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Fuel's paradise? Power source that turns physics on its head
The Guardian ^ | Friday November 4, 2005 | Alok Jha, science correspondent

Posted on 11/05/2005 8:12:38 AM PST by nsmart

· Scientist says device disproves quantum theory · Opponents claim idea is result of wrong maths

It seems too good to be true: a new source of near-limitless power that costs virtually nothing, uses tiny amounts of water as its fuel and produces next to no waste. If that does not sound radical enough, how about this: the principle behind the source turns modern physics on its head.

Randell Mills, a Harvard University medic who also studied electrical engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims to have built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have verified the experiments and Dr Mills says that his company, Blacklight Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to bring the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation.

The problem is that according to the rules of quantum mechanics, the physics that governs the behaviour of atoms, the idea is theoretically impossible. "Physicists are quite conservative. It's not easy to convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60 years. I don't think [Mills's] theory should be supported," said Jan Naudts, a theoretical physicist at the University of Antwerp.

What has much of the physics world up in arms is Dr Mills's claim that he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the atoms, with just a single proton circled by one electron. In his "hydrino", the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and the formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge amounts of energy.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crackpot; dontholdyourbreath; energy; huckster; hydrino; hydrogen; hydrogenenergy; newhydrogen; perpetualmotion; quantum; scam
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Cheap, clean energy for the future? Wouldn't that solve a lot of problems? Leave the Middle East to their own devices.
1 posted on 11/05/2005 8:12:39 AM PST by nsmart
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To: nsmart

Tomorrow somebody will claim that the big oil companies are suppressing this wondrous new fuel in order to protect their obscene profits.


2 posted on 11/05/2005 8:16:46 AM PST by T'wit (Bioethicists have the same M.O. as Ted Bundy, except they have graduate degrees and less charm.)
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To: nsmart

Still waiting for that pill that turns a gas tank full of water to gasoline. You know the one I mean. The oil companies bought the patent rights from the inventor and are keeping it off the market.


3 posted on 11/05/2005 8:18:20 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV (Still waiting for the)
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To: nsmart

"And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation."


so now, we are reporting stories that have not happened yet?

and why should we be be skeptical?

it is a little difficult to comment on future events....

i have heard that Hillary is going to be coronated as our next Queen sometime in January, 2008....


4 posted on 11/05/2005 8:22:24 AM PST by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: nsmart

More perpetual-motion-machine nonsense, I predict.

These media fools don't have any scientists on staff or retainer any more, just "science reporters".


5 posted on 11/05/2005 8:23:08 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Eagles Talon IV; T'wit

Skeptical? So am I .. but 'wouldn't it be wonderful'?


6 posted on 11/05/2005 8:23:21 AM PST by nsmart
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To: nsmart
Seeing is believing, as they say.


I must admit the "This is scientific heresy" bit has me a little concerned. Can the inquisition be far behind?



7 posted on 11/05/2005 8:23:45 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: nsmart

http://www.blacklightpower.com/sitemap.shtml


8 posted on 11/05/2005 8:24:14 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: FreedomPoster

No more scientists on staff? Why is that? Do you know?


9 posted on 11/05/2005 8:24:51 AM PST by nsmart
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To: nsmart
"Physicists are quite conservative. It's not easy to convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60 years. ..." It wasn't easy for Galileo to convince the great thinkers of his day that heavy objects fell at the same speed as light objects. In fact, if he hadn't thrown his balls off the Leaning Tower of Pisa, we might still be arguing the point. So my suggestion is, to paraphrase a great line from The Three Stooges: "Can we dispense with the formalities, and make with the fuel?"
10 posted on 11/05/2005 8:25:48 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: FreedomPoster

"More perpetual-motion-machine nonsense, I predict. "

If the power produced is 1,000 times the power input then this would be so simple to measure that it shouldn't be difficult to get hard data on this.


11 posted on 11/05/2005 8:25:59 AM PST by webstersII
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To: kralcmot
"And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation."

so now, we are reporting stories that have not happened yet? and why should we be be skeptical?

You are supposed to join the suckers who have tens of millions in funding offered to the quack. Just in case you missed out on all the dot.bomb IPO's. This has been going around for a while now, and the Guardian has finally gotten into even more breathless Science Fiction.

12 posted on 11/05/2005 8:26:00 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

"The unquestioning acceptance of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory has, in the last 40 years or so, held back progress on the development of alternative theories. ... Blind acceptance of the orthodox position cannot produce the challenges needed to push the theory eventually to its breaking point. And break it will, probably in a way no one can predict to produce a theory no one can imagine."

Jim Baggott, 1992 [1]


13 posted on 11/05/2005 8:27:35 AM PST by nsmart
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To: nsmart

I call Bullsh*t. Especially since the article quotes a Greenpeace "reseacher".


14 posted on 11/05/2005 8:27:54 AM PST by BadAndy (Unnecessarily harsh)
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To: nsmart
· Scientist says device disproves quantum theory · Opponents claim idea is result of wrong maths

I tend to go with the math.

15 posted on 11/05/2005 8:28:45 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not all problems can be solved with a sledge hammer. Sometimes nitroglycerin is required. Or a Nuke)
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To: nsmart

Look here for more comments on thsi:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1515968/posts


16 posted on 11/05/2005 8:28:54 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

One of the posts above said it should be easy to verify. You are probably correct about the math.. but I would still love to see it be true. Wouldn't you?


17 posted on 11/05/2005 8:30:23 AM PST by nsmart
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To: nsmart

Still in the vaporware stage. Please post an update when this product hits the shelves.


18 posted on 11/05/2005 8:31:27 AM PST by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Dang.. sorry for the 'double post'. I did do a search but didn't see it.


19 posted on 11/05/2005 8:34:11 AM PST by nsmart
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To: nsmart
Oh yeah. The best part would be watching the futures price of crude drop to about $3.00 bbl. The next best thing would be watching all the oil rich Arabs mounting their Camels and beginning, no resuming their aimless wandering across the deserts, once again becoming the Nomads they were for all those years before we brought them into the civilized world by developing their resources.
20 posted on 11/05/2005 8:36:30 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV (Still waiting for the)
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To: nsmart
It would certainly be a nice thing to happen -- but it already did: Nuclear Fission.

This smacks of BS -- when chemists and medics start dabbling in quantum physics, hold on to your wallet!

21 posted on 11/05/2005 8:36:54 AM PST by expatpat
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To: nsmart

this just in...the Earth is still flat.


22 posted on 11/05/2005 8:39:29 AM PST by Jalapeno
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To: nsmart
BLACKLIGHT POWER v. ROGAN
23 posted on 11/05/2005 8:41:40 AM PST by Mojave
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To: nsmart

Evolutionists have the same attitude toward their theories, in both cases neither know a whole lot to begin with, Evolutionist dig up dead animals and make wild claims about living ones, Physicists thow atoms and subatomic particles into one another trying to find something uniform in they're behavior.

Doing so is the brave adventurous side of scince.

Drawing premature conclusions is childish, sticking to them and refuting new evidence anti-scientific.


24 posted on 11/05/2005 8:45:34 AM PST by x5452
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To: nsmart

I'm making the statement pretty much entirely based on the nonsense I see reported.

If they do have scientists / engineers around, they are hiring idiots.


25 posted on 11/05/2005 8:45:46 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: nsmart
Does anyone remember cold fusion?
26 posted on 11/05/2005 8:45:53 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
In fact, if he hadn't thrown his balls off the Leaning Tower of Pisa, we might still be arguing the point.

Hey I know Galileo made great sacrifices to advance science - but this one - just WOW!!

27 posted on 11/05/2005 8:48:54 AM PST by frithguild (The CIA launched a covert operation against the President when it sent Wilson to Niger)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Oh yeah. The best part would be watching the futures price of crude drop to about $3.00 bbl.

It wouldn't. Some people are very focused on oil=energy. Of course we use oil for energy but we also use it in so many other ways that even if oil was not used for energy it would not drop to $3.00 a barrel.

Food is packaged in oil, windows are covered in it, it is sprayed on hair, CD's are made of it, computers are made of it, dishes are made of it. If we never used another drop for energy it would still be an oil fueled world.

29 posted on 11/05/2005 8:53:33 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not all problems can be solved with a sledge hammer. Sometimes nitroglycerin is required. Or a Nuke)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

Jeez with a handfull of those and one of those 800 mpg carurettors the oil companies bought up, a guy could drive all year on a tankful....(LOL!)


30 posted on 11/05/2005 8:54:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: nsmart

No biggie. Am enjoying reading the comments on both threads. :-)


31 posted on 11/05/2005 8:54:54 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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Mills has been around for several years now,...

Since 1989, if I'm not mistaken.

32 posted on 11/05/2005 8:57:26 AM PST by Bob
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To: Mojave

That is an interesting law suit, but in ENGLISH -- what does it mean? Do they get to keep their patent? Is the legaleze all about quashing an alternative energy source? waht?


33 posted on 11/05/2005 9:03:12 AM PST by nsmart
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To: Eagles Talon IV

We would still need the oil for plastics, right? What % of oil is actually used for plastics?

Although another process called thermal depolemerization could turn the used plastics back into oil rather than fill our land fills or become medical waste. I know there is a plant in Carthage Missouri turning turkey offal into oil.


35 posted on 11/05/2005 9:06:27 AM PST by nsmart
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To: bobbdobbs

Oh my gawd.. so investors will run like crazy, right? Why would this article be coming out now?


36 posted on 11/05/2005 9:07:35 AM PST by nsmart
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To: Eagles Talon IV

"Still waiting for that pill that turns a gas tank full of water to gasoline."

This is nothing new. These claims have been out in the wild for many years.
I knew an undertaker in Mississippi that was all excited over some guy he had met that had a way to run an engine with nothing but water.
He claimed to have seen a demonstration and was ready to jump in head first. This was about 10 years ago.


38 posted on 11/05/2005 9:13:51 AM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava)
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To: nsmart

I liked the earlier comment that this scientist is probably from Lagos, Nigeria


39 posted on 11/05/2005 9:23:27 AM PST by Mount Athos
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No more scientists on staff? Why is that? Do you know?

They don't need 'em. Journalism consists of paraphrasing press releases, so the hard work's already been done.

40 posted on 11/05/2005 9:33:31 AM PST by Grut
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To: nsmart

I can get you in on this as I represent his company as a broker. Minimum investment is Euro10,000.


41 posted on 11/05/2005 9:36:36 AM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Chicken spit causes flu....... Fox News)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

If you have a (practically) limitless energy source you can make your own oil from carbon and hydrogen.


42 posted on 11/05/2005 9:51:56 AM PST by sumocide
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To: nsmart
***It seems too good to be true: a new source of near-limitless power that costs virtually nothing****

Uh-huh.

And I read about a guy who met a guy that had an uncle who used to work with a person that met a guy whose 3rd cousin once drank with this woman whose ex-husband's niece's boyfriend worked with a guy whose grand-father invented a carburetor that got 200 MPG. Then G.M, Ford and 'big' oil' had him killed by a rogue CIA agent.

Remember that, it was in all the papers.


43 posted on 11/05/2005 9:53:26 AM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
But what % of crude is used for heating/transportation? I would venture it is well over 50%. I believe when an alternative energy source to crude becomes available. the middle east won't be able to give away the crude they will be swimming in. It would be in the best interests of the rest of the world to deprive the animals of the oil money they get from us and turn around and spend on ways to destroy us.

If you like stats, this should be interesting.

http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html
44 posted on 11/05/2005 10:03:03 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV (Still waiting for the)
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To: webstersII

BINGO!

Fortunately for us:

The Wright Brothers did not publish an "article" on flight -- they flew!

Thomas Edison did not publish an "article" on the telephone -- he built one!

etc...


45 posted on 11/05/2005 2:19:54 PM PST by pfony1
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To: pfony1

No doubt, your second point explains why ATT called its research facility the "Bell Labs"...


46 posted on 11/05/2005 2:28:55 PM PST by pfony1
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To: pfony1

No doubt, your second point explains why ATT called its research facility the "Bell Labs"...


47 posted on 11/05/2005 2:29:41 PM PST by pfony1
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To: AlexW
...had a way to run an engine with nothing but water.

So did a couple of fellows named, "Newcomen" and "Watt". Of course there was some little detail about keeping a fire going, and they called it a "steam engine"...

48 posted on 11/05/2005 9:08:36 PM PST by TXnMA (TROP: Satan's most successful earthly venture...)
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And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation

Mills has been selling stock in Blacklight Power for years. He is always "just months away" from success. I'll believe it when I see it.
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49 posted on 11/07/2005 11:19:50 AM PST by mugs99 (If voting could change things it would be illegal.)
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To: mugs99

I've probably been scammed.


50 posted on 11/08/2005 11:09:24 AM PST by nsmart
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