wiz
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To: The_Victor
That appeasement strategy is really working out well for the French.

Ya don't think that the inner city rioters in this country starting back in the 60s ain't been appeased
37 posted on 11/04/2005 9:28:59 AM PST by uncbob
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To: PAR35
Its going to happen sooner or later. Now, and there strikes me as being just as good as later, and someplace else.

The later it is the bloodshed needed to stop it goes up exponetially
38 posted on 11/04/2005 9:30:35 AM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
The question is whether the French will ever have the will to shed enough blood to stop it.

From news reports, the conflict is already starting to morph from the more or less spontaneous riots engaged in for sport, to more organized activities. By the end of the year, it may be a full-fledged guerrilla operation.
39 posted on 11/04/2005 9:35:44 AM PST by PAR35
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To: ncountylee

"The pattern of violence also changed, shifting from crowds clashing with police to targeted arson attacks, many against businesses and warehouses."

Doesn't this basically mean that the police have stopped intervening as much?

Before there were crowds rioting and the police were trying to control or arrest them. Now there are crowds rioting and they're burning cars and building, yet there are less clashes with the police.

Isn't that a clear sign that things are getting worse and that the government is farther from having control over the situation?


40 posted on 11/04/2005 9:49:02 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: ncountylee
RIGHT ON, Mohammed! Way to go Khalil! Keep it up until you wake up the sleeping Europeans.

Is that possible?

41 posted on 11/04/2005 9:50:04 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: uncbob
I just found an article by Robert Spencer which has a very interesting quote regarding the problem in France. This is simply amazing.

The Euro-Arab Axis, historian Bat Ye'or details a series of agreements between the European Union and the Arab League that guaranteed that Muslim immigrants in Europe would not be compelled in any way to adapt "to the customs of the host countries."

On the contrary, the Euro-Arab Dialogue's Hamburg Symposium of 1983, to take just one of many examples, recommended that non-Muslim Europeans be made "more aware of the cultural background of migrants, by promoting cultural activities of the immigrant communities or 'supplying adequate information on the culture of the migrant communities in the school curricula.'"

Not only that: "Access to the mass media had to be facilitated to the migrants in order to ensure 'regular information in their own language about their own culture as well as about the conditions of life in the host country.1"

Source for Bat Ye'or quote...Bat Ye'or, Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis, Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 2005. P. 97.

Link to Robert Spencer article

42 posted on 11/04/2005 10:14:45 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: uncbob
Ya don't think that the inner city rioters in this country starting back in the 60s ain't been appeased

Who were the rioters, and what was the appeasement?

43 posted on 11/04/2005 10:39:46 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor

You have to ask ?


44 posted on 11/04/2005 12:03:44 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
You have to ask ?

I was born on '64, and the only "riot" I recall is the '68 demcRAT convention. I remember lost of anti war protests, but they hardly qualified as riots, end getting out of the war hasn't appeased them.

Please tell me what your thinking of.

45 posted on 11/04/2005 12:09:02 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor
remember lost of = remember lots of

riots, end getting = riots, and getting

I hate it when my typos make correctly spelled words.

46 posted on 11/04/2005 12:11:22 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor; uncbob
The riots in Detroit, Newark (had relatives on the police force), and Watts caused far more damage in terms of property and lost lives back in the 1960s. How were the rioters pacified?

1. Government jobs.

2. Affirmative Action

3. Due to white flight, blacks now had political dominance in Newark and Detroit.

47 posted on 11/04/2005 12:12:18 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: The_Victor
I guess they never taught American history at your school:

1967 Newark Riots

The 1967 Newark Riots were a major civil disturbance that occurred in the city of Newark, New Jersey between July 12 and July 17, 1967. In the period leading up to the riots, several factors led local African-American residents to feel powerless and disenfranchised. In particular they had been largely excluded from political representation and often suffered police brutality. Furthermore, unemployment, poverty and concerns about low quality housing contributed to the tinder-box. This unrest came to a head when a black cab driver named John Smith was arrested for illegally passing a double-parked police car and brutally beaten by police who accused him of resisting arrest. A crowd gathered outside the police station where he was detained, and a rumor was started that he had been killed while in police custody. (Actually he had been moved to a local hospital.) This set off five days of riots, looting, violence and destruction — ultimately leaving 23 people dead, 725 people injured and close to 1,500 arrested. Property damage exceeded $10 million. The riot is often cited as a major factor in the decline of Newark and its neighboring communities, as many of the city's residents fled to the suburbs immediately following the riots.

Detroit Riots:

The 12th Street Riot in Detroit began in the early morning hours of Sunday, July 23, 1967, after vice squad officers executed a raid at an illegal after-hours drinking establishment (colloquially referred to as a blind pig) on the corner of 12th Street (today also known as "Rosa Parks Boulevard") and Clairmount Avenue on the city's near westside. This evolved into one of the most deadly and destructive riots in modern U.S. history--far surpassing the disturbances which broke out in the city during 1943--and eclipsed only by those riots occurring in Los Angeles during 1992. In 1967, the Detroit Police Department's Tac Squads, each made up of four police officers (predominantly white), had a reputation among the black residents of Detroit for harrassment and brutality. While the city of Detroit still had a white majority in 1967, it had gained a black majority by the early 1970s. On that summer Sunday morning, the officers had expected to find only a handful of individuals in the bar, but instead there were 82 people celebrating the return of two local veterans from the war in Vietnam. Despite the large number, police decided to arrest everyone present. A crowd soon gathered around the establishment, protesting as patrons were led away. After the last police car left, a group of angry black males, who had observed the incident, began breaking the windows of the adjacent clothing store. Shortly thereafter, full-scale rioting began throughout the neighborhood, which continued into Monday, July 24, 1967, and for the next few days. Despite a conscious effort by the local news media to avoid reporting on it so as not to inspire copy-cat violence, the mayhem expanded to other parts of the city with theft and destruction beyond the 12th Street/Clairmount Avenue vicinity. National Guardsmen were deployed to quell the disorder and their numbers had swelled to some 8,000 within 48 hours, but their presence only fueled more violence. Willie Horton— black Detroit resident, and popular Detroit Tigers baseball player—arrived after a ball game, and stood on a car in the middle of the crowd wearing his baseball uniform but could not calm them, despite his impassioned pleas. U.S. Representative John Conyers (D-Michigan) likewise attempted to ease tensions but was equally unsuccessful. Michigan Governor George Romney and President Lyndon Johnson disagreed about the legality of sending in federal troops. Johnson said he could not send federal troops in without Romney declaring a "state of insurrection"; Romney was reluctant to make that declaration for fear that doing so would relieve insurance companies of their obligations to reimburse policyholders for the damage being done. Almost 48 hours after the disturbances began, Johnson sent in federal troops from the 82nd Airborne who had earlier been positioned at nearby Selfridge Air Force Base in suburban Macomb County—without a "state of insurrection" being officially declared. The national guard troops were federalized at that time. Contrary to popular belief, black-owned businesses were not spared. One of the first stores looted in Detroit was Hardy's drug store, owned by blacks, and known for filling prescriptions on credit. Detroit's leading black-owned clothing store was burned, as was one of the city's best-loved black restaurants. In the wake of the riots, a black merchant noted "you were going to get looted no matter what color you were." (Thernstrom, Abigail and Stephen. America in Black and White: One Nation, Indivisible: Race in Modern America. Pages 162-4). Over the period of five days, 43 people died, an additional 1,189 were injured, over 7,000 were arrested, and more than 1,400 buildings were burned. The riot caused an estimated $45 million in damages.[1] Beyond the immediate destruction of a considerable section of the city, the disturbances are thought to have accelerated white flight (and also middle-class black flight) to the surrounding suburbs and led to an increased fear of the city among many suburbanites which continues to this day. Furthermore, Detroit's overall population within the city limits (today more than 80% black) has been sliced in half within the space of five decades. In the 1950 census, there were more than 1,800,000 residents within the city limits, more than three-fourths of whom were white. By the 2000 census, however, there were only about 950,000 city residents—the first time since the 1910 census that Detroit had officially recorded fewer than a million inhabitants—and whites making up less than 15% of the population. As conditions have deteriorated in the city—notably in the performance of its public school system and in its notoriously high crime rate—some of the city's suburbs have become predominantly black, such as the more affluent Southfield in neighboring Oakland County. Many observers trace the dramatically quickened pace of these developments to the 1967 unrest and to public school desegregation orders by federal courts in the early 1970s. Detroit's Mayor at the time, Jerome Cavanagh, a white liberal Democrat, lamented upon surveying the damage, "today we stand amidst the ashes of our hopes. We hoped against hope that what we had been doing was enough to prevent a riot. It was not enough." Reflecting on the riots, Cavanagh's successor, Mayor Coleman Young, wrote: "The heaviest casualty, however, was the city. Detroit's losses went a hell of a lot deeper than the immediate toll of lives and buildings. The riot put Detroit on the fast track to economic desolation, mugging the city and making off with incalculable value in jobs, earnings taxes, corporate taxes, retail dollars, sales taxes, mortgages, interest, property taxes, development dollars, investment dollars, tourism dollars, and plain damn money. The money was carried out in the pockets of the businesses and the white people who fled as fast as they could. The white exodus from Detroit had been prodigiously steady prior to the rebellion [sic], totally twenty-two thousand in 1966, but afterwards it was frantic. In 1967, with less than half the year remaining after the summer explosion—the outward population migration reached sixty-seven thousand. In 1968 the figure hit eighty-thousand, followed by forty-six thousand in 1969." (Hard Stuff, page 179)

48 posted on 11/04/2005 12:14:53 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: Clemenza
So did the appeasement work, or just delay the inevitable?
49 posted on 11/04/2005 12:15:40 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: ncountylee

Ok France, what do you have to say about our secret CIA prisons in Europe now? Not such a bad idea, is it?


50 posted on 11/04/2005 12:16:31 PM PST by Casloy
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