PARIS RIOTS (AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND)

E-MAIL | 11/5/2005 | ANNONYMOUS

[SweetCaroline]

BTTT

[ckilmer]

I don't see how the rioters in USA have anything to do with the lawlessness of the North Africans in Europe.

What am I missing?
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Bush's insistance on Turkey becoming a part of the EU is part of a quid pro quo by which Turkey would be incorporated into a greater EU and and Mexico would be incorporated into a greater north american superstate.

When the europeans recently sounded like they wouldn't let turkey in--bush called their foot dragging catastrophic. Why? the turks don't need europe and the europeans don't need the eu. The reason bush called it catastrophic was because the EU was threatening to welch on the deal made by the internationalists.

The reason bush doesn't halt the invasion coming over the US border is because he has sold out to the internationalists agenda. The Mexicans coming over the border are the frontline troops for a greater north american superstate.

Now understand that the greater north american superstate is only a stepping stone to a New World Superstate and this is only a stepping stone to ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

We are basically being sold into slavery by the people whom we elected and who claim to represent us.

[MEG33]

"And guys like you still think the answer is for American soldiers to prance around the world armed with incantations and bullets that will turn these medieval societies into thriving democratic economic miracles where the emigration urge will subside. Good luck!"

"Prance around the world"..?OUTRAGEOUS! That seems more like what he is doing..Our guys are fighting and dying fighting for our country.

AMERICA... HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE.

[Frank T]

Typical Euro-snob type attitude. From what I ascertain, he's American. But he speaks from the POV of a right wing European. (And in Europe, right wingers are socialist, too.)

The lesson he's trying to impart? What, that the immigrant problem over there is partly the Bush administration's fault? Obviously, they are far from getting a handle on this thing.

"So Tex, your 'Uncle Busy Body' school of foreign policy has still been very much in the ascendancy under your guru president. If he has his way, Vienna will go the way of Paris, London, Amsterdam etc."

Ha! Hope so! The people in those cities are pretty much all anti-American these days, and except for London, for most of the past couple hundred years.

The "Israelification" of Europe is something I look forward to. I sincerly hope that future administrations fully back Turkish entry into the European Union. I hope that millions of poor Turkomans then stream throughout the continent, and undermine it. Perhaps, then, they can all go to hell.

[Poser]

It is an interesting email, but lacks any solutions. His complaint is that the US has an engaged foreign policy, implying that we should be isolationists.

Secondly, he provides no options better than planting some democracies in the middle east. Should we just nuke them now?

Complaining about the current situation is very easy. Offering reasonable and attainable solutions is a completely different matter.

I suggest:

• Close borders to illegals
• Deport all current illegals
• End the practice of giving citizenship to children born of illegals
• Create a realistic guest worker program that only allows foreigners when there are no citizens willing and able to perform the job
• End all government services for illegals including welfare, schooling, drivers licenses, etc. Deport them instead
• Develop domestic sources of oil
• Build new refineries
• Build nuclear power plants creating a system with at least 70% of all electricity generated by nuclear power
• Continue to use a pro-active anti-terrorist policy (military, economic and diplomatic) with governments that pose a threat, including Iran, North Korea and Syria

I am neither a racist nor a Nazi. I do, however believe that citizens of every country deserve the first shot at any opportunity within their own land. Immigration should only be allowed when it benefits the existing citizens of the country.

So... If your country is lousy, change it! Need help? Ask and you might recieve (if it is in our best interest). Otherwise, we're sorry you were born in a rotten place and that your parents didn't do anything about it.

It's time for a little tough love with the rest of the world.

[Frank T]

"If he's a National Fronter, why doesn't he spit it out."

Looks like you can smell the sh*t through the text, also.

I don't think he's too fond of blacks, either:

"This was only a few years after my old neighborhood in Brooklyn went belly up, and rioting in US cities had become commonplace."

Whatever else you can say about that era, those folks in Brooklyn and Detroit are more American than rock58seg's friend is.

In the '70's, the guy is a commune progressive, and now he's a right wing "populist" supporter? Good lord, it's true that it's a short trip from far left to far right. Too bad guys like him skip over the libertarian part.

[Riverman94610]

A"truism"about another race?No such thing,my friend.There are huge variances among racial groups that makes your truisms,well,UNTRUE.
Example-in my city the vast percentage of murders are committed by Latinos and blacks.Yet 99.9 percent of these groups do not commit murder in my city.So I refuse to label these groups as killers or criminals of any sort.

[rock58seg]

My opinions are fairly well stated from years of posting here. Your opinion of my opinion of his opinion, really doesn't matter.

[Smile-n-Win]

I don't like to see us apologize to foreigners, but we really do owe the Austrians an apology on this one.

If the story is true, then I agree. But I find the story highly suspect. I googled it and nothing came up.

[rock58seg]

I was wondering if someone would pick up on that?

[rock58seg]

I'll cut him some slack. I think there was a bronze star, among other decorations he earned in Viet Nam.

[cgbg]

Googled "diversity officer".

I googled those two words in quotes and got 69,900 hits. You couldn't have read them all that fast! :-)

(Kidding, honest--I have a nasty streak in my humor.)

It is also scary that there are thousands of "diversity officers" running around on the planet. Gag me with a spoon!

(Off to see if I can find a "diversity officer" in the US embassy somewhere in Austria--background music, Schubert's ninth symphony. :-) )

[elfman2]

"His idealism and a desire to help the Iraqis propelled him into Iraq along with the WMD issues. "

I think that’s out of balance. I can’t read Bush’s mind, but as far the Administration goes, helping the Iraqis is a means to the goal of US security rather a primary goal for being there . Saddam’s willingness and potential to WMD enable future 9-11 style attacks is why we’re in Iraq. Helping the Iraqis is just what we have to do to keep a tyrant like him from reappearing.

I agree that Saddam had to be brutal to rule Iraq, but he did not have to invade Iran, Kuwait, employ WMDs or bring genocide on the Marsh Arabs. He didn’t have to spend tens of billions on WMD programs while Iraqi children starved. He didn’t have to give his sons free reign to rape and torture for sport. But getting rid of that was just a bonus, not our primary motivation. Maybe it’s over promoted because getting rid of tyranny plays well politically.

We’re helping the Iraqis to build their freedom because it’s the best long term defense from Islamist terrorism, not because we love Iraqis so much that we’ll sacrifice a few thousand lives for them. Bush may be idealistic to think that a Middle Eastern nation can be this democratic and free, but it has never been tried like this, not with a complete dismantling of civil service and military. We at least have to try. If not now with Iraq, when and with whom?

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: our "dim-wit" President

The European problems started at 12:01PM 20 January, 2001? I didn't know that.

Were the millions of Ottoman Turks from all over the Middle East and Africa lined up and just waiting for a U.S. dim-wit president? I'll do some googling. Fascinating.

Also, I thought modern Turkey was a constitutional republic and secular. I'll be. . . .

[Frank T]

"Oh! I thought he was making a case against illegal immigration, and the allowance of a foreign culture to overwhelm the indigent one. Especially when the indigent one is in every aspect superior."

The solution is simple. Given that the welfare state doesn't work, why not dismantle it before it collapses?

Without the entitlements, many immigrants will be dissuaded from seeking opportunities in places like Austria. Why move to a place without a social safety net?

The real problem is, western Europeans seem to think they can make socialism - and the post-nationalist superstate - work. Perhaps if the state is ethnically homogenous, with a tradition of egalitarianism, and the repression of individuality, it can work for a longer period of time. But that isn't the case in the EU.

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

The idea that France would be able to avoid the ill will of Islamists by not "entangling" itself in the Iraq War, while an appealing conceit, could not be further from the truth.

Yes, we are despised by the Arab "street," but personally, I would rather be loathed and feared, then beloved and looked upon with sneering disdain.

Though, I think that the recent intifada that has erupted in France-and the reaction among Muslim immigrants to its ban on the hejab-is a vivid illustration-as if any were needed-that the French are not any more beloved by the Arab street than the Americans or Brits.

By doing everything in its capacity to block the Coalition's invasion Chirac was merely insuring that the frothing, benighted Muslim hordes were clued in to what the rest of us already were aware of.

Namely, that France is a nation of Petains, which will stop at nothing to avoid confrontation with its enemies.

They saw the French reluctance to take on Saddam, to take on Hezbollah, and realized that they had the whip hand.

[Accygirl]

Yes... Such a nice pro-American guy, moaning and bitching about out dim-witted President while supporting rightwing radicals like LePen and Haider. Didn't Europe already try that solution already??

The issue with Europe and immigration is not that there's too much of it; it's just that the immigrants haven't been assimilated. Europe has always been more class-based, closed society where it's very difficult to move up in the world. In contrast, America has always been welcoming of immigrants and willing to give them chances to succeed, which makes it easier for the immigrant to become assmilated.

[OldFriend]

And therefore blacks riot in Toledo?

[Frank T]

"As far as a split in the neo-cons, I would venture to guess that while most neo-cons are strong on defense and fiscal constraint, there is probably a wide variety of opinion on most other issues. I'm proud to call myself a neo-con, and I enjoy the free exchange of ideas."

Apparently, as far as many are concerned, there was no such things as "war hawks" in the U.S. before the term "neocon" came into favor.

Some people need to read their history books.

If 9/11 didn't happen, the Bush administration would have focused more on confronting communist China and North Korea, two long standing concerns for pro-war Republicans, going back decades.

[CTOCS]

Re: #45

Most cogent post on the thread.