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Science as Kansas sees it
Kansas City Star ^ | 11/6/05 | David Klepper

Posted on 11/06/2005 6:26:17 AM PST by Non-Sequitur

In the beginning, when voters created the Kansas Board of Education to oversee schools, those intelligent designers couldn’t have imagined it would go forth and multiply all this controversy.

The board could close the latest chapter of the evolution debate Tuesday when it is set to vote on science curriculum standards that change the definition of science and cast doubt on the theory of evolution. It’s possible another administrative delay could postpone the vote, but the approval is seen as inevitable.

Inevitable, maybe. Permanent, maybe not. The standards won’t go into effect until the 2007 school year. By then the school board could look dramatically different if moderates are successful in unseating conservatives in the November 2006 elections, both sides say. That could make the new standards moot, and start the whole debate over again. Both sides say the controversy has been too heated, and the implications for science, religion and education too great, for any easy solution.

The board’s conservative majority says it’s merely injecting criticism of what it calls a blindly accepted theory, and allowing students to decide for themselves. And they have their supporters. Polls indicate most Kansans have doubts about evolution and don’t dismiss the idea of teaching alternatives. Other states like Ohio and schools in Georgia and Pennsylvania have joined the debate as well.

“We want students to understand more about evolution, not less,” said John Calvert, leader of the Intelligent Design Network and one of the driving forces behind the changes. Intelligent Design is the belief that aspects of the natural world show signs of design, and not random evolution. “To understand a claim, you should also understand those aspects of the claim that some people think are problematic. That’s all these changes do.”

Moderates disagree and aren’t conceding defeat. They hope to unseat enough conservative board members in November 2006 to retake control of the board in time to change the standards back. They say the revisions to the standards are a step toward creationism and an unacceptable marriage of religion and public education. The changes, they say, jeopardize the state’s efforts to grow the bioscience industry and hurt school children who will one day graduate to an ever globalizing high-tech economy.

“This is distracting us from the goal of making sure every kid is well-educated,” said board member Sue Gamble, a Shawnee moderate. “Regular people are starting to say, ‘Enough is enough. We’ve got to stand up for ourselves.’ ”

In 1999, the board voted to remove most references to evolution, the origin of the universe and the age of the Earth. The next year, voters responded and the board’s majority went to moderates. The standards were changed back.

In politics, however, there’s no such thing as extinction: conservatives regrouped, retaking the majority in 2004.

“The state board used to be a pretty mundane office,” said Kansas State University political science professor Joe Aistrup. “But this is a clash of ideas, and it reverberates up and down, with everything that’s going on with conservatives and moderates. It’s not surprising that it’s become this high-profile, and voters will remember.”

The board’s 10 members serve four-year terms. Every two years, five seats come up for election. Conservative board members John Bacon of Olathe, Connie Morris of St. Francis, Iris Van Meter of Thayer and Ken Willard of Hutchinson all face re-election in November 2006, as does Waugh. Not every incumbent has announced re-election plans, but most are expected to run.

Conservative groups say they’re ready for a fight, and say the evolution issue cuts both ways.

“People will vote their wishes,” Bacon said. “I think the public of Kansas supports what we’re doing.”

Doubts about Darwin

The board routinely reviews curriculum standards for just about every facet of education, kindergarten through high school. The standards are the basis for state assessment tests and serve as a template for local school districts and teachers. Local districts are not required to teach the standards — they just risk lower assessment scores if they choose not to.

When a 27-member committee of scientists and teachers began the process of updating the standards, a vocal minority proposed inserting criticism of evolution. Six members of the Board of Education applauded the changes, and agreed to put most of them into the standards. Now the board is poised to put the amended standards to a final vote.

The changes to the standards incorporate substantial criticism of evolutionary theory, calling into question the theory made famous by Charles Darwin. Supporters say there isn’t proof of the origin and variety of life and the genetic code. The changes also alter the definition of science to allow for non-natural explanations.

Supporters of the changes say they don’t want children indoctrinated with an unproven theory. The board had two weeks of hearings in May to hear testimony from scientists who dispute evolution. Conservative board members said they made their case.

Calling them a farcical publicity stunt, mainstream scientists boycotted the hearings. Nobel Prize winners, scientists and religious leaders signed petitions opposing what they said was a blurring of the lines between science and religion and thinly veiled push for creationism.

Bloggers and national comedians lampooned the hearings as national and international media poured into Topeka. Board members say they received mocking e-mails from around the world. If the ridicule got to them, the conservatives won’t say. But they admit to a certain evolution fatigue.

“I’m extremely anxious to put this behind us,” Morris said. She has been a strong critic of evolution, even calling it “impossible” in a newsletter to supporters.

Other states have seen similar fights to change the way evolution is taught. Education officials in Ohio changed science standards there to cast doubt on evolution. A Georgia school district tried to put stickers on textbooks that read “Evolution is a theory, not a fact.” A judge later ruled the stickers illegal, saying their message promotes Christian fundamentalism. And a legal challenge is now in court in Dover, Pa., where school officials voted to include alternative explanations to evolution.

Morris and her fellow conservatives cite polls that show Kansans have doubts when it comes to evolution. The Kansas City Star conducted a poll last summer and 55 percent said they believe in either creationism or intelligent design — more than double the 26 percent who said they believe evolution to be responsible for the origin of life. But opponents say that’s beside the point: Most Americans say they believe in God, too, but that doesn’t mean he should be taught in public schools.

“I believe in the Biblical account of creation,” Waugh said. “But it has no place in the science class. In a comparative religions class, sure. The best place to teach is at home or at your place of worship.”

Board members say the public is behind them, and that unseating them on Election Day won’t be easy.

“People come up to me and tell me we’re doing the right thing,” Van Meter said. “We wouldn’t do this if Kansans didn’t support it.”

All eyes on Kansas

Evolution turned this little-known governmental entity into a battleground in the state’s clash between conservatives and moderates. And that’s the way it’s likely to stay for a while.

This year, it’s not just the board’s take on evolution that’s stirred controversy. Conservatives also want to make it easier for parents to pull children from sex education classes, and last month they chose Bob Corkins as education commissioner, even though he had no experience teaching or running schools.

All those issues prompted a group of Kansas residents to form the Kansas Alliance for Education, a group with the goal of defeating board conservatives. Alliance leader Don Hineman, a cattle rancher from Dighton, Kan., said the group will work to support candidates and get out the vote.

“There’s a sense of frustration that I think many Kansans share,” he said. “The conservative majority on the board is focused on a narrow agenda, at the expense of their objective, which is improving education for Kansas children.”

He’s not alone. Harry McDonald, an Olathe resident and the leader of Kansas Citizens for Science, has announced his candidacy for the seat now occupied by John Bacon. More candidates are expected.

“We need to take down two to retake the majority,” Gamble said. “I’m focused on four, but that’s an enormous undertaking.”

Calvert, the intelligent design leader, said he knows the evolution debate will factor into the election. No matter what happens at the polls, he said the public is coming around to the notion of challenging one of science’s sacred cows.

“It’s going to happen,” he said. “It’s really what the public wants. Anybody who takes these changes out really needs to be thinking seriously about what they’re doing.”

If conservatives hold on to the majority, Gamble said she expects a legal challenge to the new science standards. If moderates unseat conservatives, the latter will pour its energies into the next election, even if some conservatives admit to being weary of the fray.

Kris Van Meteren is a conservative activist who helped get his mother, Iris Van Meter, on the school board. He’s part of the effort that has kept evolution front and center. He said he hopes it’s not necessary, but his side will keep pushing until evolution comes down from its pedestal in the academic world.

“We’re not in this for one or two elections,” said Van Meteren, who changed his name to reflect his Dutch heritage. “That was clear in ’99 when we lost control of the board. Everybody thought, ‘They’re gone, that’s over.’ But even if we lose another election, we’re not going away.”


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To: Stultis

May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage...


61 posted on 11/06/2005 10:38:13 AM PST by longshadow
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To: Quark2005
These gaping holes in gravitational theory show that the premise behind it is wrong. Intelligent pulling is another equally valid premise. Teach the controversy! < /creationist_logic>

Gravitation: a theory in crisis! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

< /Luddite mode>

62 posted on 11/06/2005 10:40:23 AM PST by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry

I'm going to take your time machine away! It's not for picking up girls.


63 posted on 11/06/2005 10:48:53 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws

Ha! Your so-called Time Theory doesn't have any explanation whatever for picking up girls!


64 posted on 11/06/2005 10:50:22 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: furball4paws
I'm going to take your time machine away! It's not for picking up girls.

According to evolution, everything is about picking up girls.

65 posted on 11/06/2005 10:57:17 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The crucial, salient sentence in the article was:

The changes also alter the definition of science to allow for non-natural explanations.

In other words, the changes allow for "explanations" for which there is no evidence, can be no evidence and THEREFORE can only be taken on faith.

But ID doesn't have anything to do with Creationism, now does it?

But then again, it doesn't have anything to do with science either.

66 posted on 11/06/2005 11:13:26 AM PST by LogicWings
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
This is a pdf file of the plaintiff's closing argument in the Dover trial. It's 21 pages long (double spaced). I can't figure out how to start a thread with only a pdf file, so I'm posting the link here and pinging the whole evo list. If you've been following the trial, it's worth reading:

Closing argument by Eric Rothschild, Esq.

67 posted on 11/06/2005 12:24:51 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: LogicWings
The changes also alter the definition of science to allow for non-natural explanations.

This is funny. If Goddidit, wouldn't that be completely natural?

68 posted on 11/06/2005 12:29:47 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: PatrickHenry
Good post.

I am about a third of the way through. Nice quote:

Many of the witnesses for the defendants did not tell the truth. They did not tell the truth at their depositions, and they have not told the truth in this courtroom. They are not telling the truth when they assert that only Intelligent Design, and not creationism were discussed at the June 2004 board meetings. They are not telling the truth when they place the "2000 years ago" statement at the meeting discussing the pledge rather than the June 14, 2004 meeting discussing the biology textbook. The did not tell the truth in their depositions, or for that matter to the citizens of Dover, about how the donation of the Pandas books came about. (p. 5)


69 posted on 11/06/2005 12:46:46 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Closing argument by Eric Rothschild, Esq.

Thanks, that was worthwhile ping - good overall summary of the plaintiff's points.

The quote of I'm currently reflecting upon: "He [Behe] acknowledges that the more one believes in God, the more persuasive Intelligent Design is."

I hardly think so. The God that ID proposes is one that made a world created with the appearance of naturalistic evolution, except for a few places here and there where apparently God wasn't smart enough to cover His tracks. Personally, I think this is a pretty demeaning view of God as well as being a deplorable way of doing science.

70 posted on 11/06/2005 12:51:08 PM PST by Quark2005 (Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate.)
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To: PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ Ah, we haven't had a thread about the idiocy in Kansas for a few weeks. This is good weekend material. ]

Is scientific materialism merely dialectical materialism.. cross dressed in/as another gender.?..

True, the ID'ers are Agnostic Creationists, maybe.. but is Scientific Materialism Atheist Evolutionism couched in great swelling words.. as it seems so to me..
< /honest reply >

71 posted on 11/06/2005 1:07:33 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Speaking of a straw man, please provide an example of someone who was merely questioning the ToE being called a liar.

How do you make a lying troll go away?

72 posted on 11/06/2005 1:23:31 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: RightWhale
This is funny. If Goddidit, wouldn't that be completely natural?

Yes, and therefore utterly undetectable as being from a "non-natural" source as its explanation.

73 posted on 11/06/2005 1:26:50 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: PatrickHenry
If you've been following the trial, it's worth reading:

A crushing condemnation of the fraudulence and arrogance of the Dover Board, as well as the intellectual vacuuity of ID.

Utterly Devastating.

Many quotes I wish I could lift from it to share.... but it's a pdf...

74 posted on 11/06/2005 1:40:01 PM PST by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry

I seem to remember a few threads ago, you had great disdain for sex.

What's changed your mind, hhhmmmmmm?

Has the comely edweena turned your head from the straight and narrow?

Perhaps you should just give me your keys, young man :-)


75 posted on 11/06/2005 1:40:44 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: PatrickHenry
From the Document:

As William Dembski stated in “What Every Theologian Should Know About Creationism, Evolution and Design,” unless the ground rules of science are changed to allow the supernatural, Intelligent Design has “no chance Hades.(sic) In this courtroom, Steve Fuller confirmed that changing the ground rules of science is Intelligent Design’s fundamental project.

Change the rules of science to include that which, by definition, there cannot be any evidence for. In other words, destroy science in favor of religion.

Welcome to the Dark Ages II.

76 posted on 11/06/2005 1:41:14 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: Gumlegs
Actually, it was just weena. I don't know who this Ed is. But in either case PH better watch his step.

A lot of people are upset with his unexcused absences and misuse of power via urinals. A threesome could well get him defrocked.
77 posted on 11/06/2005 1:52:49 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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mPaLrAkCeEr


78 posted on 11/06/2005 1:57:08 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: furball4paws
PH better watch his step.

As long as the Grand Master smiles upon me, my position is secure.

79 posted on 11/06/2005 2:09:22 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: PatrickHenry
What a summation! That one ripped some new excretory orfices.
80 posted on 11/06/2005 2:09:34 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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