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Intifada in France
Chronicles Magazine ^ | Friday, November 04, 2005 | Srdja Trifkovic

Posted on 11/04/2005 6:26:58 PM PST by A. Pole

The northern industrial suburbs of Paris suffered the worst of eight consecutive nights of rioting on November 3-4. Disorder has now spread to dozens of provincial towns, including Dijon, the first city outside Ile-de-France (the metropolitan region) to be affected by unrest. Hundreds of cars, as well as schools, stores, and warehouses have been torched or ransacked. A disabled French woman, unable to escape from a bus set alight by the rioters in Sevran (Dept. Seine-Saint-Denis), was badly burned. Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy noted “a great coordination” among rioters, hinting that the unrest was far from spontaneous.

The rioters are mainly young, French-born North African males. Last week in the Parisian banlieu of Clichy-sous-Bois—a concrete and steel high-rise monstrosity that is now over 80 percent Muslim—they rose in anger when two teenagers were accidentally electrocuted while hiding from the police in a fenced-off area housing a high-voltage pylon. Shouting “Allahu akbar!” groups of youths armed with clubs and sticks went on a rampage forcing the regular police to retreat. When the riot police came in force to reclaim the area, the protests became focused on the demand that the French police get out of the “occupied territories.” The trouble would be ended, various Muslim “community leaders” claimed, if the French authorities accepted that there were de facto no-go areas within the country which should be self-administered. “All we demand is to be left alone,” said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local “emirs” engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities.

The demand is not new and it will be made with increasing frequency in the years to come. Many Muslims in France and elsewhere in Europe already consider themselves de facto autonomous, a community justifiably opposed to the broader society of infidels and centered on mosques and Islamic centers. The emergence of a huge diaspora of the faithful away from the heartland is seen by pious Muslims as an event archetypically linked to conquest. The demand for the predominantly Muslim areas to be granted communal self-rule will inevitably lead to the clamoring for the sharia law in a segregated Muslim France.

Assimilation is no longer a viable option in France, the country that used to pride itself on its ability to turn foreigners into Frenchmen. That was possible with the Italians, Spaniards, Poles and Russians becauyse they were culturally assimilable and because they came in tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands even (e.g., the non-French Pieds-Noirs), but not in the millions. The Muslims now account for ten percent of France’s population and for more than one-fifth of all newborns. They live in compact communities in which it is no longer possible to buy wine in a local store or to see Amelie in a cinema. Their leaders regard their faith and culture as superior to that of the host society. Those who have doubts wisely keep quiet.

Young Muslim men direct particular violence against Muslim women who try to follow French ways. Many French-born Arab girls in the ghettos resort to wearing hijab as the only protection against face-slashings and gang rapes. Not having one makes a girl fair game for both. (A knife slash across the cheek from the lip to the ear is common, and known as a “smile.”) Samira Bellil, a third-generation woman of Algerian origin, has written a book about the hell of the suburban ghettos. She was was gang raped by three people she knew, but could not say anything because her family would be dishonored. She recalls the case of a girl who was raped in a school: “Of course, everybody knew, but they’re so afraid of these young men that they prefer to close their eyes. That’s the price of peace in the ghettos.”

This reality is light years away from the desire of Gilles Kepel, President Jacques Chirac’s advisor on Islamic affairs, to create “an Andalusia” of multi-denominational tolerance in France. As French commentator Yves Charles Zarka, director of Cités, has warned, even that price cannot maintain the semblance of peace for long because the roots of “ideological Islamism” are deep and enduring among the young rioters. France is experiencing “a central phase of the more general and mutually conflicting encounter between the West and Islam, which only someone completely blind or of radical bad faith, or possibly of disconcerting naiveté, could fail to recognize.” Outside the ghettos the price of a wider societal “peace” is a complex web of lies and half-truths by which the elite class has sought to conceal the truth about what it has done to the French nation.

The real cause of the French intifada is the enormous growth, dysfunctionality, and arrogant self-confidence of the Muslim immigrant community within France, coupled with the cultural enfeeblement and demographic decline of the French nation. The mix is dangerous. Its result has been stated with haughty arrogance by Tariq Ramadan, professor of Islamic studies at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland and a grandson of Hasan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. Ramadan proposes through his teachings and writings that Muslims in the West should conduct themselves not as hyphenated citizens seeking to live by “common values” but as though they were already living in a Muslim-majority society and were exempt on that account from having to make concessions to the faith of others. Muslims in non-Muslim countries should feel themselves entitled to live on their own terms—while, under the terms of Western liberal tolerance, society as a whole should feel obliged to respect that choice.

That “liberal tolerance” and the accompanying “societal obligation,” is the true enemy. “No other race subscribes to these moral principles… because they are weapons of self-annihilation.” They need to be understood for what they are, and discarded, if France is to survive.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: eu; europe; france; french; immigration; islam; muslim; paris; parisriots; riots
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1 posted on 11/04/2005 6:26:59 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole

"This reality is light years away from the desire of Gilles Kepel, President Jacques Chirac’s advisor on Islamic affairs, to create “an Andalusia” of multi-denominational tolerance in France."

In many ways, it's already too late for France. The mandate is to convert Christians and destroy the Jews. When will the world wake up?


2 posted on 11/04/2005 6:31:36 PM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: A. Pole
What they need is a free Frogistan.

Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

3 posted on 11/04/2005 6:32:03 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: A. Pole

My God. This is a civil war, for crying out loud! You think it will end here? This fool in the article says there are de-facto "self-rule" areas. Sounds like separatism to me. What a horrible first place for it to break out! It couldn't possibly be worse - the French will knuckle under, and will serve as an example for dozens of movements to come, not the least of which will be Britain and the US.

I think it's time I finally went and bought a pisol.


4 posted on 11/04/2005 6:32:35 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: A. Pole

Ok, here is one of those opportunities to coin a new phrase for the lexicon. Should we call this the "Francefada" or the "Frank-O-Fada" or maybe the "Intifroga" or what? If Dennmark decends into the same chaos, maybe "Eurofada"?


5 posted on 11/04/2005 6:32:38 PM PST by Richard Axtell (what to believe? good question...)
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To: A. Pole
"Shouting “Allahu akbar!” groups of youths armed with clubs and sticks went on a rampage forcing the regular police to retreat."

The French!

6 posted on 11/04/2005 6:33:22 PM PST by lormand (Dead people vote DemocRAT)
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To: A. Pole

"The real cause of the French intifada is the enormous growth, dysfunctionality, and arrogant self-confidence of the Muslim immigrant community within France, coupled with the cultural enfeeblement and demographic decline of the French nation. The mix is dangerous. Its result has been stated with haughty arrogance by Tariq Ramadan, professor of Islamic studies at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland and a grandson of Hasan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. Ramadan proposes through his teachings and writings that Muslims in the West should conduct themselves not as hyphenated citizens seeking to live by “common values” but as though they were already living in a Muslim-majority society and were exempt on that account from having to make concessions to the faith of others. Muslims in non-Muslim countries should feel themselves entitled to live on their own terms—while, under the terms of Western liberal tolerance, society as a whole should feel obliged to respect that choice.

THIS, my friends, is exactly what we have been saying is the true nature of the problem.

The entire earth is not safe while these sadistic murders are on it.


7 posted on 11/04/2005 6:34:04 PM PST by austinaero
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To: domenad

I agree we all need to get a passel of pissols.


8 posted on 11/04/2005 6:34:07 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: domenad

What the hell, buy two! You have two hands, don't ya?


9 posted on 11/04/2005 6:35:01 PM PST by austinaero
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To: Richard Axtell

Danskefada.


10 posted on 11/04/2005 6:35:35 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Paladin2

Reminds of that Monty Python line in 'Life of Brian' where the Roman ruler's name was 'Biggus Diccus.'

Biggus Diccus and a passel of pisols!


11 posted on 11/04/2005 6:36:20 PM PST by austinaero
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To: A. Pole
She was was gang raped by three people she knew, but could not say anything because her family would be dishonored.
Religion of Peace.
12 posted on 11/04/2005 6:36:21 PM PST by samtheman
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To: domenad

The numbers are on our side-----so far !


13 posted on 11/04/2005 6:38:05 PM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: domenad

I want a pisol too!


14 posted on 11/04/2005 6:39:26 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
This reality is light years away from the desire of Gilles Kepel, President Jacques Chirac’s advisor on Islamic affairs, to create "an Andalusia" of multi-denominational tolerance in France.

More about the New Andalusia at THE FUTURE THROUGH FRENCH EYES:

[...] This French alternative [...] aims to create the "New Andalusia", a 21st-century version of what Kepel imagines Spain to have been under Muslim rule, this time in the whole of the European Union. Kepel does not say who will rule but waxes lyrical about his Islamo-Christian Utopia.

"Andalusia must come to symbolise a place where the hybridisation and flowering of two distinct cultures can produce an extraordinary progress in civilisation.[...]

15 posted on 11/04/2005 6:39:27 PM PST by A. Pole (Rubicon: the border between Republic and Empire(www.unrv.com/fall-republic/crossing-the-rubicon.php))
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To: Richard Axtell

"Intifroga" does it for me---thanks for the much needed laugh!


16 posted on 11/04/2005 6:41:15 PM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: A. Pole

This is the fight I been waiting for 1200 years!!! REMEMBER ROLAND!! FIGHT IN THE NAME OF CHARLEMAGNE!!! FIGHT FOR MARTEL THE HAMMER!!! FIGHT FOR THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!!!


17 posted on 11/04/2005 6:42:21 PM PST by Porterville (Pray for War- Spanish by birth, American by the Grace of God!!!)
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To: DannyTN

ARRRGGHHHH! PISTOL PISTOL PISTOL! It was my wireless keyboard, it's dropping characters! Really!


18 posted on 11/04/2005 6:43:21 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: austinaero
"Reminds of that Monty Python line in 'Life of Brian' where the Roman ruler's name was 'Biggus Diccus.' "

Do you remember his wife's name?

Continentius Buttocks

19 posted on 11/04/2005 6:44:13 PM PST by lormand (Dead people vote DemocRAT)
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To: Porterville

I thought that Delay was "the hammer". Now I'm confused?


20 posted on 11/04/2005 6:44:14 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: A. Pole
The same story will be printed in the NYT anytime now.< / snicker >

The only good thing is, hopefully this will be a wake up call for Britain, Germany and Spain to address this "problem" before this is fully integrated into their countries.

21 posted on 11/04/2005 6:44:51 PM PST by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: A. Pole

An intifada is exactly what it is.


22 posted on 11/04/2005 6:45:26 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: Paladin2
I confuse you a little more;

Roland was killed by the Basque, but I like to perpetuate rumor :)

23 posted on 11/04/2005 6:45:32 PM PST by Porterville (Pray for War- Spanish by birth, American by the Grace of God!!!)
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To: Fzob

Worth reading


24 posted on 11/04/2005 6:45:46 PM PST by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: samtheman

Because it was probably her family that did it and now the only way she will bring honor to the family is to either kill herself outright, or become a martyr, aka suicide bomber....

Does her reward include 72 virgin men? I never heard how the women are supposed to be rewarded.


25 posted on 11/04/2005 6:45:50 PM PST by austinaero
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To: Popman

The NY Times headline will read:

"Disaffected Minorities continue demonstrations and Protests"


26 posted on 11/04/2005 6:47:02 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: lormand

Oh, I thought that was the name of the lady in the news yesterday that used superglue on her ex-lover's privates...

lol and OUCH!


27 posted on 11/04/2005 6:47:51 PM PST by austinaero
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To: Paladin2

Round up the usual suspects. Of course, France will be the first to crumble. Von Moltke went through them in six weeks in the Franco-Prussian War and they've never recovered. On the upside, there is nothing to fear from the European Union and there is a cure for the Brussels bureaucracy. Get ready for the United States of Eurabia.


28 posted on 11/04/2005 6:47:58 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: domenad
My 1993 Gateway2000 Anykey keyboard that I bought used (and has tag indicating that it was used in a university computer lab - some of the keys are VERY polished) does the same (and worse) on occasion.
29 posted on 11/04/2005 6:48:54 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: A. Pole
It is time for France to dust off this guy...


30 posted on 11/04/2005 6:49:10 PM PST by lormand (Dead people vote DemocRAT)
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To: timsbella

Convert Christians and destroy the Jews? Oh that's not all.

I work with a girl originally from Sweeden. A friend of hers, working in the imigrationoffice told her that at the meetings held about becoming Swedish citizens men were told to marry as many Swedish women as they could. This would of course result in the comversion of the wife but also, lots of Muslim children.

This is about "watering down" any society they infiltrate until it is dominated by their religious law.


31 posted on 11/04/2005 6:49:11 PM PST by Apple Blossom (Rush's home page girl)
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To: domenad

".....for dozens of movements to come, not the least of which will be Britain and the US."

I have hope for the U.S.A., we are a well armed citizenry and tend to protect our community when pushed too hard.

The neighborhoods in New Orleans that took up arms to protect their property , in face of what the government was telling them, was a very good sign.

This may be happening in France, but if it comes to the U.S., it will be met with a different attitude. I am confident of this.




32 posted on 11/04/2005 6:49:13 PM PST by Peace will be here soon ((Liberal definition of looting: "Self-help Humanitarian Aid."))
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To: domenad
accepted that there were de facto no-go areas within the country which should be self-administered.

Hey it worked in Serbia!!!! Send in the UN to set up another Euro-based, terrorist-funding, narcotics hub!!! The Klintoon legacy strikes again.

33 posted on 11/04/2005 6:49:14 PM PST by lizma
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To: austinaero
Does her reward include 72 virgin men? I never heard how the women are supposed to be rewarded.
She gets her virginity back and gets to join with 71 others?
34 posted on 11/04/2005 6:49:29 PM PST by samtheman
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To: A. Pole; Vicomte13
“All we demand is to be left alone,” said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local “emirs”

Jeez, this Vicomte13 fella who thinks he is a real expert not only on France but also the USA claims that the real problem is that the France has failed to fully integrate the Muslims into French society. Vicomte13's solution is to give all the Muslim punks government jobs.
35 posted on 11/04/2005 6:50:08 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: domenad
The NY Times headline will read: "Disaffected Minorities continue demonstrations and Protests"

Sub titled: Why are they mad at Bush failed policies towards France

36 posted on 11/04/2005 6:50:58 PM PST by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Peace will be here soon

My wife pointed that out to me even as I wrote it. She's always right, and I think you are too.


37 posted on 11/04/2005 6:51:00 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: lormand

Charlemagne was said to have wept at the sight of Viking ships in the North Sea. The guy they need now is Charles Martel, the Hammer of the Franks.


38 posted on 11/04/2005 6:52:17 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: Paladin2

What they need is to be occupied by some other country which will put these jihadist vermin down.


39 posted on 11/04/2005 6:53:49 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Richard Axtell

Let's just call it what it is: war


40 posted on 11/04/2005 6:54:33 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: Warthogtjm
This guy?


41 posted on 11/04/2005 6:56:01 PM PST by lormand (Dead people vote DemocRAT)
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To: A. Pole
"The real cause of the French intifada is the enormous growth, dysfunctionality, and arrogant self-confidence of the Muslim immigrant community within France, coupled with the cultural enfeeblement and demographic decline of the French nation."

Now that is what I call calling a spade a spade.
42 posted on 11/04/2005 6:56:26 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: lormand

Il est le hom!


43 posted on 11/04/2005 6:57:15 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: Warthogtjm
I'll bet his descendants emigrated west.
44 posted on 11/04/2005 6:58:11 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: A. Pole
How sick, backward, and rigid these muslims be. When the world realizes it's not a small minority who think this way, there may have be a day of reckoning.
45 posted on 11/04/2005 6:58:47 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: Warthogtjm
Actually it was this battle that saved Europe from the Arabs...


46 posted on 11/04/2005 7:00:08 PM PST by lormand (Dead people vote DemocRAT)
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To: Paladin2

Accross the sea, no doubt.


47 posted on 11/04/2005 7:00:35 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: austinaero
I never heard how the women are supposed to be rewarded.

I figured they would never have to see another muslim male for the rest of eternity but if that was true, they would all be doing it.

48 posted on 11/04/2005 7:00:39 PM PST by lizma
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To: austinaero

"(Muslims) were exempt on that account from having to make concessions to the faith of others....(However,) under the terms of Western liberal tolerance, society as a whole should feel obliged to respect that choice"


Thus does tolerance become totalitarianism inversed.


49 posted on 11/04/2005 7:01:49 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: A. Pole

"Disorder has now spread to dozens of provincial towns, including Dijon"

Damn - where do we go for mustard now? At least the Aussies are making good wine. I can't remember the last time I drank a French wine.


50 posted on 11/04/2005 7:02:56 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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