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This Muslim girl defied her father – and her lover paid with his life
The Times (UK) ^ | 11/5/05 | Daniel McGrory

Posted on 11/04/2005 4:43:04 PM PST by saquin

FOR daring to fall in love with a Muslim girl, an Oxford student was stabbed 46 times by her vengeful family, who showed no remorse yesterday as they were convicted of the teenager’s murder.

The girl’s father, Chomir Ali, 41, who bullied his two young British-born sons into killing Arash Ghorbani-Zarin, 19, boasted that the murder was to "vindicate the family’s honour" after the popular engineering student made Ali’s daughter pregnant.

With so-called honour killings on the increase in Britain, detectives described this as one of the most tragic cases they had encountered.

Friends of the lovers had warned them not to be seen holding hands in public but Mr Ghorbani-Zarin insisted that no number of threats would make him give up his girlfriend. Gentle-natured and a Muslim himself, he said that it was not his intention to insult her family but felt that he had nothing to hide or apologise for.

Manna Begum, 19, defied her father’s demand that she marry a man she had never met in Bangladesh and tried to kill herself after her family held her prisoner at home. Her father even tried to stop paramedics getting into the house to take his daughter to hospital after she slashed her wrists.

Days later, in October last year, she ran away after secretly getting engaged, but was forced to return to the family home.

Her boyfriend had taken a part-time job to support them and was on his way to collect Manna in his car when he was ambushed by her two brothers. The older brother, Muji Rahman, 19, trapped his victim with his seatbelt before stabbing him so violently in the chest that the tip of the blade broke.

The jury at Oxford Crown Court was told how Muji Rahman was a swaggering bully who, while condemning his sister’s behaviour for flouting the family’s strict Muslim code, had had sex before marriage, drank alcohol and rarely bothered to go to the mosque. After the killing in November last year he went out clubbing with friends in Oxford city centre.

His younger brother, Mamnoor, who was 15 at the time, described how he had often acted as a secret go-between for the lovers but was beaten and brainwashed by his bad-tempered father to take part in the murder.

Chomir Ali, who was out delivering takeaway meals while his sons carried out the murder, was arrested after his botched attempt to get rid of the knife and the killers’ bloodstained clothes.

Yesterday all three stared straight ahead, showing no emotion as the jury returned a unanimous guilty verdict. In the public gallery the family of the Iranian-born Mr Ghorbani-Zarin shouted at his killers and embraced detectives.

Police described how, after the murder, Miss Begum was forced into terminating her pregnancy.

Last night in a statement read by Detective Chief Inspector Steve Tolmie of Thames Valley Police, the parents of Mr Ghorbani-Zarin said: "This verdict gives us back some comfort that justice has been done but it does not bring him back."

During the case the victim’s father, Raheem Ghorbani-Zarin, 49, a civil engineer, condemned the way of thinking that led to his son’s murder. "I’m a Muslim too," he said. "But this is not something that Muslims support."

He said that, although obedience to one’s father in the Muslim community was important, there were limits to what children should obey. Mr Justice Gross warned all three that they faced life imprisonment but he adjourned setting the minimum terms.

Schoolfriends had introduced Miss Begum to the soft-spoken Mr Ghorbani-Zarin, who was studying at Oxford Brookes University. Rather than wear a Muslim headdress, she preferred to dress in jeans and hooded tops. When her father learnt of her relationship he stopped her from going to school or talking to anyone outside the family.

When her older brother, Muji, saw her with her boyfriend in a local shop he attacked her, hitting her three times in the face and threatening her partner. One of their friends, James Ware, said: "Arash loved Manna unconditionally. They both loved each other. How can that be so wrong?"

Jomsed Ali, 60, a member of Oxford’s Bangladeshi community, said that the actions of Chomir Ali and his sons had been condemned. He said: "What he did is very bad, for his family and his community. This is the first time I have ever seen this."

WOMEN IN FEAR

# Police say there is one honour killing a month

# They are reinvestigating 109 cases of women who disappeared or apparently committed suicide, to see if they were honour killings

# Women murdered in so-called honour killings come mainly from the Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities but there are cases from Bosnia, Kosovo and Turkey

# Suicide rates among Asian women aged 16 to 24 are nearly three times the national average, and double for 25 to 35-year olds

# Police are approached every week by an average of four women or girls who fear they will be victims of 'honour attacks' by family


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britain; eurabia; honorkillings; islam; muslimwomen; rop; uk

1 posted on 11/04/2005 4:43:05 PM PST by saquin
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To: saquin

One of the anecdotal UK TROP stories Prince Charles planned to lecture President Bush about?


2 posted on 11/04/2005 4:45:30 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: saquin
Muslim - the religion of ....?....um.....

Why does the civilized world put up with this?

LVM

3 posted on 11/04/2005 4:47:02 PM PST by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: saquin
The girl’s father, Chomir Ali, 41, who bullied his two young British-born sons into killing Arash Ghorbani-Zarin, 19, boasted that the murder was to "vindicate the family’s honour"

These type of people need to be erased from the human race!

4 posted on 11/04/2005 4:49:22 PM PST by rocksblues (I support the war on terror)
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To: saquin

Too bad for the guy. When you run with the scourge of the earth, this is what happens to you. The perps will probably get off on a technicality, too (cultural tolerance or some such nonsense).


5 posted on 11/04/2005 4:53:11 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: saquin
He said that, although obedience to one’s father in the Muslim community was important, there were limits to what children should obey. Mr Justice Gross warned all three that they faced life imprisonment but he adjourned setting the minimum terms.

Does this mean what I think it does? They all got the minimum sentence?

6 posted on 11/04/2005 4:54:00 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: saquin

Religion of Peace alert!


7 posted on 11/04/2005 4:54:31 PM PST by magellan ( by)
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To: saquin
Murder in the Muslim holy Ramadan tradition.

These creatures are the Krel without consciences!

IDiots all!!

8 posted on 11/04/2005 4:55:12 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: saquin
"I’m a Muslim too," he said. "But this is not something that Muslims support."

Then why aren't muslims condemning it? Helloooo, its' because they do support it.

9 posted on 11/04/2005 4:55:30 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: saquin
Too bad there's not a gibbet hanging off the Tower of London. I'd say stick all 3 of these bastards into one.

Why are we tolerating modern day thuggee cultists and their killing?

10 posted on 11/04/2005 4:57:16 PM PST by Centurion2000 ((Aubrey, Tx) --- America, we get the best government corporations can buy.)
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To: saquin

Was Morse on this case?


11 posted on 11/04/2005 5:03:26 PM PST by expatpat
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To: saquin

Well, he probably DID enhance his standing with the rest of the reprobates that constitute his social circle.

It would be a boost to our own honor if we deported (and in this case, execute) this sort of subhuman filth to their 13th century hellhole of turdistan or wherever they are from. They want Shariah law and rule by Taliban? Let em have it. It will be easier to bomb them all to hell with less collateral damage later.


12 posted on 11/04/2005 5:03:35 PM PST by M203M4
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To: DTogo

The tinfoil hatters think the British royal family had Diana killed to keep her from marrying a moslem. Wouldn't that be on the same level with moslem honor killings? I don't guess Charles can say very much.


13 posted on 11/04/2005 5:05:01 PM PST by kalee
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To: BigBobber

That's the way I read it too. What a disgrace.


14 posted on 11/04/2005 5:07:06 PM PST by asp1
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To: LasVegasMac
Why does the civilized world put up with this?


Strange...seems every other religion in the world is being bastardized and torn apart from liberalism, with the exception of islam. No one in the MSM dares to condemn these dark practices...


Where is the world going in these times...
15 posted on 11/04/2005 5:09:01 PM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: kalee
had Diana killed to keep her from marrying a moslem.


I believe she already married her first moslem, if you listen to the crap that Charles has been spewing out of his pie hole lately.
16 posted on 11/04/2005 5:11:45 PM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: saquin

Savages. Bloody savages.


17 posted on 11/04/2005 5:17:12 PM PST by FierceDraka (The Democratic Party - Aiding and Abetting The Enemies of America Since 1968)
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To: LasVegasMac

Because we (and our leaders) have lost the collective nerve to be as totally brutal with them as they are with us...(and their women).

And it's the Marxist among us promoting their terrorism against us....who we also lack the nerve to rid ourselves of.

imo


18 posted on 11/04/2005 5:17:52 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: saquin

What was the sentence? Did I miss it somewhere?


19 posted on 11/04/2005 5:18:21 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: saquin
Jomsed Ali, 60, a member of Oxford’s Bangladeshi community, said that the actions of Chomir Ali and his sons had been condemned. He said: "What he did is very bad, for his family and his community. This is the first time I have ever seen this."

Somehow I think that he protests too much...

20 posted on 11/04/2005 5:22:32 PM PST by Zeppo
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To: rocksblues

If this Mohammedan piece of s$#% was so boastful of his act, why was he trying to hide the bloody clothes and knife? They are basically cowards, pure and simple. If the ragheads had any real gonads, we'd go mano to mano and get rid of all the men. Then free the women, and, we'll get things back to normal.


21 posted on 11/04/2005 5:24:07 PM PST by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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To: FierceDraka

Animals would be more like it. Savages are to evoled for these people.


22 posted on 11/04/2005 5:39:06 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Texas_Jarhead
What was the sentence? Did I miss it somewhere?

I don't think they've been sentenced yet. This article didn't spell it out clearly but another article I read said, I think, that the judge was supposed to set the minimum terms of the sentence yesterday but postponed doing so until after a psychological report on the youngest son.

23 posted on 11/04/2005 5:42:48 PM PST by saquin
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To: saquin

Ah, ok. Thanks for responding. Appreciaate it.


24 posted on 11/04/2005 5:46:34 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: dagoofyfoot; joesnuffy
Strange...seems every other religion in the world is being bastardized and torn apart from liberalism, with the exception of islam. No one in the MSM dares to condemn these dark practices...

Sometimes, if I think about it long enough - it scares the crap out of me.

We have our very own political party - the 'Rats - doing everything they can to destroy / erase / remove any reference to religion.

We have our very own judicial process judicial circus telling us that parents are not the final authority for your kids sexual education.

And no one wants to mention the elephant - actually, two of them - standing in the living room.

Islam / Muslim (I make no distinction - just me) trying to ...what ?....convert everyone by force....re-conquer the world.....and world governments put up with the crap.

What is the first action your computer virus software takes when it finds a virus? Quarintine. Then sanitize. Then delete.

Our borders. We need state of the art virus "filters" in place.

The likes of the ACLU and our current judicial process are the Trojan horse of all times.

I hate to think this way, but damn.........

LVM

25 posted on 11/04/2005 5:48:14 PM PST by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: saquin
DIVERSITY! Ain't it grand!!!
26 posted on 11/04/2005 5:48:31 PM PST by Savage Beast ("Take note America. Keep the liberals out of power or we'll have the same thing here. "~MikeA)
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To: BigBobber

I think it is just the clipped way the British have of saying things. As I interpret it (after re-reading it a couple times), the judge chose not to set the minimum sentence the "men" will serve until a later date and the court was adjourned.


27 posted on 11/04/2005 6:43:45 PM PST by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense!)
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To: LasVegasMac
Your thinking makes too much sense for the government...


I heard Rush say yesterday that if the government tried to build a horse, it would look like a camel.


It is becoming scary, where will we be in 10 years if the liberals, (ACLU) has there way with us?
28 posted on 11/04/2005 6:57:21 PM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: saquin

These people are disturbed, in so many ways.....


29 posted on 11/04/2005 9:17:26 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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