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Rioting spills across France; U.S. Embassy warns travelers
Seattle Times ^ | Saturday, November 5, 2005 | Molly Moore

Posted on 11/05/2005 7:29:48 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi

SEVRAN, France — By dusk Friday, the streets of Sevran were deserted. Inside high-rise apartments and stone cottages here on the outskirts of Paris, residents waited for the explosions and sirens to begin.

"Last night I thought I was in Baghdad, not somewhere in France," said Nabila Chaibi, a 22-year-old sales clerk, her angular face swathed in a white head scarf. Her eyes displayed the fatigue of a sleepless night.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: across; embassy; france; frenchmuslims; insurgency; intifada; jihad; parisriots; quagmire; rioting; spills; surrender; terrorism; travelers; uprising; us; usembassy; warns
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1 posted on 11/05/2005 7:29:49 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
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To: cougar_mccxxi

Could this be the result of a "tolerant multicultural society" that many are promoting here in the USA?


2 posted on 11/05/2005 7:32:36 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
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To: cougar_mccxxi

Let it burn!


3 posted on 11/05/2005 7:34:00 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: cougar_mccxxi

I wonder what the odds are of this spreading to other European countries?


4 posted on 11/05/2005 7:34:07 AM PST by DogBarkTree
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To: DogBarkTree

100%, considering it's already underway in Denmark.


5 posted on 11/05/2005 7:34:50 AM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: cougar_mccxxi

"A car burns in Pierrefitte, north of Paris, early today on the ninth day of French unrest. Youths in largely immigrant areas began rampaging after two teens died while hiding from police."

6 posted on 11/05/2005 7:36:05 AM PST by Rebelbase (Food stamps, section-8, State paid Child support, etc. pay more than the min. wage.)
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To: DogBarkTree
MSM Blackout on Intifada in Denmark
7 posted on 11/05/2005 7:36:15 AM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: cougar_mccxxi

Didn't the barbarian turks do this previously? Didn't the Normans/Saxons run them out all the way back to Africa/MidEast? Granted some stayed behind and built a life.
Is history repeating itself?


8 posted on 11/05/2005 7:36:22 AM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors, don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: DogBarkTree
I wonder what the odds are of this spreading to other European countries?

Given France's response, it's almost guaranteed. I wish we'd go and dig up all our graves at Normandy and bring them back to the US. I hate that within about fifteen years the Muslims will use their head stones as paving blocks.

9 posted on 11/05/2005 7:37:11 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: cougar_mccxxi

Couldn't happen to a nicer country!


10 posted on 11/05/2005 7:37:20 AM PST by Vasilli22 (http://www.richardfest.blogspot.com/)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
"The attacks have underscored anger and frustration among immigrants and their French-born children who inhabit the country's largest and poorest slum areas.

Yes, with all the illegals in THIS Country how long before we see the same thing happening??

11 posted on 11/05/2005 7:37:38 AM PST by stopem
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To: cougar_mccxxi
From your linked article: "Some politicians and police unions have urged the government to declare a state of emergency or impose curfews on the communities that have been hit hardest."

How will this be enforced? The police are scared to death to go into these areas and have been attacked routinely over the years. Better to call a police strike. Strike as in "work stoppage"

12 posted on 11/05/2005 7:39:24 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: DogBarkTree

"I wonder what the odds are of this spreading to other European countries?"

It never was a matter of 'if'. The FR has been warning the Euro-weenies for years. But it is a strange feeling to see it happen.


13 posted on 11/05/2005 7:40:39 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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To: stopem

"...all the illegals in THIS Country how long before we see the same thing..."

I've had this same thought - even before this situation in France.


14 posted on 11/05/2005 7:41:15 AM PST by ImpotentRage
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To: cougar_mccxxi

There are some people who go crazy at night in France.


15 posted on 11/05/2005 7:42:26 AM PST by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: Rebelbase
Recent headlines:

Paris burns as riots heat up

Paris suburbs riots spark copycat unrest

Gangs of arsonists strike in France

Paris violence spreads Cars, warehouses, nursery school torched as unrest spreads across France

French gov't meets over riots

200 arrested in ninth night of French riots

Rioting Spreads From Paris Across France

16 posted on 11/05/2005 7:45:06 AM PST by Rebelbase (Food stamps, section-8, State paid Child support, etc. pay more than the min. wage.)
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To: Rebelbase

death by hiding?


17 posted on 11/05/2005 7:45:40 AM PST by wildcatf4f3 (admittedly too unstable for public office)
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To: cougar_mccxxi; All
Is Paris Burning? ( Religion of Peace® Alert )
Click the picture:

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

No, I am not exaggerating. Click the pic, go to "last," and read backwards.
If you are not informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.


Kindly note tagline...



18 posted on 11/05/2005 7:45:49 AM PST by backhoe (The Silence of the Tom's ( Tired Old Media... ))
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Well, the liberals will be pleased that there wont be much gun violence since the legal population has been legislatively disarmed and can only throw marshmallows at the rioters.


19 posted on 11/05/2005 7:46:15 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Use the military.


20 posted on 11/05/2005 7:49:17 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Rebelbase

I suspect that most cars made in France are proned to spontaneously combust.


21 posted on 11/05/2005 7:52:39 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: cougar_mccxxi
"Last night I thought I was in Baghdad, not somewhere in France,"

I'm guessing Baghdad was a lot more peaceful.

22 posted on 11/05/2005 7:52:49 AM PST by ghost of nixon
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Having been reading FR for a while now, i can only say you are right. FR was right about us Europeans weenies.
We are experiencing an intifad to a larger scale than the media is reporting.
France doing nothing to quell the riots is giving great confort to Muslims in SWEDEN BELGIUM SPAIN,ITALY and so on.

I would for one like to hear, ARIEL SHARON of ISRAEL offering financial support to the French muslims for their INTIFADA.
EuropeIS so keen to support the pALESTINIAN iNTIFADA,i think the least he could do is to reciprocate.
Just to prove, that he is not anti-Arabs as most Europeans describe him.



23 posted on 11/05/2005 7:54:35 AM PST by Kristopher
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To: P-Marlowe

"I suspect that most cars made in France are proned to spontaneously combust."

LOL!


24 posted on 11/05/2005 7:57:34 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
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To: cougar_mccxxi
We have had our own race riots. Remember 1968, 1968: United States erupts in race violence. It is hard to be smug and sanctimonious about what is going on in France, given our own history.
25 posted on 11/05/2005 7:59:10 AM PST by kabar
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To: cougar_mccxxi

The French will appease the muzzies just like they did Hitler

Europe is caving as is Canada, Australia and with the right political leadership the USA....

imo


26 posted on 11/05/2005 8:01:25 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: FBD
Is this *rich* or what?

Never in my life have I ever seen a peoples more deserving of having their Socialist crap *fisted* back up their Socialist anuses.

...*never*. :o)

27 posted on 11/05/2005 8:02:06 AM PST by Landru (A sucker born every minute = ~36,288,800 new suckers every year.)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
Could this be the result of a "tolerant multicultural society" that many are promoting here in the USA?

I think it is. I hope we take notice.

The French economy is a disaster, too, of course, and that is another ingredient for rioting. But there is something else here: the article tells of social discrimination suffered by French-born children of immigrants. What are we to make of that, when the French are painted by our socialist elite (a.k.a. John Kerry supporters) as model government designers?

The Democrat Party liberals have crafted a plantation for Arican-Americans where they can be dis-assimilated, if you will. In Maryland, African-American Lt. Governor Michael Steele is painted as the enemy of black people because he encourages self-improvement, not dependence on government. The black Democrat opposition has all but called him a "nigger" for not being "black enough", even posting for a short time on the Democrat Party website a link to a picture of Steele photoshopped as a minstrel singer! In many other locales, in predominantly black high schools, achievement is branded as being "too white", demonstrating that, as pointed out in Wall Street Journal Opinion Online, blacks have internalized inferiority as a byproduct of expectations of governmental largesse on their behalf as a result of past discrimination.

In city after city here in the U.S., as persons of all races move up the economic ladder through self-discipline and education and move away from central-city Democrat liberal policy failures, Democrats of all races must play the racial card to retain power. It is a parallel universe in which problems cannot be addressed because without knowing the truth, solutions are applied to politically fabricated problems. The real problems, unaddressed, never go away. The result is institutionalized racism, something that is illegal. But since it is embraced and elected by its victims, those charged with opposing it do not since they are supported by it!

It only menas one thing: coming soon to a street near you: the French phenomenon.

28 posted on 11/05/2005 8:03:23 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: All
 When they came for the Americans, I did nothing, for I hate America.

When they came for the Brits, I did nothing, because I hate the British and always have.

When they came for the Australians and Balinese, I did nothing, because I cannot find Bali on a map. And aren't the Aussies just Brits in short pants? (see above)

When they came for Kenya and Tanzania, I did nothing, because I have never done anything constructive in Africa and saw no reason to start now.
 
When they came for the Iraqis, I attempted to block action in the Security Council long enough for the Dictator's checks to clear. I am good at appeasing dictators, I was schooled by the best.
 
When they came for the Sudanese, I used the opportunity to join the UN forces and engage in a little sex tourism.
 
Now, they have come for me. Whatever shall I do?
 
-France

29 posted on 11/05/2005 8:03:26 AM PST by timpad (The Wizard Tim, Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade, Finder of Obscurata)
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To: Kristopher

"FR was right about us Europeans weenies."

Not quite on the mark, friend. We know full well there are voices in the wilderness out there in Europe, such as MadIvan. You are not one of 'them'. A Euro-weenie is, as Churchill [another voice in the wilderness] said, someone who feeds others to the crocodiles first. [He didn't use the term, 'Euro-Weenie', however.] You don't sound like one of them to me.

I have no sympathy for them, the majority of voters [and non-voters] in Europe. My sympathy is for you and Europes' young. On other threads, I called on people to pray for people like you and for the children.

And BTW, we are being infested with militant illegal aliens, here in the US. We have weenies of our own, out here, and we fully recognize that.

Sad FRegards....


30 posted on 11/05/2005 8:06:23 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

"The FR has been warning the Euro-weenies for years."

And I've been warning my "liberal" friends and relatives about the dangers of Islamofascism too. Do they listen? Do they believe me? Guess what the answer is.

I wonder what this is doing to the tourism business in France and the price of hotel rooms?

I hope this is a lesson to the Euroweenies, I hope they are finally wiseing up about Islamofascism.

It's going to spread to the rest of Europe. It's the Islamofascists and their vile intolerant "religion" against Western civilization.


31 posted on 11/05/2005 8:06:42 AM PST by garyhope
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To: stopem
"Yes, with all the illegals in THIS Country how long before we see the same thing happening??"

If it starts here, Bush's pandemic bird flu will be viewed as small potatoes. The boiling anger seething against illegals will wreak vengeance upon them.
32 posted on 11/05/2005 8:08:40 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: cougar_mccxxi

The French are requiring every citizen at prepare their white flags for display immediately.


33 posted on 11/05/2005 8:09:42 AM PST by hgro (A)
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To: kabar

"It is hard to be smug and sanctimonious about what is going on in France, given our own history."

But is the FR generating riots in the US? Should we really feel 'guilty-as-thou' with regard to riots?


34 posted on 11/05/2005 8:11:04 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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To: cougar_mccxxi

Urban legend, there are well over 20 million firearms in the hands of private French citizens.


35 posted on 11/05/2005 8:11:37 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: hgro

GW Bush should offer Chirac aid. He should mail him a white flag.


36 posted on 11/05/2005 8:11:54 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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To: Kristopher

Good points, love the one about Israel offering assistance to the rioters, would be great irony.


37 posted on 11/05/2005 8:13:58 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

"Bush's pandemic bird flu will be viewed as small potatoes."

Well, I sensed a lot of fear in Frist's voice when he talked with Hannity about the bird flu. It may come to nothing. Or we may have enough time to prepare. But it's definitely a loose cannon on deck.


38 posted on 11/05/2005 8:14:33 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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To: TheGeezer

The losing way becomes the winning way for life's losers, strange cosmos.


39 posted on 11/05/2005 8:16:53 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
The local media down here in Miami HAS YET TO MENTION THESE RIOTERS ARE MUSLIM. I wonder why...
40 posted on 11/05/2005 8:17:15 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Petronski; cyborg
Are you sure you might not reconsider changing your plans?
41 posted on 11/05/2005 8:18:14 AM PST by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big..." Jerry Fletcher)
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To: stopem
[ Yes, with all the illegals in THIS Country how long before we see the same thing happening?? ]

Exactely or something like it.. political insurgency..

42 posted on 11/05/2005 8:19:48 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

The illegals are about to go off the deck and into a neighborhood near you, burning as they go.


43 posted on 11/05/2005 8:20:01 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
Merzak, of the Muslim cultural group, said he feared the rioting was damaging the image of Muslims generally. The rampaging youths are "harming Islam and themselves," he said. "They don't know their own religion."

Must be an infiltration of Southern Baptists causing all the trouble, I guess.

Seriously, these youth have been taught from infancy to hate the West, by a combination of Communist agitators and Wahabbi Mullahs financed by the Saudis. Are they criminal punks? Sure. But Muhammed teaches that it's OK to burn, kill, and enslave as long as you do it to infidels.

44 posted on 11/05/2005 8:20:20 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: thoughtomator
Thanks for the link. I didnt know about the situation in Denmark. It's funny the Danish newspaper is under attack for publishng cartoons that feature mohamid. REMEMBER depicting images MOhamid is bad bad bad.
45 posted on 11/05/2005 8:21:14 AM PST by DogBarkTree
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To: stopem

Sad but true. But then, America must continue to be taken down a couple more notches for the New American Union region of the New World Order to rise to its full glory.


46 posted on 11/05/2005 8:23:57 AM PST by Whitewasher (Would u like America to be a goat nation in the millennium to come? Keep pushing the "Roadmap" bull!)
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To: DogBarkTree
Unfortunately my entry wasn't printed:


47 posted on 11/05/2005 8:28:21 AM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: kabar
[ We have had our own race riots. Remember 1968, 1968: United States erupts in race violence. It is hard to be smug and sanctimonious about what is going on in France, given our own history. ]

TRUE... many american blacks have the same mentality as a Urpean muslim.. even if they are NOT muslims.. Interesting deduction.. Will think on that...

48 posted on 11/05/2005 8:28:23 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Gun Control Misfires in Europe
Wall Street Journal Europe
April 30, 2002

By John R. Lott, Jr.

European gun laws have everything American gun control proponents advocate. Yet, the three very worst public shootings in the last year all occurred in Europe. Indeed around the world, from Australia to England, countries that have recently strengthened gun control laws with the promise of lowering crime have instead seen violent crime soar.

Sixteen people were killed during last Friday¹s public school shooting in Germany. Compare that to the United States with almost five times as many students, where 32 students and four teachers were killed from any type of gun death at elementary and secondary schools from August 1997 through February 2002, almost five school years. This total includes not only much publicized public school shootings but also gang fights, robberies, accidents. It all corresponds to an annual rate of one student death per five million students and one teacher death per 4.13 million teachers.

In Europe shootings have not been limited to schools, of course. The other two worst public shootings were the killing of 14 regional legislators in Zug, a Swiss canton, last September and the massacre of eight city council members in a Paris suburb last month.

So one must automatically assume that European gun laws are easy. Wrong. Germans who wish to get hold of a hunting rifle must undergo checks that can last a year, while those wanting a gun for sport must be a member of a club and obtain a license from the police. The French must apply for gun permits, which are granted only after an exhaustive background and medical record check and demonstrated need. After all that, permits are only valid for three years.

Even Switzerland¹s once famously liberal laws have become tighter. In 1999 Switzerland¹s federation ended policies in half the cantons where concealed handguns were unregulated and allowed to be carried anywhere. Even in many cantons where regulations had previously existed, they had been only relatively liberal. Swiss federal law now severely limits permits only to those who can demonstrate in advance a need for a weapon to protect themselves or others against a precisely specified danger.

All three killing sprees shared one thing in common: they took place in so-called gun-free ³safe zones.² The attraction of gun-free zone is hardly surprising as guns surely make it easier to kill people, but guns also make it much easier for people to defend themselves. Yet, with ³gun-free zones,² as with many other gun laws, it is law-abiding citizens, not would-be criminals, who obey them. Hence, these laws risk leaving potential victims defenseless.

After a long flirtation with ³safe zones,² many Americans have learned their lesson the hard way. The U.S. has seen a major change from 1985 when just eight states had the most liberal right-to-carry laws--laws that automatically grant permits once applicants pass a criminal background check, pay their fees, and, when required, complete a training class. Today the total is 33 states. Deaths and injuries from multiple-victim public shootings, like the three in Europe, fell on average by 78% in states that passed such laws.

The lesson extends more broadly. Violent crime is becoming a major problem in Europe. While many factors, such as law enforcement, drug gangs, and immigration, affect crime, the lofty promises of gun controllers can no longer be taken seriously.

In 1996, the U.K. banned handguns. Prior to that time, over 54,000 Britons owned such weapons. The ban is so tight that even shooters training for the Olympics were forced to travel to other countries to practice. In the four years since the ban, gun crimes have risen by an astounding 40%. Dave Rogers, vice chairman of London¹s Metropolitan Police Federation, said that the ban made little difference to the number of guns in the hands of criminals. . . . ³The underground supply of guns does not seem to have dried up at all.²

The United Kingdom now leads the United States by a wide margin in robberies and aggravated assaults. Although murder and rape rates are still higher in the United States, the difference is shrinking quickly.

Australia also passed severe gun restrictions in 1996, banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively. In the subsequent four years, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24%, and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%.

Both the U.K. and Australia have been thought to be ideal places for gun control as they are surrounded by water, making gun smuggling relatively difficult. Of course, advocates of gun control look for ways to get around any evidence. Publications such as the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times blame Europe¹s increasing crime problems on a seemingly unstoppable black market that ³has undercut . . . strict gun-control laws.² Let¹s say that¹s the case--even then, these gun laws clearly did not deliver the promised reductions in crime.

It is hard to think of a much more draconian police state than the former Soviet Union, yet despite a ban on guns that dates back to the communist revolution, newly released data suggest that the ³worker¹s paradise² was less than the idyllic picture painted by the regime in yet another respect: murder rates were high. During the entire decade from 1976 to 1985 the Soviet Union¹s homicide rate was between 21% and 41% higher than that of the United States. By 1989, two years before the collapse of the Soviet Union, it had risen to 48% above U.S. rate.

In fact, the countries with by far the highest homicide rates have gun bans.


49 posted on 11/05/2005 8:30:22 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
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To: thoughtomator

LOL. That must be a picture of mohamid during his fat years.


50 posted on 11/05/2005 8:33:10 AM PST by DogBarkTree
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