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Fuel's paradise? Power source that turns physics on its head
The Guardian ^ | Friday November 4, 2005 | Alok Jha, science correspondent

Posted on 11/04/2005 5:06:51 PM PST by Anthem

· Scientist says device disproves quantum theory
· Opponents claim idea is result of wrong maths

It seems too good to be true: a new source of near-limitless power that costs virtually nothing, uses tiny amounts of water as its fuel and produces next to no waste. If that does not sound radical enough, how about this: the principle behind the source turns modern physics on its head.

Randell Mills, a Harvard University medic who also studied electrical engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims to have built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have verified the experiments and Dr Mills says that his company, Blacklight Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to bring the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crackpot; dontholdyourbreath; energy; huckster; hydrino; hydrogen; hydrogenenergy; newhydrogen; perpetualmotion; quantum; scam
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1 posted on 11/04/2005 5:06:52 PM PST by Anthem
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To: PatrickHenry; AntiGuv

for your lists


2 posted on 11/04/2005 5:08:06 PM PST by Anthem (The only 20th century advance in the science of government was to tax a little less to take more.)
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To: Anthem

He "studied at MIT". I wonder if he passed.


3 posted on 11/04/2005 5:09:00 PM PST by mhx
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To: Anthem

Perpetual motion machine of the month.


4 posted on 11/04/2005 5:09:20 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Anthem

bttt


5 posted on 11/04/2005 5:09:46 PM PST by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: Anthem

This guy doesn't live in Lagos, Nigeria does he?


6 posted on 11/04/2005 5:09:47 PM PST by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: blam; Dark Wing

But does it prove Intelligent Design is more than snake-handling?


7 posted on 11/04/2005 5:10:38 PM PST by Thud
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To: Anthem

Blacklight. Nevermind.


8 posted on 11/04/2005 5:10:53 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Anthem

"the principle behind the source turns modern physics on its head."

And I thought scientific paradigms couldn't be wrong. ;o)


9 posted on 11/04/2005 5:11:10 PM PST by conservativepoet
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To: mhx

He is a medic. Maybe EE doesn't get one a job anymore.


10 posted on 11/04/2005 5:12:02 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: conservativepoet
And I thought scientific paradigms couldn't be wrong. ;o)

Paradigms are what you learn about sitting on a metal folding chair watching a slide slow. You can use them to make as much money as you want -- it's up to you.

11 posted on 11/04/2005 5:12:36 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Anthem; AntiGuv
Thanks for the ping. Maybe antiguv wants to run with this, but it's a bit too much like Art Bell for my taste.
12 posted on 11/04/2005 5:12:52 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: Anthem

I hope this really works, and the sooner, the better!!


13 posted on 11/04/2005 5:14:56 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Anthem
The next cold fusion device or n machine.

This will be debunked by Monday, there is an error or anomaly.

I hope it is true, but it likely is not.
14 posted on 11/04/2005 5:14:57 PM PST by mmercier (a long acquaintance with sorrow)
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To: Anthem

History of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines

http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html


15 posted on 11/04/2005 5:15:36 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Perpetual motion machine of the month.

I don't know. It's from the Guardian. Have they ever been wrong?

16 posted on 11/04/2005 5:16:23 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Anthem

Even the quantum physicists admit that quantum physics is not a complete theory. On the other hand, I suspect that this is another "cold fusion" idea.


17 posted on 11/04/2005 5:17:46 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: PatrickHenry
Paradigms are what you learn about sitting on a metal folding chair watching a slide slow.

I thought they're what you got from sitting too long on a metal folding chair watching a slide slow.

18 posted on 11/04/2005 5:18:17 PM PST by Erasmus (Getting captivated by modern music leads to Stockhausen Syndrome.)
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To: Anthem

Wow! New quantum states for the electron! Why, that's... that's hard to believe.


19 posted on 11/04/2005 5:18:36 PM PST by emiller
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To: longshadow; VadeRetro; balrog666; general_re; RadioAstronomer; js1138; whattajoke; Shryke; ...
Yet Another Revolutionary Free Energy Source and Investment Opportunity Ping List

20 posted on 11/04/2005 5:19:08 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: Anthem

I changed my mind. I had to ping it.


21 posted on 11/04/2005 5:19:51 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: Anthem
"And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation."

Big oil better hurry up and buy him out just like they did with the 100 mpg carburetor.

Tinfoil makes my scalp itchy!

22 posted on 11/04/2005 5:20:04 PM PST by Conservative Firster
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To: conservativepoet
And I thought scientific paradigms couldn't be wrong. ;o)

Actually, the whole point of science is that hypotheses, theories and paradigms can be proven wrong - which I'm betting this guy is about to find out. However, if he is right, this would be an amazing development...

And yes, I do understand that you're being flippant. :-)

23 posted on 11/04/2005 5:22:21 PM PST by A. Goodwin
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To: Anthem

I know Pacificorp and other US utilities invested in this company in the late 1990s. I wondered then if anything would come of it. Let's see what happens.


24 posted on 11/04/2005 5:22:37 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: muawiyah
This guy doesn't live in Lagos, Nigeria does he?

haha
25 posted on 11/04/2005 5:22:39 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Anthem

I'd like to see it work but I'm a doubting Thomas until I see it validated.


26 posted on 11/04/2005 5:23:51 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: Anthem

Title is wrong it should be Fool's paradise?


27 posted on 11/04/2005 5:24:03 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (I shot an error into the air. It's still going everywhere. R. A. HEINLEIN)
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To: PatrickHenry

This Blacklight scam pops up year after year. Often featured on FR. If anybody is interested, there are several fairly interesting but hopeless books out about zero-point energy; if your local bookstore carries an astrology section they may have some on the shelves. If not they may special order; or not.


28 posted on 11/04/2005 5:26:18 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: A. Goodwin

I agree with you. When you have tens of millions of dollars waiting to invest in your project, then something has got to be real here.

I remember the guys that tried to get the scientific community to believe that bacteria caused a substantial percentage of stomach ulcers, they were laughed out of the medical community until they were proven right. I believe these same guys won Nobel prizes this year for their discovery. That's why I'm personally leary about the perception of science's god-like view of the universe.


29 posted on 11/04/2005 5:29:46 PM PST by conservativepoet
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To: PatrickHenry
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!

Article information content: 0.0%
Pseudoscience content: 100.0%

I guess they are lining up new "investment" money.

30 posted on 11/04/2005 5:30:43 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Anthem

Randell Mills' hydrogen idea has been kicking around since 1989 ( http://www.cheniere.org/misc/mills.htm ). If Chubby Checker can make an entire career out The Twist, I guess Mills can keep living off research dollars from this 20 year old idea.


31 posted on 11/04/2005 5:31:44 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: Anthem
Its probably been 2+ years since we had a Blacklight Power thread.

Blacklight home page

32 posted on 11/04/2005 5:31:47 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Anthem

Sounds too good to be true, but hope is eternal. How about this idea for improving the efficiency of the good old internal combustion engine?

http://somender-singh.com/


33 posted on 11/04/2005 5:36:13 PM PST by Techster
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To: Erasmus

One undeniable fact about quantum mechanics is that a metal folding chair is the second-best conductor of a fart. The best is a church pew.
I have done extensive research in this field.


34 posted on 11/04/2005 5:37:46 PM PST by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: PatrickHenry

And yet the scientifically-illiterate will eat this up.


35 posted on 11/04/2005 5:40:08 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Anthem

Here we go again.


36 posted on 11/04/2005 5:40:42 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Anthem

37 posted on 11/04/2005 5:45:48 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: Anthem
Scientist says device disproves quantum theory

Interesting statement there, since Quantum Theory supposedly disproves itself within its own radical postulations. But then again, quantum theory predicts that transistors should not work while at the same time predicts that they should work. Sort of like avionics predicts that a Bumble Bee shouldn't be able to fly, while at the same time there is the Bumble Bee buzzing along happily in the air :)

38 posted on 11/04/2005 5:49:05 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Anthem
Venture capitalist's, hold your wallet tight!

a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat

Beans have that effect on me...

39 posted on 11/04/2005 5:49:21 PM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: Anthem
Blacklight Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to bring the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation.

Sounds like what he was saying several years ago.

40 posted on 11/04/2005 5:50:49 PM PST by fso301
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To: PatrickHenry
I guess that makes you truly the conservative :). Here's some more background info on Mills:.
41 posted on 11/04/2005 5:51:48 PM PST by Anthem (The only 20th century advance in the science of government was to tax a little less to take more.)
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To: ModelBreaker
It's from the Guardian. Have they ever been wrong?

I don't know. I have trouble getting past page 3.
42 posted on 11/04/2005 5:54:22 PM PST by wolfpat (Congress is the only whorehouse in America that loses money.)
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To: Mr_Moonlight
Sort of like avionics predicts that a Bumble Bee shouldn't be able to fly...

"Avionics" is shorthand for "aviation electronics." What does this have to do with bumble bees?

43 posted on 11/04/2005 5:54:32 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Junior

My mistake, wrong word there ... should have said aerodynamics


44 posted on 11/04/2005 6:01:09 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Mr_Moonlight
Sort of like avionics predicts that a Bumble Bee shouldn't be able to fly...

That's aerodynamics. Avionics merely says the Bumble Bee isn't equipped to fly IFR.

45 posted on 11/04/2005 6:01:22 PM PST by Grut
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To: Junior
The "science" behind this invention may be questionable at best. But if it performs the required function (heating water) with significantly lower power requirements than any other known method the science would take a back seat to sheer market demand.

We hear about these inventions all the time, maybe once the skeptic's will be proven wrong, wouldn't that be wonderful? When they are proven wrong (they will eventually) they will join the ranks of people who thought the earth was flat and the universe revolved around the earth.
46 posted on 11/04/2005 6:02:47 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Techster

If it sounds too good to be true, IT IS.

Think about it: if this energy idea was so obvious, don't you think someone would have discovered it long before now?

Common sense defeats fraudsters and charlatans every time.


47 posted on 11/04/2005 6:03:11 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Grut

LOL!


48 posted on 11/04/2005 6:05:19 PM PST by Buck W. (Yesterday's Intelligentsia are today's Irrelevantsia.)
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To: Anthem
From the patent:

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49 posted on 11/04/2005 6:09:28 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: canuck_conservative

This is not necessarily true.

Take radio, for example. The modulation, if you tried to listen on just a plain wire, you would not be able to hear anything.

Only when you hook it up to a diode does the waveform that we audibly hear emerge.

Radio is a remarkably simple idea. But unless you have a way of chopping off and throwing away that lower half of the waveform, you would never hear it.


50 posted on 11/04/2005 6:10:20 PM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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