Those Safe Liberal Crooks (Ted Byfield On Why Ontario Fears Western Canada Alert)

Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 11/05/05 | Ted Byfield

[albertabound]

Canadians are Americans that know how to make love in a canoe.

[albertabound]

You could be in for a big surprise, much of the so-called anti-Americanism is really just "penis envy" which is all we have to differentiate us and create some kind of self identity, particularly among the Anglo's. Quebec choses France as it's role model even though they were abandoned by the French 350 years ago.

Do not confuse politics with reality. We huddle along the northern border, constantly eavesdropping and doing our best to emulate your sucesses, avoid your failures, deflect your excesses and participate in the benefits spawned by your financial powerhouse and expertise.

Based on that, we create a society that probably is closer to the idealistic America envisioned by the Founding Fathers. Hence the smug superiority, condescendance and envy because in order to enjoy this perch, we have to freeze our asses off each winter.

[GMMAC]

"Pretty damn sad that one large province can run the whole country down the toilet."

Canada = 10 provinces
U.S.A = 50 states

Just to be fair, it's not difficult to draw a parallel to - and make a list of - 5 big states consistently attempting to do exactly the same thing.

Shall we start the list with New York?
Although, again in fairness and like Ontario, once you get beyond its urban areas it's chockablock full of wonderful decent folks who most definitely didn't vote for Hillary and/or Chuckie.

BTW, precisely the sort of Senate reform you've mentioned has long been near the top of most - even Ontario-based - Canadian Conservatives' agendas.

[GMMAC]

"Yeah. I've had the same experience in Ontario. They don't like Americans."

This really depends upon where you go and who you meet.
I avoid Buffalo because I find it full of numerous varieties of trashy, negative types. I go to Niagara Falls next door and, even though it's seemingly less economically well off, find lots of absolutely marvelous, friendly and openly patriotic Americans.
(I'm guessing this relates somewhat to its Military base?)

Never forget that countless families - like both my wife's and mine - have branches on both sides of our largely artificial border and blood, at least to conservatives, runs much thicker than water.

[skinkinthegrass]

Hence the smug superiority, condescendance and envy because in order to enjoy this perch, we have to freeze our asses off each winter

...and drive down thru I-75 to FloriDuh. :D

[albertabound]

Actually, I go by Westjet down to see Mickey.

[skinkinthegrass]

Actually, I go by Westjet down to see Mickey

...Don't blame you, one bit...3 1/2 days is a long drive -vs- 3+ hrs Wide Body Jet...fly the happy skies. :)

[GMMAC]

These would have been half truths coupled with with undue simplifications and generalizations fifty or sixty years ago. Now, given that they ignore virtually all that has changed since WWII, they're even more misleading and of even less value.

As but two examples, your analysis completely ignores the decided impact of - not only post-WWII - but all 20th century immigration. Plus, aside from a primarily non-British influx having more than left its mark, what of the somewhere in the vicinity of 100,000 generally well educated and well connected U.S. draft dodgers and military deserters who arrived here in the 60's and early 70's?

Like socialist cadres anywhere, they've since wormed their way into virtually every culturally and politically sensitive nook and cranny in the nation. Next time you hear especially virulent anti-Americanism coming from up this way, if you follow it back to the source, odds are you'll find either one these vermin or someone they've helped brainwash within our public schools and universities.

While this isn't to say there hasn't been historic rivalry between the two nations, actions and attitudes related to World Wars I & II and Korea attest that it was principally of a 'between brothers' nature prior to the Vietnam-era arrival of the literal dregs of American society.

On a personal basis, I find your 'High Tory' theorizations and generalizations with respect to Canadian Conservatives especially offensive.
My family, aside from having paid its social and military dues over the same time-frame, can document its Conservative ties going back almost a century. Yet, my paternal grandmother chose to receive her nursing education stateside and was decorated for her WWI service in America's Harvard Surgical Unit. Further, both my wife and I are proud to have cousins who served in Vietnam - including one listed on the 'Black Wall' in Washington DC.

In short, here's the authentic face of "TRUE BLUE" Canadian Conservativism with respect to America:

BTW, I know, I was there...
... in downtown Toronto, Ontario.

[fanfan]

Bump!

[Fred Nerks]

Wow! That sounds as if it's terminal! (And a great history lesson btw.)

[Fair Go]

Obviously a heavy immigration policy impacts on a nation. In recent times, attention has been drawn to the rise of anti-semitism in Canada, a blight on any nation. Some have pointed out that this phenomenon has occurred alongside an increase in Islamic fundamentalism in Canada. Anti-Americanism also goes hand in hand with Islamic fundamentalism. Again this is endemic in Canada and in many other parts of the world - do I have to mention France? Immigration can no doubt change a nation, and not always for the best. All countries that are encouraging immigration need to look at the potential long-term effects. Unfortunately, political correctness has prevented this. The sooner the political correct accept the reality that not all cultures are compatible the better off everyone will be. How, for example, can you reconcile the position of women in Western culture with that of women in Islamic culture? What will happen to women if Islamic culture becomes the dominant culture? It is not the past we have to fear but the future.

[NZerFromHK]

Canada's immigration policy is very extreme non-assimilationist. So much so that new immigrants are felt that they are rebuilding replicas of their former home countries in Toronto, Vancouver, or Montreal.

Having said this, English Canada doesn't have much Muslim problems - yet. Most of the Islamic problems in Canada are confined to Islamic immigrants to Toronto. Presumably becasue there are still a relatively small number of Muslims in English Canada at this stage. In Vancouver and Toronto Chinese, Indians, and Jamacians seem to predominate.

So I don't think anti-Americanism in Canada is due to Muslims (as is the case in some Western Euroepan countries). The rot is already set among the native populations.

[Sam Gamgee]

A Western split off would not likely work, as BC is a fairly leftist province.

[Sam Gamgee]

But isn't Montana full of tree hugging wing nuts that shut down their mining industry?

[NZerFromHK]

I feel that even though the leftists in BC are leftists, from their rhetoric they are far more "American" from the Tory-influenced anti-American people from Ontario. Read enough articles from leftist or MSM in Canada that Victoria and Vancouver's lefties don't get along well with the fellow lefties from Ontario/Quebec.

This phenomenon has even extended to ethnic immigrants. I'm Chinese and I know HK migrants living in Vancouver frequently taunt those who chose to immigrate to Toronto (snow, boredom, etc), and vice versa (mansions, filthy rich).

To be honest, I can talk a great deal of sense with you guys in the West than those "in the East". You share a lot more in common with America, Australia, and even NZ (whenever NZ is entering the conservative episodes) than the High Tory socialists in Ontario, French socialists in Quebec, or welfare-dependent Maritimes people. It is a shame why the area from Manitoba right up to coastal BC is not a separate country from Canada.

[Sam Gamgee]

There is a sort of elitism out east, among Tories as well, that creates a rift with the West. A poll showed that 50% of BC viewers don't bother watching the CBC. We are not as extreme left as white butter (or is it anti-white butter) Quebecois? And I don't believe our leftism results in anti-semitism, while back east, guest speakers from Israel have been protested on University campuses.

[Sam Gamgee]

There is a sort of elitism out east, among Tories as well, that creates a rift with the West. A poll showed that 50% of BC viewers don't bother watching the CBC. We are not as extreme left as white butter (or is it anti-white butter) Quebecois? And I don't believe our leftism results in anti-semitism, while back east, guest speakers from Israel have been protested on University campuses.

[GMMAC]

"English Canada doesn't have much Muslim problems - yet."

Dunno, I'd say bus loads of Islamofascist types trucked in at the last minute from a local Mosque to provide the despicable Carolyn Parrish with her re-nomination margin of victory prior to our most recent general election constituted a bit of a problem.

BTW, it's somewhat amazing that someone who couldn't possibly be more geographically remote from Canada presumes to possess such encyclopedic knowledge regarding her.
However, was it a few gaps therein which precluded any answer to my post above in response to your #8 which, with its archaic terms and reek of colonial angst sounded for all the world like it was largely cribbed from some left-of-center schoolboy text?
Plus, if you really had the comprehensive grasp of Canadian demographics you'd like us to conclude you possess from your latest pontifications, you wouldn't have initially harped on about High Toryism and British this and that being key to understanding Ontario when - as but two contraindications - the province is home to a good portion of the largest Ukrainian population outside of Ukraine itself and Toronto, its Capital, has the third highest Jewish population of any city worldwide.

Maybe some day you'll explain the basis for the thinly disguised hatred for Canadians you've exhibited over many threads but, until then, it's merely laughable coming from a denizen of the Sweden of the Southern Hemisphere.

[NZerFromHK]

If you read a lot about who's who in power in Ontario, notice what the Premiers' last names were like? Umm, let's see...MacDonald, Whitney, Hardy, Ferguson, Conant, Drew, Frost, Davis, Miller, Harris. They are Ukrainian names. Yeah right.

And BTW, as your election last year shows, Canada has 61% of people supporting the Left, while this country is bitterly divided at 49-50% in September's election with almost identical conditions. Enough said about it - at least we aren't even as bad as you when it comes to leftism (though it is still far too left-wing relatively to Australia).

[NorthOf45]

... or welfare-dependent Maritimes people.

Yup, 'cause we're ALL on welfare here in the Maritimes ... which, BTW, does not include Newfoundland. If you include "the rock", then we are collectively referred to as the Atlantic Provinces. You may be familiar with Canada, but you don't know as much as you try to convey.