Hundreds of vehicles torched in renewed French riots

Reuters ^ | 04 Nov 2005 | Kerstin Gehmlich

[ThanhPhero]

RIGHT ON, Mohammed! Way to go Khalil! Keep it up until you wake up the sleeping Europeans.

Is that possible?

[Dark Skies]

I just found an article by Robert Spencer which has a very interesting quote regarding the problem in France. This is simply amazing.

The Euro-Arab Axis, historian Bat Ye'or details a series of agreements between the European Union and the Arab League that guaranteed that Muslim immigrants in Europe would not be compelled in any way to adapt "to the customs of the host countries."

On the contrary, the Euro-Arab Dialogue's Hamburg Symposium of 1983, to take just one of many examples, recommended that non-Muslim Europeans be made "more aware of the cultural background of migrants, by promoting cultural activities of the immigrant communities or 'supplying adequate information on the culture of the migrant communities in the school curricula.'"

Not only that: "Access to the mass media had to be facilitated to the migrants in order to ensure 'regular information in their own language about their own culture as well as about the conditions of life in the host country.1"

Source for Bat Ye'or quote...Bat Ye'or, Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis, Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 2005. P. 97.

Link to Robert Spencer article

[The_Victor]

Ya don't think that the inner city rioters in this country starting back in the 60s ain't been appeased

Who were the rioters, and what was the appeasement?

[uncbob]

You have to ask ?

[The_Victor]

You have to ask ?

I was born on '64, and the only "riot" I recall is the '68 demcRAT convention. I remember lost of anti war protests, but they hardly qualified as riots, end getting out of the war hasn't appeased them.

Please tell me what your thinking of.

[The_Victor]

remember lost of = remember lots of

riots, end getting = riots, and getting

I hate it when my typos make correctly spelled words.

[Clemenza]

The riots in Detroit, Newark (had relatives on the police force), and Watts caused far more damage in terms of property and lost lives back in the 1960s. How were the rioters pacified?

1. Government jobs.

2. Affirmative Action

3. Due to white flight, blacks now had political dominance in Newark and Detroit.

[Clemenza]

I guess they never taught American history at your school:

1967 Newark Riots

The 1967 Newark Riots were a major civil disturbance that occurred in the city of Newark, New Jersey between July 12 and July 17, 1967. In the period leading up to the riots, several factors led local African-American residents to feel powerless and disenfranchised. In particular they had been largely excluded from political representation and often suffered police brutality. Furthermore, unemployment, poverty and concerns about low quality housing contributed to the tinder-box. This unrest came to a head when a black cab driver named John Smith was arrested for illegally passing a double-parked police car and brutally beaten by police who accused him of resisting arrest. A crowd gathered outside the police station where he was detained, and a rumor was started that he had been killed while in police custody. (Actually he had been moved to a local hospital.) This set off five days of riots, looting, violence and destruction — ultimately leaving 23 people dead, 725 people injured and close to 1,500 arrested. Property damage exceeded $10 million. The riot is often cited as a major factor in the decline of Newark and its neighboring communities, as many of the city's residents fled to the suburbs immediately following the riots.

Detroit Riots:

The 12th Street Riot in Detroit began in the early morning hours of Sunday, July 23, 1967, after vice squad officers executed a raid at an illegal after-hours drinking establishment (colloquially referred to as a blind pig) on the corner of 12th Street (today also known as "Rosa Parks Boulevard") and Clairmount Avenue on the city's near westside. This evolved into one of the most deadly and destructive riots in modern U.S. history--far surpassing the disturbances which broke out in the city during 1943--and eclipsed only by those riots occurring in Los Angeles during 1992. In 1967, the Detroit Police Department's Tac Squads, each made up of four police officers (predominantly white), had a reputation among the black residents of Detroit for harrassment and brutality. While the city of Detroit still had a white majority in 1967, it had gained a black majority by the early 1970s. On that summer Sunday morning, the officers had expected to find only a handful of individuals in the bar, but instead there were 82 people celebrating the return of two local veterans from the war in Vietnam. Despite the large number, police decided to arrest everyone present. A crowd soon gathered around the establishment, protesting as patrons were led away. After the last police car left, a group of angry black males, who had observed the incident, began breaking the windows of the adjacent clothing store. Shortly thereafter, full-scale rioting began throughout the neighborhood, which continued into Monday, July 24, 1967, and for the next few days. Despite a conscious effort by the local news media to avoid reporting on it so as not to inspire copy-cat violence, the mayhem expanded to other parts of the city with theft and destruction beyond the 12th Street/Clairmount Avenue vicinity. National Guardsmen were deployed to quell the disorder and their numbers had swelled to some 8,000 within 48 hours, but their presence only fueled more violence. Willie Horton— black Detroit resident, and popular Detroit Tigers baseball player—arrived after a ball game, and stood on a car in the middle of the crowd wearing his baseball uniform but could not calm them, despite his impassioned pleas. U.S. Representative John Conyers (D-Michigan) likewise attempted to ease tensions but was equally unsuccessful. Michigan Governor George Romney and President Lyndon Johnson disagreed about the legality of sending in federal troops. Johnson said he could not send federal troops in without Romney declaring a "state of insurrection"; Romney was reluctant to make that declaration for fear that doing so would relieve insurance companies of their obligations to reimburse policyholders for the damage being done. Almost 48 hours after the disturbances began, Johnson sent in federal troops from the 82nd Airborne who had earlier been positioned at nearby Selfridge Air Force Base in suburban Macomb County—without a "state of insurrection" being officially declared. The national guard troops were federalized at that time. Contrary to popular belief, black-owned businesses were not spared. One of the first stores looted in Detroit was Hardy's drug store, owned by blacks, and known for filling prescriptions on credit. Detroit's leading black-owned clothing store was burned, as was one of the city's best-loved black restaurants. In the wake of the riots, a black merchant noted "you were going to get looted no matter what color you were." (Thernstrom, Abigail and Stephen. America in Black and White: One Nation, Indivisible: Race in Modern America. Pages 162-4). Over the period of five days, 43 people died, an additional 1,189 were injured, over 7,000 were arrested, and more than 1,400 buildings were burned. The riot caused an estimated $45 million in damages.[1] Beyond the immediate destruction of a considerable section of the city, the disturbances are thought to have accelerated white flight (and also middle-class black flight) to the surrounding suburbs and led to an increased fear of the city among many suburbanites which continues to this day. Furthermore, Detroit's overall population within the city limits (today more than 80% black) has been sliced in half within the space of five decades. In the 1950 census, there were more than 1,800,000 residents within the city limits, more than three-fourths of whom were white. By the 2000 census, however, there were only about 950,000 city residents—the first time since the 1910 census that Detroit had officially recorded fewer than a million inhabitants—and whites making up less than 15% of the population. As conditions have deteriorated in the city—notably in the performance of its public school system and in its notoriously high crime rate—some of the city's suburbs have become predominantly black, such as the more affluent Southfield in neighboring Oakland County. Many observers trace the dramatically quickened pace of these developments to the 1967 unrest and to public school desegregation orders by federal courts in the early 1970s. Detroit's Mayor at the time, Jerome Cavanagh, a white liberal Democrat, lamented upon surveying the damage, "today we stand amidst the ashes of our hopes. We hoped against hope that what we had been doing was enough to prevent a riot. It was not enough." Reflecting on the riots, Cavanagh's successor, Mayor Coleman Young, wrote: "The heaviest casualty, however, was the city. Detroit's losses went a hell of a lot deeper than the immediate toll of lives and buildings. The riot put Detroit on the fast track to economic desolation, mugging the city and making off with incalculable value in jobs, earnings taxes, corporate taxes, retail dollars, sales taxes, mortgages, interest, property taxes, development dollars, investment dollars, tourism dollars, and plain damn money. The money was carried out in the pockets of the businesses and the white people who fled as fast as they could. The white exodus from Detroit had been prodigiously steady prior to the rebellion [sic], totally twenty-two thousand in 1966, but afterwards it was frantic. In 1967, with less than half the year remaining after the summer explosion—the outward population migration reached sixty-seven thousand. In 1968 the figure hit eighty-thousand, followed by forty-six thousand in 1969." (Hard Stuff, page 179)

[The_Victor]

So did the appeasement work, or just delay the inevitable?

[Casloy]

Ok France, what do you have to say about our secret CIA prisons in Europe now? Not such a bad idea, is it?

[The_Victor]

I guess they never taught American history at your school:

You can have a discussion without insults.

[gathersnomoss]

I have an in-law who stated that we should be more like the Europeans. I don't belive a weenie roast of this size is in our best interest.

[Clemenza]

Its OK, the state of education in America is atrocious. Its amazing how many young people are ignorant of even recent American history. I learned about the Newark riots both in history class, as well as first hand from older relatives who were on the police force at the time.

[uncbob]

PHILA NEWARK early 60s- Watts 65 -Almost all major cities after MLK was assasinated--LA 94

Burn and Loot for 3 or 4 days at a time
Jewish and Asian merchants wiped out
Buildings gutted by flames

Why do you think we have all this PC crap in our schools --quotas etc etc

Because of the riots

[Clemenza]

Believe it or not, it worked to a certain extent. Lower-level government jobs in those areas remain dominated by blacks, particularly black females, thus creating an employed African American lower middle class. Those black folks who refused to take advantage of the governments "bailouts" wound up in prison, hence the fact that black men account for over 50% of the prison population nationwide.

I once had a discussion with a Democratic activist in NY asking why didn't NY cut its bloated bureaucracy. He told me that if this were done, there would be riots all over the city. In other words, if the spigot were to get cut off, the steam would build up and explode the tank so to speak.

[uncbob]

You forgot all the major cities that went up after MLK was assasinated

[The_Victor]

Ya don't think that the inner city rioters in this country starting back in the 60s ain't been appeased

So, going back to your original question, I'd say the situation are vastly different. The so called "appeasement" of the 60s, where disenfranchised blacks in Detroit and Newark had their grievances addressed (albeit only after violence)is not the same thing as the French refusing to support a war in Iraq in a preemptive effort to appease their own Muslim communities.

[uncbob]

So did the appeasement work, or just delay the inevitable?

Yet to be determined

One thing riots never spilled over into whitey land

Our rioters know Americans are armed . Whether that will remain a deterent is a good question

Hope you have Firepower

[The_Victor]

Its OK, the state of education in America is atrocious. Its amazing how many young people are ignorant of even recent American history. I learned about the Newark riots both in history class, as well as first hand from older relatives who were on the police force at the time.

I remember it being taught, but being in Houston the event was somewhat distant, and not dwelt on. I needed a refresher to jog my memory as to the exact situation.

[Clemenza]

They called up my father's Tank unit from Fort Knox to put down the MLK riots in DC in 1968.