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Paris seeks "hidden hands" in riots ("They think Islam equals bin Laden.")
Reuters ^ | Nov 5th 2005 | Reuters

Posted on 11/05/2005 8:34:14 AM PST by Eurotwit

AULNAY-SOUS-BOIS, France (Reuters) - With every night that France's rundown suburbs burn, officials grow increasingly convinced that drug traffickers and Islamist militants are using frustrated youths to challenge law and order here.

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Many people who watch their cars, shops and schools go up in flames, however, are not buying it. They blame unemployment, racial prejudice and widespread youth boredom for the outbursts.

Finding "hidden hands" behind the unrest seems like trying to catch the rioters as they rampage through the night. Some may get caught, but far more slip away in the darkness.

"Everybody is fed up seeing our town and our district trampled over daily by these organized gangs," declared Gerard Gaudron, conservative mayor of the northeastern Paris suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois after an hour-long march against violence.

If the police don't crack down on these "hooligans," the embattled Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has warned, "who would give the orders? The mafias and the fundamentalists."

Fouzi Guendouz doesn't agree. "I don't think that's the real reason. It was just an excuse for kids to trash things," said Guendouz, 20, a French-born business student of Algerian origin.

"The politicians blame it on Islamists because the French are afraid of this religion. They think Islam equals bin Laden."

"Whoever knows who's behind this should come here and say it openly," shouted a defiant man in a Muslim prayer cap. "The problem is there's nothing for youths to do here."

Ahmed Hamidi, a white-bearded Moroccan electrician long resident in France, had no patience with politicians in Paris, which lies hardly an hour away but seems like another planet.

"All the politicians care about are laws for homosexuals and all those immoral things," he fumed. "They are against headscarves, against beards and against the mosques.

THEORY VERSUS REALITY?

Aulnay-sous-Bois was calm overnight, but there were still many charred cars and delivery vans along the way as the "march against violence" snaked in between the faded housing blocks.

Acrid smoke still rose from the smoldering ruins of a large carpet and floor covering depot set ablaze by arsonists two days ago. Deep in an isolated industrial zone, the depot was clearly the target of arsonists who went out of their way to hit it.

The growing frequency of attacks like this, in contrast to the car and trash hopper blazes set by marauding youths earlier in the unrest, prompted Paris prosecutor Yves Bot to join the officials blaming the rioting on organized gangs.

"This is done in a way that gives every appearance of being coordinated," he told Europe 1 radio. "For the moment, we see there is a movement against official institutions but it does not seem to be taking an ethnic or religious turn."

Another student in Aulnay-sous-Bois, Jeremie Garrigues, 19, doubted this was the case. "If those kids had been organized, they would have done much worse -- they would have used guns and bombs against town hall and the prefecture," he argued.

"Those are all politicians' theories," remarked an Algerian woman named Samia, whose main concern was how frightened her children were by the unrest. "We live here in reality."

NICE CARS AND EXPENSIVE PHONES

It's only on the fringes of the march, out of earshot of the multi-cultural crowd of concerned residents, that anybody tries to reconcile the opposing explanations.

"I'm sure there are drug dealers and Islamic radicals at work," said a middle-aged woman who requested anonymity. "Drugs are everywhere. They've arrested Islamic radicals nearby here."

A social worker who also withheld his name said some rioters seemed linked to the drug trade because they "drive nice cars and use mobile telephones I couldn't afford to buy.

"When the government is determined to fight this underground economy, there's bound to be resistance," he said. "There is no headquarters organizing this, but they seem to be coordinating their activities among themselves by phone."

The charge that Islamist radicals were trying to exploit the unrest was a difficult one for local Muslims to handle, he said, because many were working to prevent unrest and admitting there were radicals in the crowds would discredit their community.

"They can't say that, so they don't say anything," he added.


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1 posted on 11/05/2005 8:34:15 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

This must be costing Billions of Euros in france and across Europe.


2 posted on 11/05/2005 8:36:15 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Eurotwit
--anybody else out here old enough to remember Charles DeGaulle and "Algeria es Francias"--
3 posted on 11/05/2005 8:38:43 AM PST by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: Eurotwit
Al-Reuters at it again. Rather than report it's the Muslims who are causing the trouble, they try to contradict the few French folks who have figured out what the problem really is.
4 posted on 11/05/2005 8:40:07 AM PST by don'tbedenied ( D)
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To: Eurotwit
Ahmed Hamidi, a white-bearded Moroccan electrician long resident in France, had no patience with politicians in Paris, which lies hardly an hour away but seems like another planet.

"All the politicians care about are laws for homosexuals and all those immoral things," he fumed. "They are against headscarves, against beards and against the mosques.

Egad. How un-PC. Where's French-looking John Kerry when you need him to explain the disaffection of multi-cultural French citizen Ahmed Hamidi?

5 posted on 11/05/2005 8:40:38 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Eurotwit
"All the politicians care about are laws for homosexuals and all those immoral things," he fumed. "They are against headscarves, against beards

Homophobic hippies?

6 posted on 11/05/2005 8:40:42 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: don'tbedenied

All that whine and cheese have reduced the collective French IQ.


7 posted on 11/05/2005 8:41:17 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Eurotwit

It wouldn't surprise me if higher ups were organizing this, maybe not Bin Laden but Al Quaeda forces.


8 posted on 11/05/2005 8:42:30 AM PST by x5452
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To: Eurotwit

". . .to challenge law and order here."

Challenge? It appears they have cornered
the bullfighter and are preparing to castrate
him if the bullfighter does not start protecting
his cojones.


9 posted on 11/05/2005 8:42:46 AM PST by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Eurotwit

Well, it could be BOTH, you know. I guess the French are not familiar with the term 'catalyst'.


10 posted on 11/05/2005 8:43:00 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: Eurotwit

Well, in the past the French shown a certain proclivity to bloodbaths as the means of social organization (Commune in 1871, French Revolution, or war in Algeria). Resorting to this expedient now may have a very salutary effects, too.


11 posted on 11/05/2005 8:44:24 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Eurotwit
Interesting article. Other recent news articles have claimed that the riots have nothing to do with Islam. but with the poverty of those areas where the riots take place. However, it is would be surprising if drug traffickers and radical Islamists were not taking advantage of what initially probably was spontaneous riots.

Note also the conflict that will take place when leftist PC culture meets Islamic immigration.
12 posted on 11/05/2005 8:45:14 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Eurotwit
"blame unemployment, racial prejudice and widespread youth boredom for the outbursts"

That's never the cause. France is right to look for the "hidden hands" because things like this are ACTIVELY PROMOTED.

I lived through the LA/Rodney King riots. The organizers actually had LA blocked out in grids where they set every other block aflame. The punks on the street are just the minions.

13 posted on 11/05/2005 8:45:20 AM PST by GVnana
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To: Eurotwit

Yay..

I managed singlehandedly to make "flockofbarbarians" appear on the most popular keyword list...

OK.. I need a life ;-)


14 posted on 11/05/2005 8:45:33 AM PST by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit

At least organized enough to begin the assaults
AFTER sundown. So where do these "kids" go at
dawn? Home to Mom and Pop's digs? Do they
sleep in the parks? Where is their food
coming from?
After THREE days of this, I'd have labeled them
Mad Dogs run amok, hauled out enough police/
military ammo to do some real damage, and let
the "kids" see some REALITY...their friends'
dead bodies.


15 posted on 11/05/2005 8:46:41 AM PST by Grendel9 (uick)
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To: Admin Moderator

Oh,

I see you are deleting it...

I appologize..


16 posted on 11/05/2005 8:48:13 AM PST by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Personally I expect that this may cause a split between leftists in Europe and America. It might give the euroleft a different perspective as they watch thier socialist taxes go up in flames.


17 posted on 11/05/2005 8:48:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Eurotwit
Careful examination of his name proves that Bush is behind these riots

BUSH - RUSH- RUST- MUST- MOST- MOOT- ROOT- RIOT

18 posted on 11/05/2005 8:50:56 AM PST by syriacus (Youthful angst of "Bowling for Columbine" + political passion of "Fahrenheit 9/11" = MOOLIGANs)
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To: don'tbedenied

Reuters = BS

Too stupid to realize their heads will be among the first to roll.

France should "borrow" a couple of MOABs.


19 posted on 11/05/2005 8:52:00 AM PST by auboy (Spoiled brats should not be senators, and senators should not be spoiled brats)
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To: RightWingAtheist
"All the politicians care about are laws for homosexuals and all those immoral things," he fumed.
Do the leftist pro-gay pro-Islamic PC brigades in the west realize that they hang homosexuals in Iran... and might start doing it in France if they catch them in the streets?

What's a PC pro-gay pro-Islamic leftist to do?

20 posted on 11/05/2005 8:55:50 AM PST by samtheman
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